alot of you deny the IT yet never seem to be able to fill the gaps that IT fills truth is the IT is the only thing that brings any sense to an ending that without indoctricnation has more holes than i care to mention
im open minded i belive in the IT because it seems to have to many clues to be ignored many Look like they were placed there for us to see by bioware
if its not true fine i can go with that but can you explain the holes in the ending in a better more sensical way that the IT does
LETS HEAR IT
NO RESPONSES SUCH AS the exteded cut proves IT incorrect cos it proves nothing of the sort
the list of evidence to support the IT is massive and to deny all of them is silly . oily shadow dreams. sheperd having same eyes has saren and tim following control ending ECT YOU ALL KNOW WHAT im talking about i dont need to list them
For anti IT members please explain the plot holes that IT fills
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:25
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IT does not fill any gaps, it just dismisses them as an elaboration of Shepard.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:26
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TIM's eyes have nothing to do with indoctrination. Read some of the comics.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:28
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Only BW can fill in actual plot holes because it's their story. All we can do is speculate.
Ergo, I'll let you know how the plot holes are filled-in after the EC is released.
Ergo, I'll let you know how the plot holes are filled-in after the EC is released.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:36
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I'm not anti IT, I just think it's fanfic. Very well integrated fanfic. Which is fine, if you're into it.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:37
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Watch all of the people who can't give an actual answer try to dismiss your question by saying something useless and stupid.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:39
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slyguy200 wrote...
Watch all of the people who can't give an actual answer try to dismiss your question by saying something useless and stupid.
Watch the OP say to explain something, then not tell us what to explain.
ohwait
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:44
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Can't even imagine the outrage and cries of injustice that'll ring out across BSN in a couple of months when IT turns out to be nothing more than fanfic.
Should be good fun!
Should be good fun!
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:47
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DoctorEss wrote...
TIM's eyes have nothing to do with indoctrination. Read some of the comics.
what? TIM is pretty much part husk. Saren was upgraded my sovereign..ie. the metal bits on his face.
It's physical indoctrination....like when shepard physically jumps into the synthesis beam
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:48
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Kaelef wrote...
Can't even imagine the outrage and cries of injustice that'll ring out across BSN in a couple of months when IT turns out to be nothing more than fanfic.
Should be good fun!
While I agree that IT is fanfic, I don't think anyone should take enjoyment in IT supporters' disappointment when it turns out to be non-canon. As long as nothing in game, post EC contradicts IT, let them believe it to be true. I just hope they will be just as respectful.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:50
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I can explain it.
The story makes no sense, and the indoc bits are a mix of convenience, mind gymnastics and remnants of an older ending where shepard was supposed to get fully indoctrinated.
For the record...i am hoping for indoc.. but preparing for the worst.
The story makes no sense, and the indoc bits are a mix of convenience, mind gymnastics and remnants of an older ending where shepard was supposed to get fully indoctrinated.
For the record...i am hoping for indoc.. but preparing for the worst.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:52
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There are so many people with ridiculous interpretations of IT that it's impossible to give you a traight answer to your question without knowing what it is you do or do not believe about it.
Until you give such a list (instead of placing all of the work on our shoulders out of what I can only refer to as laziness on your part), there's not much to say other than IT doesn't fill any plotholes ... it simply says "This is explained because it's all a dream". Every. Single. Time.
Until you give such a list (instead of placing all of the work on our shoulders out of what I can only refer to as laziness on your part), there's not much to say other than IT doesn't fill any plotholes ... it simply says "This is explained because it's all a dream". Every. Single. Time.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:57
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SetecAstronomy wrote...
Kaelef wrote...
Can't even imagine the outrage and cries of injustice that'll ring out across BSN in a couple of months when IT turns out to be nothing more than fanfic.
Should be good fun!
While I agree that IT is fanfic, I don't think anyone should take enjoyment in IT supporters' disappointment when it turns out to be non-canon. As long as nothing in game, post EC contradicts IT, let them believe it to be true. I just hope they will be just as respectful.
I know it's cruel, but (some) IT proponents have just been way out of control and ridiculous in their insistence that their way is The One True Way. So, yeah, I'll enjoy watching the fallout from that... because I'm a bad person...
I don't have a problem with it as non-canon fanfic at all (other than I find it personally unsatisfying, but that's a different issue). As has been discussed ad nauseum, it fits in with the canon story quite well, and I'm sure it can be modified if needed to fit in with whatever new information is presented in the EC.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:59
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While I think that IT brings plausible reasoning to many of the plot holes in Mass Effect 3, the simple reason that I deny IT is both in part of how the game actually tells you how Shepard has stopped the reaper threat and also how Bioware responded to the criticisms of the ending. IT, while brilliant in a way of filling the gaps, is too far fetched and, without the intent of insulting anyone, I believe it is but mere imaginings coming from those who merely wished to see a better ending. In any case, even if IT is true, I don't believe an ending that forces a player to play out a dream without any closure to be a good move from Bioware no matter how brilliant their writing team is, especially when it still ends with 3 choices and a cut scene.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 04:02
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The OP asked the people that are against IT to better explain the plot-holes that is fills.EternalAmbiguity wrote...
slyguy200 wrote...
Watch all of the people who can't give an actual answer try to dismiss your question by saying something useless and stupid.
Watch the OP say to explain something, then not tell us what to explain.
ohwait
Sure, IT calls it all a dream, but can you come up with a better explanation?
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 04:02
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Nah, you're not a bad person. I totally get it. It's fun to watch. I'm just amazed people take this stuff so seriously.Kaelef wrote...
SetecAstronomy wrote...
Kaelef wrote...
Can't even imagine the outrage and cries of injustice that'll ring out across BSN in a couple of months when IT turns out to be nothing more than fanfic.
Should be good fun!
While I agree that IT is fanfic, I don't think anyone should take enjoyment in IT supporters' disappointment when it turns out to be non-canon. As long as nothing in game, post EC contradicts IT, let them believe it to be true. I just hope they will be just as respectful.
I know it's cruel, but (some) IT proponents have just been way out of control and ridiculous in their insistence that their way is The One True Way. So, yeah, I'll enjoy watching the fallout from that... because I'm a bad person...
I don't have a problem with it as non-canon fanfic at all (other than I find it personally unsatisfying, but that's a different issue). As has been discussed ad nauseum, it fits in with the canon story quite well, and I'm sure it can be modified if needed to fit in with whatever new information is presented in the EC.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 04:04
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slyguy200 wrote...
The OP asked the people that are against IT to better explain the plot-holes that is fills.
Sure, IT calls it all a dream, but can you come up with a better explanation?
I know. And then he doesn't tell us what plotholes.
And, please, don't use a catch-all phrase like "well, all of them."
Give specific ones.
But I've noticed that people love to make statements like these and then not actually substantiate them with their data or examples.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 04:05
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As Archengeia said:
"A well-designed, well-developed, and well-presented theory that was made by the players."
Personally, I'd love for the IT to be true, but I know that this is not what BioWare intended.
"A well-designed, well-developed, and well-presented theory that was made by the players."
Personally, I'd love for the IT to be true, but I know that this is not what BioWare intended.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 04:06
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Even agreeing on what constitutes a plot hole would take forever...
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 04:06
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DoctorEss wrote...
TIM's eyes have nothing to do with indoctrination. Read some of the comics.
Actually, TIM's eyes do have to do with indoctrination. I mean, exactly. Super slow indoc but indoc for sure. I read all the comics. I'd say more but this is a no spoiler zone!
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 04:12
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Daddy555 wrote...
the list of evidence to support the IT is massive and to deny all of them is silly . oily shadow dreams. sheperd having same eyes has saren and tim following control ending ECT YOU ALL KNOW WHAT im talking about i dont need to list them
Yes, you do.
I have no idea what either the plot holes or the evidence are supposed to be. If you want someone to play, I'll play -- but you've got to give me something to work from.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 04:14
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That's like the old God argument.
"If God didn't exist, who created the universe? You can't tell me, can you? I guess God exists, huh?"
Faulty logic.
There are unexplained plotholes because Bioware created unexplained plotholes. I don't like IT because it renders over an hour of gameplay and choices irrelevant. I don't like it because it would mean BW intentionally released an incomplete game. As unsatisfying as the ending was, I truly believe BW thought it was a decent way to end the series. But I don't see how they could think an incomplete game and an hour or two of pointless gameplay was a good idea. It just reminds me of that Family Guy episode where Stewie uses a simulation to kill Lois and take over the world...only we didn't know it was a simulation for 2 episodes. Brian said it best, it's like a big middle finger to the audience.
"If God didn't exist, who created the universe? You can't tell me, can you? I guess God exists, huh?"
Faulty logic.
There are unexplained plotholes because Bioware created unexplained plotholes. I don't like IT because it renders over an hour of gameplay and choices irrelevant. I don't like it because it would mean BW intentionally released an incomplete game. As unsatisfying as the ending was, I truly believe BW thought it was a decent way to end the series. But I don't see how they could think an incomplete game and an hour or two of pointless gameplay was a good idea. It just reminds me of that Family Guy episode where Stewie uses a simulation to kill Lois and take over the world...only we didn't know it was a simulation for 2 episodes. Brian said it best, it's like a big middle finger to the audience.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 04:14
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EternalAmbiguity wrote...
slyguy200 wrote...
The OP asked the people that are against IT to better explain the plot-holes that is fills.
Sure, IT calls it all a dream, but can you come up with a better explanation?
I know. And then he doesn't tell us what plotholes.
And, please, don't use a catch-all phrase like "well, all of them."
Give specific ones.
But I've noticed that people love to make statements like these and then not actually substantiate them with their data or examples.
Why your squad is on the normandy
Why ME1 ever happened if the catalyst is in control
start there.
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Posté 07 mai 2012 - 04:21
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NO RESPONSES SUCH AS the exteded cut proves IT incorrect cos it proves nothing of the sort
Except it does.
Bioware announced that the extended cut would not change the existing ending. It would just merely expand upon it and 'clarify' it. That makes indoctrination theory as dead in the water as the Titanic, since it requires changes being made to the ending.
Sorry, but the ending you got was the actual ending. It is time to move on beyond the denial stage to acceptance. I don't like the ending either, but at some point you have to accept that the ending is what it is.
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