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[Elyiia]

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Leaving the Citadel for last makes sense. With it intact, all the refugees get funneled to one place out of fear (two places if you count "Sanctuary"), making them easy pickings later. With it gone, they scatter to the cosmic winds in a million directions - a great many will die spreading out like this, but even a handful of survivors who know of the Reapers can potentially cause massive complications in future cycles, as proven by Ilos.

This is exactly the same logic that led to the Mass Relays themselves. To quote Legion: "Using another's path blinds you to alternatives."

Except, you know, the Citadel has all the required census data for all known colonies ever to exist. Even in the Terminus systems.

Do they need census data? They can get information about colonies from those they indoctrinate/huskify.

They do, the importance of holding the Citadel is for the census data, other wise they could have just left it after porting in. At least that was the case in ME1.

Again, the citadel is not the olny place to get it. There's also earth, illium, thessia, and Palven. You think this info is not shared to all the races and mutiple copies not exsist?

You realise, of course, that there's a large number of different species in the council races right? The Citadel is the only place where they can get the data of every species at once. How is having the data from Earth going to tell them that the Raloi recently hit spacefaring age?

[Tigerman123]

You know, maybe the reason the reapers didn't take over the citadel from the first is because.....
Bioware wanted to show it to us and have us explore it during the game, isn't that obvious, it has nothing to with the endings

[The Angry One]

Tigerman123 wrote...

You know, maybe the reason the reapers didn't take over the citadel from the first is because.....
Bioware wanted to show it to us and have us explore it during the game, isn't that obvious, it has nothing to with the endings

And if they had the Reapers never capture the Citadel, this could be perfectly justified by saying that the Citadel was too well defended. They could simply close it and laugh at the Reapers.
But did capture it. So it can't.

[SubAstris]

dreman9999 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

The Reapers's strategy and the way they are portrayed in ME3 to a large extent is bad. If I were a Reaper, I wouldn't personally be involved in the fight, rather I would create other things to do the fighting for me (which they do, but not nearly to the extent you would want or expect). I think to see them in the flesh as well continually makes them less like the "gods" and "incomprehensible beings" as they portrayed as in ME1. I guess BW wanted something for people to look at...a big shame

They do that....What are husk? Also, much of their original plan is side tracked. The normal take down organics by surprise, dividing them by system.
It's no incompetence, it's a forced change of strategy.

They do that to an extent, I would have expected the Reapers themselves to use other tactics and not rely on their capital ships

They have no choice. And they mostly use destroiers to attack, not capital ships.

And so it is a bad tactic

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Colancio wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 The thing I'm pointing out is that, we never seethe reapers glass a planet or bombard it to nothing. With the reapers numbers and force they can do it with easy.
Also, the reaper never use germ warfare, which they can easilly do with the history with manipulating flesh. They also shownthat they can do this on Mordin's recuit mission with the omega plague and at that it it was used only to test organics.They can make a new version that can effect all races.
And then they are never seen using warp bomb tech. With the destruction of the mass relay in Arrival, one would think they could take something tha destructive and reifine it....In can be used to destroy planets...

Just a thing I want to point out to people who think we can win convetionally.

I had the same question, and one of our squadmates ingame has the same question too. In priority: earth EDI asks you the same question "why the reapers are so passive and they didnt attack us with full strengh ?"

I'm still thinking of it, and in my opinion it's another plothole

The Mass Effect story has so many plot holes nowadays Bioware should consider releasing a branded sieve... For the lulz. <_<

I think you miss the point that that theyare trying to show that the reaper are not trying to kill us off. That's not a plot whole...It's something stated from ME2.

I still want my branded sieve though, available soon in three colours!

[dreman9999]

Elyiia wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Leaving the Citadel for last makes sense. With it intact, all the refugees get funneled to one place out of fear (two places if you count "Sanctuary"), making them easy pickings later. With it gone, they scatter to the cosmic winds in a million directions - a great many will die spreading out like this, but even a handful of survivors who know of the Reapers can potentially cause massive complications in future cycles, as proven by Ilos.

This is exactly the same logic that led to the Mass Relays themselves. To quote Legion: "Using another's path blinds you to alternatives."

Except, you know, the Citadel has all the required census data for all known colonies ever to exist. Even in the Terminus systems.

Do they need census data? They can get information about colonies from those they indoctrinate/huskify.

They do, the importance of holding the Citadel is for the census data, other wise they could have just left it after porting in. At least that was the case in ME1.

Again, the citadel is not the olny place to get it. There's also earth, illium, thessia, and Palven. You think this info is not shared to all the races and mutiple copies not exsist?

You realise, of course, that there's a large number of different species in the council races right? The Citadel is the only place where they can get the data of every species at once. How is having the data from Earth going to tell them that the Raloi recently hit spacefaring age?

Let we ask you this...If you need to get a map of the US....Do you have to invade and take over the natianal libary to do it?
You not getting that the record is public and not tied to the citadel only. It used for transport, trade, recourse finding and so on. This data is used daily by everyone. No one need to go directly to the citadel to get it because every one has it and uses it. hat how galactic trade is possible.
So ...Earth, palvin, Thesia, Illium and many other places has this info. The reapers don't need to invade the citadel to get it. I don't need to invade the un nations to get a map of Germany.

[PsyrenY]

The Angry One wrote...

It missed one planet in billions of years, therefore throw it all away?

Since when does "leave it for later" = "throw it all away?"
Clearly attacking it was an option, they just had no reason to prioritize it above the homeworlds.

The Angry One wrote...
To. Shut. Down. The. Relay. Network.

If they could have used it that way they would have.

The Angry One wrote...
They can't flush their systems?

See below.

The Angry One wrote...

I was being simplistic to get the point across. But since you have to argue every single minor point.
You are saying that the Reapers are thee worst, most incompetent admins of all time who can't write antivirus programs for their own systems, can't flush them, repair them or, yes, format and start again. Write a new OS from scratch if need be. They are billion year old gestalt intelligences, not IT interns.

You're being OVERLY simplistic. What makes you think formatting/flushing etc. the system would leave the "control the relays" function intact? Or even if that were possible, that they'd be able to reinstall a galactic system before the Crucible arrived? Or even if all THAT were possible, that doing so would leave their AI leader unharmed?

There's a thousand different ways to handwave this.

[dreman9999]

SubAstris wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

The Reapers's strategy and the way they are portrayed in ME3 to a large extent is bad. If I were a Reaper, I wouldn't personally be involved in the fight, rather I would create other things to do the fighting for me (which they do, but not nearly to the extent you would want or expect). I think to see them in the flesh as well continually makes them less like the "gods" and "incomprehensible beings" as they portrayed as in ME1. I guess BW wanted something for people to look at...a big shame

They do that....What are husk? Also, much of their original plan is side tracked. The normal take down organics by surprise, dividing them by system.
It's no incompetence, it's a forced change of strategy.

They do that to an extent, I would have expected the Reapers themselves to use other tactics and not rely on their capital ships

They have no choice. And they mostly use destroiers to attack, not capital ships.

And so it is a bad tactic

Not really. How many capital ships do you see killed off in ME3? It would only be a bad tactic is it's key to them losing. It's not. Their arrogance is key to them losing.

Modifié par dreman9999, 07 mai 2012 - 03:09 .

[Catastrophy]

jijeebo wrote...

We probably could win conventionally because ME3 shows the reapers to be complete morons.

- They're meant to be creating a human reaper but the first thing they do is land on earth and start vaporising everyone... Completely ignoring their seeker swarm technology that would've worked 10000000% more efficiently AND left them bodies to mulch.

Mordin developed a counter in ME2.

- They can't even hit Shepard with a beam from seriously close range

Showdown on Rannoch? That showed their "progressive targetting reaper code". Don't install on you favourite Geth platform.

- Harbinger flies away rather than ensuring that nobody reaches the one thing that can destroy all the reapers.

Hybris

- Why did they leave the beam up so poorly protected in the first place, considering it's literally their achilles heel?

Good point, I asked that myself. One of the weak points of storytelling I suppose. Maybe they thought it safe. So much for risk analysis.

- Why didn't they create more powerful human reaper troops for their big battle (Abominations, Scions or Praetorians, anyone?), rather than husks that can't do ****?

Reavers, Brutes, Banshees are better?

- They are controlled by a space child

Who liberally even states that "he" can't change the cycle thing by "him"self. They can't rewrite themselves. Bad code remains bad code, no learning.

- They couldn't think of a plan B to shut off the relays, despite them being made with their own technology

ME3 Reapers = DERP

I agree mostly. I find them idiotic because they keep repeating their silly cycle over and over instead of developping a more advanced solution. Time to get rid of them for good.

[Elyiia]

dreman9999 wrote...

Let we ask you this...If you need to get a map of the US....Do you have to invade and take over the natianal libary to do it?
You not getting that the record is public and not tied to the citadel only. It used for transport, trade, recourse finding and so on. This data is used daily by everyone. No one need to go directly to the citadel to get it because every one has it and uses it. hat how galactic trade is possible.
So ...Earth, palvin, Thesia, Illium and many other places has this info. The reapers don't need to invade the citadel to get it. I don't need to invade the un nations to get a map of Germany.

The data each species has is specific to their own species. The census data for Earth won't have mention of the Raloi because it's unnecessary and redundant. And you're assuming this is public data, that's not all the Reapers will want to access. They also need to access the classified data, else you're going to end up with the conduit happening every cycle.

If I wanted census data for Australia, I can't get it from the US. I have to get it from Australia.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Leaving the Citadel for last makes sense. With it intact, all the refugees get funneled to one place out of fear (two places if you count "Sanctuary"), making them easy pickings later. With it gone, they scatter to the cosmic winds in a million directions - a great many will die spreading out like this, but even a handful of survivors who know of the Reapers can potentially cause massive complications in future cycles, as proven by Ilos.

This is exactly the same logic that led to the Mass Relays themselves. To quote Legion: "Using another's path blinds you to alternatives."

Except, you know, the Citadel has all the required census data for all known colonies ever to exist. Even in the Terminus systems.

Do they need census data? They can get information about colonies from those they indoctrinate/huskify.

They do, the importance of holding the Citadel is for the census data, other wise they could have just left it after porting in. At least that was the case in ME1.

Again, the citadel is not the olny place to get it. There's also earth, illium, thessia, and Palven. You think this info is not shared to all the races and mutiple copies not exsist?

You realise, of course, that there's a large number of different species in the council races right? The Citadel is the only place where they can get the data of every species at once. How is having the data from Earth going to tell them that the Raloi recently hit spacefaring age?

Let we ask you this...If you need to get a map of the US....Do you have to invade and take over the natianal libary to do it?
You not getting that the record is public and not tied to the citadel only. It used for transport, trade, recourse finding and so on. This data is used daily by everyone. No one need to go directly to the citadel to get it because every one has it and uses it. hat how galactic trade is possible.
So ...Earth, palvin, Thesia, Illium and many other places has this info. The reapers don't need to invade the citadel to get it. I don't need to invade the un nations to get a map of Germany.

So I could just type Census into google and get EVERYONES name, address, DoB ect from all over the world?

Pretty sure you'd have to do something illegal to get your hands on everones personal information.

[The Angry One]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Since when does "leave it for later" = "throw it all away?"
Clearly attacking it was an option, they just had no reason to prioritize it above the homeworlds.

Yes, they do. It's the heart of their billion year old strategy.

If they could have used it that way they would have.

They could have. They have before. They don't now due to bad writing.

You're being OVERLY simplistic. What makes you think formatting/flushing etc. the system would leave the "control the relays" function intact? Or even if that were possible, that they'd be able to reinstall a galactic system before the Crucible arrived? Or even if all THAT were possible, that doing so would leave their AI leader unharmed?

THEY DESIGNED AND BUILT THE SYSTEM TO DO THAT. Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that they can't do it again?
You are again assuming that the Reapers are all morons.

Also, the Catalyst is not part of this system. If it was, why didn't it open the relay or shut down the relays itself?

There's a thousand different ways to handwave this.

And not a single one of them were used by Mac Walters. Again, I'm amused at how people like you will do his work for him.
No wonder he wrote "Lots of speculation from everyone." He EXPECTED this. Congratulations.

[Daedalus1773]

lol @ arguing w/ the OP who spins opinionated conjecture into his own set of hard facts, and then throws more wild speculation in to fill the cracks.

Nobody knows if the Reapers could have been beaten conventionally, because nobody tried with a concentrated effort. Nor did we ever see what Reaper weapons could do against actual Reapers, because the writers & artists at BW were too fraking lazy to include them in ME3 beyond a Codex entry stating that nearly all Alliance & Turian military assets were now equipped with them. But ... didn't use them in a single combat cinematic. Ooookay.

Reading this thread is like watching secular humanists trying to debate religion with a Jesus freak. We'll simply never know the answer to this debate, because it wasn't the game BioWare gave us.

Modifié par Daedalus1773, 07 mai 2012 - 03:19 .

[Daedalus1773]

The Angry One wrote...


THEY DESIGNED AND BUILT THE SYSTEM TO DO THAT. Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that they can't do it again?
You are again assuming that the Reapers are all morons.

Also, the Catalyst is not part of this system. If it was, why didn't it open the relay or shut down the relays itself?

There's a thousand different ways to handwave this.

And not a single one of them were used by Mac Walters. Again, I'm amused at how people like you will do his work for him.
No wonder he wrote "Lots of speculation from everyone." He EXPECTED this. Congratulations.

Winning.

[Drake-Shepard]

To appreciate the plotholes...you need to appreciate what does make sense first

In terms of Earth, TIM and EDI mention the reapers could wipe us out very easily if they want to. It is implied that it is because they need to make a human reaper so blasting everyone would be counter productive. This is consistent to what we learn in ME2 (terminator reaper) and character dialogue reminds us of this. Which is good. This may also be remnants of the dark energy theory where the reapers are desperate to make a human reaper to help save the galaxy

...but Palevan, citadel?

The problems start when Palevan holds out for the entire length of ME3..or atleast until near the end. Key aspects that would confirm if this is possible or not are with-held from us (in the dialogue atleast...i didn't read every single codex entry)..... Therefore you have to use your imagination to bend the information to fill in the blanks so it makes sense. It is very annoying because you didn't need to do this in previous games.

What proportion of reapers are attacking Palevan? In previous cycles it was a walkover because the relays were disabled and the full reaper fleet can attack each isolated system. This is different as the reapers are now attacking the largest fleet in the galaxy+krogan ground support , but with what proportion of their full reaper armada and over what length of time? But they don't want to make a Turian reaper...so are they taking so long to make ground troops? why not kill them quick time and forgo making brutes and marauders. You still have husks, cannibals and banshees.

why did they wait till the end to attack the citadel.? would they suffer heavy casualties when the citadel arms close and they try to re-open them while under fire? was the asari fleet guarding the citadel before and then left to Thessia near the end of the game and a few reapers thought...well we can do this with 0 losses now so lets do it now.

Did the reapers weigh the effectiveness of surprise attacking the threat which is Earth and Palevan against capturing the citadel first incurring losses there, ruining the surprise but gaining the ability to shut of relays.

Every question does not need to be answered but so many unnecessary holes/blanks build up and = 0 narrative coherence. And then you realise it wasn't thought through. It is a shame because no matter what happened in ME1 and 2 the story up to the earth battle could still make sense....wait too many reapers to make Palevans resistance seem possible...just change the numbers and then tell us through dialogue...it's not confirmed how many there are in previous games...sovereign too powerful? just rewrite ME3 so there are less dreadnoughts and more destroyer/cruisers. They did do this to an extent....but show a destroyer blow up or something...until the last battle the only reaper I saw destroyed in ME3 was the ones that shepard killed by himself.



From 23rd minute in goes in narrative coherence which is the biggest problem . guy nailed it

rant over

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Since when does "leave it for later" = "throw it all away?"
Clearly attacking it was an option, they just had no reason to prioritize it above the homeworlds.

Yes, they do. It's the heart of their billion year old strategy.

If they could have used it that way they would have.

They could have. They have before. They don't now due to bad writing.

You're being OVERLY simplistic. What makes you think formatting/flushing etc. the system would leave the "control the relays" function intact? Or even if that were possible, that they'd be able to reinstall a galactic system before the Crucible arrived? Or even if all THAT were possible, that doing so would leave their AI leader unharmed?

THEY DESIGNED AND BUILT THE SYSTEM TO DO THAT. Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that they can't do it again?
You are again assuming that the Reapers are all morons.

Also, the Catalyst is not part of this system. If it was, why didn't it open the relay or shut down the relays itself?

There's a thousand different ways to handwave this.

And not a single one of them were used by Mac Walters. Again, I'm amused at how people like you will do his work for him.
No wonder he wrote "Lots of speculation from everyone." He EXPECTED this. Congratulations.

1. No, they have not. It's tied to the keeper.It never shown tat the reapers have ever over ride this.
2.Then never where about to undo the keeper control....That was shwn in ME1.
3.Again, never got the chance ot undo the keepers controls.

[The Angry One]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. No, they have not. It's tied to the keeper.It never shown tat the reapers have ever over ride this.

3 guesses as to who made the Keepers what they are and your first two don't count.

2.Then never where about to undo the keeper control....That was shwn in ME1.
3.Again, never got the chance ot undo the keepers controls.

The Keepers obey the Citadel. If the Reapers control the Citadel the Keepers will obey them. End of story.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Leaving the Citadel for last makes sense. With it intact, all the refugees get funneled to one place out of fear (two places if you count "Sanctuary"), making them easy pickings later. With it gone, they scatter to the cosmic winds in a million directions - a great many will die spreading out like this, but even a handful of survivors who know of the Reapers can potentially cause massive complications in future cycles, as proven by Ilos.

This is exactly the same logic that led to the Mass Relays themselves. To quote Legion: "Using another's path blinds you to alternatives."

Except, you know, the Citadel has all the required census data for all known colonies ever to exist. Even in the Terminus systems.

Do they need census data? They can get information about colonies from those they indoctrinate/huskify.

They do, the importance of holding the Citadel is for the census data, other wise they could have just left it after porting in. At least that was the case in ME1.

Again, the citadel is not the olny place to get it. There's also earth, illium, thessia, and Palven. You think this info is not shared to all the races and mutiple copies not exsist?

You realise, of course, that there's a large number of different species in the council races right? The Citadel is the only place where they can get the data of every species at once. How is having the data from Earth going to tell them that the Raloi recently hit spacefaring age?

Let we ask you this...If you need to get a map of the US....Do you have to invade and take over the natianal libary to do it?
You not getting that the record is public and not tied to the citadel only. It used for transport, trade, recourse finding and so on. This data is used daily by everyone. No one need to go directly to the citadel to get it because every one has it and uses it. hat how galactic trade is possible.
So ...Earth, palvin, Thesia, Illium and many other places has this info. The reapers don't need to invade the citadel to get it. I don't need to invade the un nations to get a map of Germany.

So I could just type Census into google and get EVERYONES name, address, DoB ect from all over the world?

Pretty sure you'd have to do something illegal to get your hands on everones personal information.

You can do that...It's not tied to personal information but you can do this. But the reapers don't need every address in every world. They just need the loaction of every colonied planet...That's freely  to given any way like the location of every city and state on our planet.

[PsyrenY]

The Angry One wrote...

Yes, they do. It's the heart of their billion year old strategy.

The strategy you derailed in ME1. They're not following the standard playbook anymore, and any deviations from formula can be easily attributed to that.

The Angry One wrote...
They could have. They have before. They don't now due to bad writing.

Characterize it however you want, it's still justified.

The Angry One wrote...
THEY DESIGNED AND BUILT THE SYSTEM TO DO THAT. Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that they can't do it again?

What exactly did the sabotage do? How does it work? What do they have to do to fix it, and how long will it take? You can't answer those questions, rendering all your judgments unfounded.

It is much easier to break something than to rebuild it.

The Angry One wrote...
You are again assuming that the Reapers are all morons.

They are not gods; they have flaws. Legion tells you this repeatedly.
And given that the Ilos researchers had cracked Relay technology, it's safe to assume that they were pretty close to the Reapers themselves in terms of technological know-how.

The Angry One wrote...
Also, the Catalyst is not part of this system. If it was, why didn't it open the relay or shut down the relays itself?

You're still oversimplifying. Just because the catalyst isn't part of that system doesn't mean they can pursue any means to repair the damage.

Your heart is not part of your digestive system either, but one will still cease to function if a sickness disables the other. And taking the wrong medicine for one can harm the other as well.

The Angry One wrote...
And not a single one of them were used by Mac Walters. Again, I'm amused at how people like you will do his work for him.

Every writer handwaves details. I don't need to be spoon-fed every single thing.
The only plotholes that really bother me are ones with no explanation, but this one has several.
I wouldn't mind if it was explained, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. No, they have not. It's tied to the keeper.It never shown tat the reapers have ever over ride this.

3 guesses as to who made the Keepers what they are and your first two don't count.

2.Then never where about to undo the keeper control....That was shwn in ME1.
3.Again, never got the chance ot undo the keepers controls.

The Keepers obey the Citadel. If the Reapers control the Citadel the Keepers will obey them. End of story.

Man, you need to replay mass effect1. It was stated that it was never the reapers intention that the keepers obey the signal from the citadel only...It was an unseen flaw that came up over time. In any event, It still illustrates that the reaper can't just take over the citadel. The need to get contol of the keepers first to do it.

[Kanaris]

In the Long run Reapers are overconfident they have lived for so long they don't think anyone can beat them and in previous cycles this was true because the races were all scattered, Divided, and the Reapers ALWAYS took the Citadel first and moved out from there.

This Cycle was different they failed to take the Citadel which was always their trump card cut the space fairing races off from the Relays they are easy pickings stuck in their home systems and then they had to eventually face a unified force something the reapers hadn't really had to face not even from the Protheans this threw them off balance some what.

Reapers are really a one trick pony take the citadel and harvest

[PsyrenY]

The Angry One wrote...

3 guesses as to who made the Keepers what they are and your first two don't count.

Did you even play ME1? They were reprogrammed before the game even started.

[KingZayd]

Elyiia wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Leaving the Citadel for last makes sense. With it intact, all the refugees get funneled to one place out of fear (two places if you count "Sanctuary"), making them easy pickings later. With it gone, they scatter to the cosmic winds in a million directions - a great many will die spreading out like this, but even a handful of survivors who know of the Reapers can potentially cause massive complications in future cycles, as proven by Ilos.

This is exactly the same logic that led to the Mass Relays themselves. To quote Legion: "Using another's path blinds you to alternatives."

Except, you know, the Citadel has all the required census data for all known colonies ever to exist. Even in the Terminus systems.

Do they need census data? They can get information about colonies from those they indoctrinate/huskify.

They do, the importance of holding the Citadel is for the census data, other wise they could have just left it after porting in. At least that was the case in ME1.

Again, the citadel is not the olny place to get it. There's also earth, illium, thessia, and Palven. You think this info is not shared to all the races and mutiple copies not exsist?

You realise, of course, that there's a large number of different species in the council races right? The Citadel is the only place where they can get the data of every species at once. How is having the data from Earth going to tell them that the Raloi recently hit spacefaring age?

how about the brains of the people they indoctrinate/huskify? We know of  the Raloi. Why wouldn't other people?

[The Angry One]

Optimystic_X wrote...


The strategy you derailed in ME1. They're not following the standard playbook anymore, and any deviations from formula can be easily attributed to that.

Which they could easily get back on track for  an advantage.

Characterize it however you want, it's still justified.

No. It is not. That you pretend it is, is an insult to Mass Effect's genuine writers.

What exactly did the sabotage do? How does it work? What do they have to do to fix it, and how long will it take? You can't answer those questions, rendering all your judgments unfounded.

It is much easier to break something than to rebuild it.

It is YOUR assumption that the sabotage is irreparable. Not mine. Do not presume to make me justify your speculations.

They are not gods; they have flaws. Legion tells you this repeatedly.
And given that the Ilos researchers had cracked Relay technology, it's safe to assume that they were pretty close to the Reapers themselves in terms of technological know-how.

There's a difference between "flawed" and "completely ignorant of their own technology".

You're still oversimplifying. Just because the catalyst isn't part of that system doesn't mean they can pursue any means to repair the damage.

It means exactly that.

Your heart is not part of your digestive system either, but one will still cease to function if a sickness disables the other. And taking the wrong medicine for one can harm the other as well.

Because as we know, the Citadel is a biological entity and not a machine.

Every writer handwaves details. I don't need to be spoon-fed every single thing.
The only plotholes that really bother me are ones with no explanation, but this one has several.
I wouldn't mind if it was explained, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

Spoon-fed? These are BASIC DETAILS. The FOUNDATION of a plot! You need to answer these questions first or the plot simply doesn't work!
My god!