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[jpraelster93]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

floppypig16 wrote...

Like i said, religion. I don't understand the world so I'm going to believe in an all-powerful force in the sky that can make anything happen to explain away anything I don't understand. Same concept. Are you a religious person by any chance?

Don't bring this into, very very stupid move.

agreed

Because they just wouldnt they are loyal

Modifié par jpraelster93, 07 mai 2012 - 06:13 .

[Mark of the Dragon]

I just think it is funny that most people hate the endings because they say it has gaps and plot holes but the IT theory would mean we had no ending at all therefore it leaves the giant fudging question of WTF happened to the galaxy. At least the real endings give us some kind of conclusion even if it was not the greatest. I honestly believe the IT theory is just something people came up with and the clues people are finding are just from desperation.

I have heard so many stupid arguments for starters and that is why I believe less in the IT theory less now then when it started. People find clues like Shepards eyes were the same as the illusive mans in the control ending but the illusive man had those eyes before he was indoctrinated. Things liek that make me think its only peoples desperation.

[floppypig16]

jpraelster93 wrote...

floppypig16 wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

floppypig16 wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Why your squad is on the normandy

Why ME1 ever happened if the catalyst is in control

start there.

I apologize, I had to leave for a calc class.

1. How is this impossible? The last we saw them:

We were running towards the elevator. Now, please show me if there's a clip of them dying to Harbinger's blast wave, but I've seen no proof of that. Thus:

Harby shoots Shep

People running around, behind him run away. Harby moves away

Shep wakes up, etc.

None of this precludes people that were on the gound from going back to safety and getting on the Normandy.

2. What? ME1 happened because at that time we knew nothing of the Crucible, and the Catalyst still of course wanted to use his solution.


Next?

your squad would never abandon you neither would joker or YOUR LI

Strange. They did at the beginning of ME2 when they thought you died. Just like they did again when they thought  Harby lasered the **** out of you! 

in mass effect 2 YOU DID DIE you were brought back to life

Way to miss the point....

Its not missing the point it was confirmed he died joker saw it happen 

Oh boy, Ok I'm going to try and make this as clear as I possibly can to you. 

Yes, in ME2 Joker watched to get spaced. They all assumed you dead. They, as you like to say, "abaondoned" you. DId they find your body? No. The Shadow Broker did.

In ME3, you get lasered by Harby. They assume (just like they did when you died in ME2) that you're dead. Yes, I know, Garrus and your LI love your ass, but theyre not about go running into Harby's line of fire (where everyone else was decimated btw) just to confirm that you're dead. 

Get it? Your survival from Harby's laser was a miracle. They thought you were dead. They just watched Harby annialate you among other soldiers.. Your squad pulling back does not make the IT theory true, nor is it evidence for the IT theory!

[RyuujinZERO]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Its not missing the point it was confirmed he died joker saw it happen 

What are you smoking xD

How could Joker "see shepard die" from the midst of the battle for Earth 9and/or fleeing to the Charon relay)

[jpraelster93]

it was liara who found the body so she didnt abandon you

[DiebytheSword]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

floppypig16 wrote...

Like i said, religion. I don't understand the world so I'm going to believe in an all-powerful force in the sky that can make anything happen to explain away anything I don't understand. Same concept. Are you a religious person by any chance?

Don't bring this into it, very very stupid move.

Agreed, especially since there are very reasonable religious people and irrationally hateful atheists.

[floppypig16]

jpraelster93 wrote...

it was liara who found the body so she didnt abandon you

you need to go re-play ME2 bud, you're mis-informed. 

[jpraelster93]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Its not missing the point it was confirmed he died joker saw it happen 

What are you smoking xD

How could Joker "see shepard die" from the midst of the battle for Earth 9and/or fleeing to the Charon relay)

Im talking about in 2

[RyuujinZERO]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

He's talking about the beginning of ME2, arguing that Joker saw Shep dies there but yet...arguing that your squad running with you towards the beam didn't see you die...hmm.

Ah, fair enough. it still leaves the question of how Joker managed to get the crew off Earth with both of Normandy's Kodiaks destroyed,  from an area utterly plastered in anti-air defences, flee the battle, reach the charon relay and get halfway into a relay jump in the time it took the crucible to activate

[Kaelef]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Icemix wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Once someone comes up with something better, i will dismiss the IT. But only then.

IT dismisses itself. Time to move along.

i would rather believe the it then believe the ending we got sucked so the it is MY ENDING

Whole lotta religion going on in this thread...   :innocent:

[jpraelster93]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

He's talking about the beginning of ME2, arguing that Joker saw Shep dies there but yet...arguing that your squad running with you towards the beam didn't see you die...hmm.

Ah, fair enough. it still leaves the question of how Joker managed to get the crew off Earth with both of Normandy's Kodiaks destroyed,  from an area utterly plastered in anti-air defences, flee the battle, reach the charon relay and get halfway into a relay jump in the time it took the crucible to activate

So you support the IT?

[RyuujinZERO]

jpraelster93 wrote...

So you support the IT?

Why do you have this strange fixation that anyone who thinks the ending has a plothole automaticlly supports IT...

[floppypig16]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

He's talking about the beginning of ME2, arguing that Joker saw Shep dies there but yet...arguing that your squad running with you towards the beam didn't see you die...hmm.

Ah, fair enough. it still leaves the question of how Joker managed to get the crew off Earth with both of Normandy's Kodiaks destroyed,  from an area utterly plastered in anti-air defences, flee the battle, reach the charon relay and get halfway into a relay jump in the time it took the crucible to activate

Well, let's see if we can figure it out. The crew that weren't already on could have possibly hi-jacked/found a shuttle to get them on. Or, more likley, jump onto the ship off some higher altitude (similar to the prologue when Shep jumps onto the ship). As for the anti-air defences, Joker is th best remember . We don't know how long Shepard was out after Harby's laser, or how long he was out when the beam took him up (if I am rembering correctly that he woke a second time on the Citadel). Then you've got the whole talk with Anderson and Illusive and the walk... and the choice. Enough time I'd say.

Just some ideas. Whether they're true or not, they at least attempt to fill what people call "plot-holes" instead of completely dismiss them because they're unhappy with the ending...

[DiebytheSword]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

One just has to think about these things.

Honestly, that is what the IT folks are doing.  Thinking about it and they are coming to different conclusions than the non-IT crowd.

I personally believe its on to something, but still not on the mark.  That said, I look forward to any clarification the EC can bring.

Sad then that they are being told that they aren't thinking, that they are grasping at straws, when you literally have to do the same to support your own interpretation of the ending just now.

Speculations, speculations everywhere.

Modifié par DiebytheSword, 07 mai 2012 - 06:35 .

[DiebytheSword]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

Honestly, that is what the IT folks are doing.  Thinking about it, they are coming to different conclusions than the non-IT crowd.

I personally believe its on to something, but still not on the mark.  That said, I look forward to any clarification the EC can bring.

Sad then that they are being told that they aren't thinking, that they are grasping at straws, when you literally have to do the same to support your own interpretation of the ending just now.

Speculations, speculations everywhere.

Very true.

I try not to accuse any theory of not thinking or something like that, but I may have succumbed to it too.

No, you've been very good, others not so much.  I chased Hidden King around the forum the other day because he was trolling IT people, rather than debating them constructively.

Similar to Floppypig and Ryujin here, who insist that they cannot be reasoned with, and other less flattering assumptions.

Dehumanization and assumed intellectual superiority are laughable on their face when discussing video games, but the BSN is all too willing to try anyway.

[RyuujinZERO]

floppypig16 wrote...

Just some ideas. Whether they're true or not, they at least attempt to fill what people call "plot-holes" instead of completely dismiss them because they're unhappy with the ending...

Hmm, that is reasonable, a stretch - but we've seen bigger stretches (Remember the original earth pickup where none of the reapers attack the very ship that is known to be captained by Shepard himself )

What abotu when the Normandy drops out of the relay corridor. Even if we overlook that the chances of Normandy dropping out of jump in range of a habitable garden world , and than managing to land with limited flight and motor controls (Joker is as you say "the best") how do they survive dropping out of the relay corridor. the codex is very clear what happens to a ship that goes faster than it's ME field can sustain (The excess energy bleeds off as a mixture of drive core charges and cherenkov radiation. Given relay corridor fly is many magniotudes greater than normal FTl flight, it seems like the ship should be vapourised.

...is the "paradise scene" just a hamfisted "everyone went to heaven"? xD

[floppypig16]

DiebytheSword wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

One just has to think about these things.

Honestly, that is what the IT folks are doing.  Thinking about it and they are coming to different conclusions than the non-IT crowd.

I personally believe its on to something, but still not on the mark.  That said, I look forward to any clarification the EC can bring.

Sad then that they are being told that they aren't thinking, that they are grasping at straws, when you literally have to do the same to support your own interpretation of the ending just now.

Speculations, speculations everywhere.

Yes, but that's what debate and argument is all about. Proving why your theory is more sound than the other. If i told you right now that my intepretation of the Titanic was that it was all about robot zombie ****s, you'd probably tell me I was retararded. And if you wouldn't, well, you really should. 

I'm not saying what the IT theorists believe is as crazy as that - that's an extremely exageratted example - but no, I don't think their theory has any leg to stand on. Like i said, it's not a theory that tries to explain the "plotholes". It's a theory that just dismisses everything as not being real so it has no actual impact on the universe they love. 

[floppypig16]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

floppypig16 wrote...

Just some ideas. Whether they're true or not, they at least attempt to fill what people call "plot-holes" instead of completely dismiss them because they're unhappy with the ending...

Hmm, that is reasonable, a stretch - but we've seen bigger stretches (Remember the original earth pickup where none of the reapers attack the very ship that is known to be captained by Shepard himself )

What abotu when the Normandy drops out of the relay corridor. Even if we overlook that the chances of Normandy dropping out of jump in range of a habitable garden world , and than managing to land with limited flight and motor controls (Joker is as you say "the best") how do they survive dropping out of the relay corridor. the codex is very clear what happens to a ship that goes faster than it's ME field can sustain (The excess energy bleeds off as a mixture of drive core charges and cherenkov radiation. Given relay corridor fly is many magniotudes greater than normal FTl flight, it seems like the ship should be vapourised.

...is the "paradise scene" just a hamfisted "everyone went to heaven"? xD

I get where you're coming from, but really it just comes down to the dramatic impact having priority over logic and lore unfortunately. The final Normandy scene is very weak, I agree, but its there for dramatic purposes more than anything else. They weren't exactly going to have them falling out of the relay with the ship destroyed and everyone dead - I think people would then complain even more. Reminds me of that german movie Das Boot. 

You could then ask why have that scene at all if it betrays all the lore. Beats me. 

However, I do know that the scene being in there for dramatic purposes makes a lot more sense than "oh, it's just Shepard's imagination - it didn't actually happen - Shepard is indoctrinated, the Reapers are actually still reaping".