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thanks guys finally some half decent responses still few issues tho..... the control chip thing is nonsense as anderson was controlled aswell.. also regarding the reaper tech saran was riddled with it GREYSON from the 3rd novel had even more so and neither could directly control i thought the control was mental never a phsical thing ??? the idea of been controlled like a puppet if true is outright stupid .... the lift stilll bothers me as sheperd was on the brink of death one min then next talking to the catalist ... suppose anderson could have got there with the place shifting ...im not arguin to promote IT just looking for clarification myself

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Yeah, you're right. That one and the darkening screen one.

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how come tim never attempted to use the terminal and if he was in DIRECT CONTROL why argue with us why not kill us both and use the crucible

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Daddy555 wrote...

thanks guys finally some half decent responses still few issues tho..... the control chip thing is nonsense as anderson was controlled aswell.. also regarding the reaper tech saran was riddled with it GREYSON from the 3rd novel had even more so and neither could directly control i thought the control was mental never a phsical thing ??? the idea of been controlled like a puppet if true is outright stupid .... the lift stilll bothers me as sheperd was on the brink of death one min then next talking to the catalist ... suppose anderson could have got there with the place shifting ...im not arguin to promote IT just looking for clarification myself


1. The other guy provided adequate explanation for that, but I don't recall TIM controlling Anderson. Just Anderson staggering around.

2. How does the lift bother you? It doesn't magically make you stronger, it just lifts you up. You're still pretty much "on the brink of death" when you're talking to the Catalyst.

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"So TIM was right after all."
"Yes. But he could never have taken control because we already controlled him."

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Daddy555 wrote...

how come tim never attempted to use the terminal and if he was in DIRECT CONTROL why argue with us why not kill us both and use the crucible


Because he wanted Shep to join him. When you assault his base there are video files that have him saying to Kai Leng that he still has hopes for Shepard.

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why has nobody tried to answer my list on page 4. The bigger list with like 5 plot-holes in it.

EDIT: the list is on page 3

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Daddy555 wrote...

thanks guys finally some half decent responses still few issues tho..... the control chip thing is nonsense as anderson was controlled aswell.. also regarding the reaper tech saran was riddled with it GREYSON from the 3rd novel had even more so and neither could directly control i thought the control was mental never a phsical thing ??? the idea of been controlled like a puppet if true is outright stupid .... the lift stilll bothers me as sheperd was on the brink of death one min then next talking to the catalist ... suppose anderson could have got there with the place shifting ...im not arguin to promote IT just looking for clarification myself


No, no, it wasn't just any old Reaper tech. This was like Reaper tech - enhanced by the Illusive Man. 

Basically, Henry Lawson (Miranda's dad) was studying Indoctrination at the Illsive Man's request. They got to the stage where they could manipulate husks into doing what they wanted. Essentially, they could "indoctrinate" others similar to the Reapers methods. Kai Leng then comes in, ****s some **** up, steals this research and goes to the base. Once you hit the base, research logs will show you the Illusive Man getting modified with this new tech (hence, his ****ed up husky appearance at the end). Essentially, Illsive Man gained  a limited/varied version of the Indoctraination ability in which he could physically control others. Obviously it wasn't too effective as you can shoot him down in the end. 

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Daddy555 wrote...

how come tim never attempted to use the terminal and if he was in DIRECT CONTROL why argue with us why not kill us both and use the crucible


What Nyon said. Basically, he could control Shep and co yes, but he was Indoctrinated. He couldn't use the terminal becuase the Reapers didn't want him to use the terminal. 

EDIT: if you use the renegade check dialogue options, Sheapard will actually tell the Illsuive Man that exact thing, he'll say "then kill us and end this" The illusive man says he will but then he starts arguing with himself and deson't do anything.  

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slyguy200 wrote...

why has nobody tried to answer my list on page 4. The bigger list with like 5 plot-holes in it.


Look back a page to page three, I answered it.

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slyguy200 wrote...

why has nobody tried to answer my list on page 4. The bigger list with like 5 plot-holes in it.


Page 4? I can't find it. 

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IT is better than the bull**** ending we gotten.

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some of you have some pretty good posts what doesnt make sense to me is how none of this is explianed on the game ect also the lift bothers me as it comes from nowere is attached to nothin is is activated randomly as you fall what if shpe fell further to the left we might have avoided the catalist ending all together....

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how will you guys react if the IT turns out to be true ??

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Daddy555 wrote...

some of you have some pretty good posts what doesnt make sense to me is how none of this is explianed on the game ect also the lift bothers me as it comes from nowere is attached to nothin is is activated randomly as you fall what if shpe fell further to the left we might have avoided the catalist ending all together....

Yes, the ending sucks. That doesn't mean IT is right.

If IT turns out to be true I would feel cheated because it's a lousy trick to do, making you think you've done something but actually none of it mattered. That said, if the ending didn't really happen, that means another ending is necessary, and that would be a good thing, because we could simply alt+tab while the awful false ending happens and then play the real thing.

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and for the record i would have joined cerberus and tim if given the option he only had to ask

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Daddy555 wrote...

some of you have some pretty good posts what doesnt make sense to me is how none of this is explianed on the game ect also the lift bothers me as it comes from nowere is attached to nothin is is activated randomly as you fall what if shpe fell further to the left we might have avoided the catalist ending all together....


The problem with the ending was exposition, as far as I'm concerned. This stuff isn't too hard to figure out, but they just didn't show it, which was a bad move.

If I'm not mistaken, the lift is directly in front of the terminal, right?

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how will you guys react if the IT turns out to be true ??


I simply can't believe it would ever be true. if it IS true, however, I'll lament what BW did, and move on.

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Daddy555 wrote...

some of you have some pretty good posts what doesnt make sense to me is how none of this is explianed on the game ect also the lift bothers me as it comes from nowere is attached to nothin is is activated randomly as you fall what if shpe fell further to the left we might have avoided the catalist ending all together....

Yes, the ending sucks. That doesn't mean IT is right.


also doesnt mean IT is wrong either

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Daddy555 wrote...

some of you have some pretty good posts what doesnt make sense to me is how none of this is explianed on the game ect also the lift bothers me as it comes from nowere is attached to nothin is is activated randomly as you fall what if shpe fell further to the left we might have avoided the catalist ending all together....


Haha I think you're taking it too literally there. If was there for dramatic effect more than anything else. You have to give them some liberties. 

If you really want an explanation, the lift was right in front of the terminal - it seems like the most convienent place to put it. Guess Shep just got lucky that he landed there :). I mean, he did survive a laser blast for Harby, he's like a regular Tintin :D

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IT doesn't fill anything. It's just a denial of what what BioWare did.

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^ Wow, I think that's the most games under a pic I've seen here. You have them all.

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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Daddy555 wrote...

some of you have some pretty good posts what doesnt make sense to me is how none of this is explianed on the game ect also the lift bothers me as it comes from nowere is attached to nothin is is activated randomly as you fall what if shpe fell further to the left we might have avoided the catalist ending all together....


The problem with the ending was exposition, as far as I'm concerned. This stuff isn't too hard to figure out, but they just didn't show it, which was a bad move.

If I'm not mistaken, the lift is directly in front of the terminal, right?


no sign of the MAGIC lift till it activates serios space magic no attachments to anything nothing supporting it sheperd should have been WTF but he never batted a eyelid

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no sign of the MAGIC lift till it activates serios space magic no attachments to anything nothing supporting it sheperd should have been WTF but he never batted a eyelid


The no attachments thing is a little unrealistic, but I think the writers were going for some way to completely separate off the Catalyst's area.

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Daddy555 wrote...

how will you guys react if the IT turns out to be true ??


It isn't. I'd stake my life on it.

But, assuming it was and Bioware had planned it from the beginning?

I'd laugh and then feel pretty darn stupid. And apologize to everyone on the BSN.