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[Deathstroke123]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I give Mass effect 3 an 8.8/10. Great game. Incomplete ending. I feel all of the harsher scores are the result of nit picking after the fact.

While gaming, I was not seriously affected by any other the major things people complain about. To go back after all is said and done and make a bigger deal out of things than you experianced while playing is unfair. Go pick apart skyrim and see what butchered score its left with.

While gaming the biggest issue I ran across was the random animation glitches where somebodies head would turn a little to far, or an Arm would start doing things arms dont normally do.

I can't begin to pick apart Skyrim, it's just too fun, and the broken parts only make it even more enjoyable. I've played Bethesda games for a long time, you learn to expect certain things.

I picked apart Mass Effect 3 as I played through it, and after I finished, I had even more time to pick it apart. Mass Effect 3 is hardly the game that I thought I was purchasing, and I was already dreading it because of the multiplayer and the scanning system.

Trust me, the Elder Scroll fanbase has already passed their nitpick phase, as this one will too soon. I remember going on the subreddit about a month after launch and every post was about how glitches/the ending/weak companion personalities/everything else under the sun was ruining the game, complete with "Skyrim is a disgrace to Morrowind and Oblivion, 5/10" postings. Sounds familiar, ya?

[LeTtotheC]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

LeTtotheC wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...
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This is nitpicking to the highest degree.

... and yet, my children can't go to school if they have even one nit in their hair.
A single "nit" is important, and "nitpicking" is essential.

It seems you prefer:
BioWare: "So, other than everything you are dissatisfied with, how do you like the game?"
Customer: "... discounting those things? 10/10
BioWare: "There you have it!  Another perfect score!"

First, nitpicking is not essential and I have no idea where that logic even enters your brain. Nitpicking would be essential if perfection was a reachable goal, which it is not.

Second, to drive my point across: Here's my score for ME3 factoring in the journal, Kai Leng, and all the other pointless crap people have been getting up in arms over: A solid 8.5/10.

Here's my score IGNORING those things: A solid 8.5/10.

Do you see what I'm getting at here? Those things did absolutely nothing to hinder my enjoyment of the game. Therefore, they are not worthy of consideration. That is why nitpicking is not essential, because then you make a mountain out of an anthill.

Unless of course that anthill is already a pus spewing mountain of "WTF?".  Plot aside,  I honestly think 8.5 is a tad too high for a game which was obviosuly pushed out before they could iron out all the kinks.  There's camera angle issues, occasional clipping issues, crashes and of course dubbing like it's a 70s Chinese Kung-Fu flick.  Whilst none of them are game breaking, they shouldn't be present to this degree in a game which is supposed be as polished as Mass Effect.  That aside it's a lot more linear than the previous two titles, and the combat lacks can get pretty repatitive after a while.  All in all it comes together to produce a good, but flawed game.  But the ME series has largely been about plot, so you really do need to include that, and that's where ME3 stumbles badly.  

And not just at the end.

From the start I had a raised eyebrow at the Reapers managing to get into Sol without notice, and no real mention of any sort of engagements prior to the invasion of Earth.  It was rushed, a common theme within the game.  The only section of the entire game which felt true to the ME series was curing the Genophage, with other major moments just causing me to go "WTF?" on a regular basis.  Not because I couldn't understand them, but because they were shoe horned in, bastardised or could have been written in a much better fashion.  My conclusion was that Tuchanka had been written ahead of time by the ME2 team, and ported over by the writers of ME3.  Eveything else was ME3's writers attempt at tying together a storyline they had no vision for. 

Though I do not share many of your feelings on the game, at the very least you are justifying your stance on it way better then just saying "blah blah bad journal, Kai Leng, blah blah". The points you bring up are actually substantial, and for that, your opinion deserves respect. I was merely addressing those who seek any little avenue to fault the game.

Any game under the amount of scrutiny mass effect is enduring would have its review score decimated. Go nit pick through skyrim about the dragons flying backwards glitch.

I thought that that little glitch made Dragons more interesting. They tend to be pretty annoying, and that glitch definitely spiced up the encounters.

But, they fixed it.

It's not game breaking, it's amusing and it's Bethsda Studios is renowned for large sand pit games with glitches galore.  That's more due to the sheer amount of coding that has to be combined, sometimes to detrimental effects, but in this case you just get a backwards flying giant lizard.  But those kind of glitches are minor compared to the scale that Bethsda managed to cram into the game as a whole, so such glitches are more forgiveable. 

[Dendio1]

The only noticeable problem I encountered during my initial run through mass effect 3 was the frequent head turning a bit too far and the occasional arm that took a life of its own ( fixed by reloading the cut scene)

Modifié par Dendio1, 08 mai 2012 - 08:07 .

[FatalX7.0]

Deathstroke123 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I give Mass effect 3 an 8.8/10. Great game. Incomplete ending. I feel all of the harsher scores are the result of nit picking after the fact.

While gaming, I was not seriously affected by any other the major things people complain about. To go back after all is said and done and make a bigger deal out of things than you experianced while playing is unfair. Go pick apart skyrim and see what butchered score its left with.

While gaming the biggest issue I ran across was the random animation glitches where somebodies head would turn a little to far, or an Arm would start doing things arms dont normally do.

I can't begin to pick apart Skyrim, it's just too fun, and the broken parts only make it even more enjoyable. I've played Bethesda games for a long time, you learn to expect certain things.

I picked apart Mass Effect 3 as I played through it, and after I finished, I had even more time to pick it apart. Mass Effect 3 is hardly the game that I thought I was purchasing, and I was already dreading it because of the multiplayer and the scanning system.

Trust me, the Elder Scroll fanbase has already passed their nitpick phase, as this one will too soon. I remember going on the subreddit about a month after launch and every post was about how glitches/the ending/weak companion personalities/everything else under the sun was ruining the game, complete with "Skyrim is a disgrace to Morrowind and Oblivion, 5/10" postings. Sounds familiar, ya?

Oblivion sucked.

[FatalX7.0]

[quote]FatalX7.0 wrote...

[quote]shurikenmanta wrote...

Most of the technical issues would have gone unnoticed were it not for the ending. They were amped up cause people wanted to find more to dislike.[/quote]

I think the ending simply broke the "illusion" for a lot of people.


We were indoctrinated by EA and believed the lies that they spit out about the game, choices that matter, closure, no space magic, not A, B, or C, fans are co-creators, lots of dialogue, branching, story focus blah, blah, blah.

Then the ending sucks and knocks people back down to Earth.

How did I quote that instead of edit it?

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 08 mai 2012 - 08:08 .

[Armass81]

shurikenmanta wrote...

OK, I'm going to nip this whole '0/10 is totally justified' thing in the bud.

This is Superman 64.

It is regarded by most of the free world as one of the worst games ever made. Even IGN, considered by all as Satan, gave this game 3.4 out of 10. And that was one of the high reviews. This is a 2/10, 3/10 caliber game.

Does ME3 even compare to this? In any way, shape or form?

No. It does not. Not without hamming it up something chronic.

Apparently to some people scoring wise ME3 now equels that, or this.

What sense does this make? None... Do these people even know what a truly bad game is? Cause I really cant picture AVGN reviewing this like usual.

Seriously if you rate ME3 0/10, how do you rate the above games?

Modifié par Armass81, 08 mai 2012 - 08:16 .

[LeTtotheC]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I give Mass effect 3 an 8.8/10. Great game. Incomplete ending. I feel all of the harsher scores are the result of nit picking after the fact.

While gaming, I was not seriously affected by any other the major things people complain about. To go back after all is said and done and make a bigger deal out of things than you experianced while playing is unfair. Go pick apart skyrim and see what butchered score its left with.

While gaming the biggest issue I ran across was the random animation glitches where somebodies head would turn a little to far, or an Arm would start doing things arms dont normally do.

I can't begin to pick apart Skyrim, it's just too fun, and the broken parts only make it even more enjoyable. I've played Bethesda games for a long time, you learn to expect certain things.

I picked apart Mass Effect 3 as I played through it, and after I finished, I had even more time to pick it apart. Mass Effect 3 is hardly the game that I thought I was purchasing, and I was already dreading it because of the multiplayer and the scanning system.

Trust me, the Elder Scroll fanbase has already passed their nitpick phase, as this one will too soon. I remember going on the subreddit about a month after launch and every post was about how glitches/the ending/weak companion personalities/everything else under the sun was ruining the game, complete with "Skyrim is a disgrace to Morrowind and Oblivion, 5/10" postings. Sounds familiar, ya?

Oblivion sucked.

The levelling system was horribly flawed. 

[daecath]

Too many people are being unfair with their reviews. To give the game a 1 or a 0 based on the last few minutes alone is really not fair, no matter how much you hated the ending (and believe me, I hate it a lot).

However, there are plenty more things wrong with the game besides the ending. Choices that had little or no impact, lack of dialog options (ie. no neutral option), autodialog, fetch quests, lack of side quests, single player that is impacted by multiplayer, bad journal, developer laziness (characters that were killed off in Twitter posts/email/reaperized with no explanation, Tali's photo, the end scene photo). And then of course, all the problems with the ending.

Taking all these into account, I think something in the 4-6 range is perfectly reasonable. It's a perfectly average game. Unfortunately, our expectations of BioWare are significantly higher than average, which makes it seem like much worse than it is, so I can understand why they are getting lower scores.

[FatalX7.0]

LeTtotheC wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I give Mass effect 3 an 8.8/10. Great game. Incomplete ending. I feel all of the harsher scores are the result of nit picking after the fact.

While gaming, I was not seriously affected by any other the major things people complain about. To go back after all is said and done and make a bigger deal out of things than you experianced while playing is unfair. Go pick apart skyrim and see what butchered score its left with.

While gaming the biggest issue I ran across was the random animation glitches where somebodies head would turn a little to far, or an Arm would start doing things arms dont normally do.

I can't begin to pick apart Skyrim, it's just too fun, and the broken parts only make it even more enjoyable. I've played Bethesda games for a long time, you learn to expect certain things.

I picked apart Mass Effect 3 as I played through it, and after I finished, I had even more time to pick it apart. Mass Effect 3 is hardly the game that I thought I was purchasing, and I was already dreading it because of the multiplayer and the scanning system.

Trust me, the Elder Scroll fanbase has already passed their nitpick phase, as this one will too soon. I remember going on the subreddit about a month after launch and every post was about how glitches/the ending/weak companion personalities/everything else under the sun was ruining the game, complete with "Skyrim is a disgrace to Morrowind and Oblivion, 5/10" postings. Sounds familiar, ya?

Oblivion sucked.

The levelling system was horribly flawed. 

I think it had a lot more enemies though.

[Dendio1]

Im still kind of amazed the devs were championing the vastly different endings as recently as a month before release. Its almost as if they were thinking of a version of the game where the endings were done differently.

[Deathstroke123]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Deathstroke123 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I give Mass effect 3 an 8.8/10. Great game. Incomplete ending. I feel all of the harsher scores are the result of nit picking after the fact.

While gaming, I was not seriously affected by any other the major things people complain about. To go back after all is said and done and make a bigger deal out of things than you experianced while playing is unfair. Go pick apart skyrim and see what butchered score its left with.

While gaming the biggest issue I ran across was the random animation glitches where somebodies head would turn a little to far, or an Arm would start doing things arms dont normally do.

I can't begin to pick apart Skyrim, it's just too fun, and the broken parts only make it even more enjoyable. I've played Bethesda games for a long time, you learn to expect certain things.

I picked apart Mass Effect 3 as I played through it, and after I finished, I had even more time to pick it apart. Mass Effect 3 is hardly the game that I thought I was purchasing, and I was already dreading it because of the multiplayer and the scanning system.

Trust me, the Elder Scroll fanbase has already passed their nitpick phase, as this one will too soon. I remember going on the subreddit about a month after launch and every post was about how glitches/the ending/weak companion personalities/everything else under the sun was ruining the game, complete with "Skyrim is a disgrace to Morrowind and Oblivion, 5/10" postings. Sounds familiar, ya?

Oblivion sucked.

Hey... I thought Oblivion was good... 

[FatalX7.0]

Dendio1 wrote...

Im still kind of amazed the devs were championing the vastly different endings as recently as a month before release. Its almost as if they were thinking of a version of the game where the endings were done differently.

There was an article published on March 2nd with an interview where Casey Hudson says that everything will be answered and we will get closure.

And that's where he says we are co-creators and they use lots of feedback to shape the game and whatnot.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 08 mai 2012 - 08:15 .

[LeTtotheC]

daecath wrote...

Too many people are being unfair with their reviews. To give the game a 1 or a 0 based on the last few minutes alone is really not fair, no matter how much you hated the ending (and believe me, I hate it a lot).

However, there are plenty more things wrong with the game besides the ending. Choices that had little or no impact, lack of dialog options (ie. no neutral option), autodialog, fetch quests, lack of side quests, single player that is impacted by multiplayer, bad journal, developer laziness (characters that were killed off in Twitter posts/email/reaperized with no explanation, Tali's photo, the end scene photo). And then of course, all the problems with the ending.

Taking all these into account, I think something in the 4-6 range is perfectly reasonable. It's a perfectly average game. Unfortunately, our expectations of BioWare are significantly higher than average, which makes it seem like much worse than it is, so I can understand why they are getting lower scores.

People really are harsh, but I think it's more a reflection of the utter disapoinment and anger caused by the ending.  I know if I'd posted a review when I'd finished the game, it'd been in the negative numbers.  I mean I know Amazon hasn't got a negative system, but I'd of found a way to break the system.  That's just the nature of the emotional response Mass Effect 3 induced, and to be honest the fact it's pretty common amongst a varied cross section ultimately puts the fault at the feet of Bioware, not at the players themselves. 

[Joccaren]

Personally, a 6/10 or 7/10 seems reasonable to me.
For what the game is advertised as, and the expectations it places upon itself, those are probably generous scores to give it.

The Journal is terrible. Won't matter if you're a TPS fan with no regard for sidequests, but it makes sidequests incredibly annoying to do.
The plot is poor. It relies on both a Deus Ex Machina/Magic Bullet that is also a Diabolous Ex Machina for the ending, and as the central goal of the game. It retcons several possible plot lines with little to no in-game information, and has the potential for character inconsistencies with the main character, as well as several other major characters or side characters. Little work is put into many plot lines, and most romances are wholly unconvincing.
The gameplay is ok. It is more fun and enjoyable than ME1 or ME2, yet it lacks proper polish, and isn't as tight as it probably should be. The lack of enemies also becomes apparent after fighting Cerberus for 3/4 of the game. Weapon Modifications are a nice addition, however any RPG mechanics [RP RPG mechanics, not things like "Oh, you have a quest so its an RPG" or "You have levels so its an RPG"] have been severely reduced. The abilities system is greatly improved.
The technical aspects of the game a mediocre. It has numerous bugs - especially multiplayer with the Vanguard - and suffers animation problems frequently. Lip sync is probably the most out I've seen it, and voice often cuts out mid way through a sentence.
Nitpicking:
-Kai Leng is terrible
-The entire game is linear, barring side quests. This is a major step back from either ME1 or ME2
-The amount of auto-dialogue is ridiculous, and ruins much of the ME experience.
-The Citadel is more compartmentalised then ever before. It is a set of 5 rooms connected by a loading screen. It is also the only "Hub" world.
-Exploration is 95% gone. It now consists of flying 'round the galaxy map hitting the right mouse button, then going to whatever planet pops up with a red ring around it to collect an artefact - a method that works the same way as planet scanning in ME2, however there is a big white arrow pointing you to where the artefact is. No mission at all there.
-Most quests in the game are fetch quests - of the eavesdrop, fly, scan, return kind - or multiplayer quests.
-Majority of choices are retconed so as not to cut new players out of content, when a save customiser, or intro tiral akin to the ME2 talk with Jacob and Miranda, would have solved this problem.
-Game is constantly focusing on action set pieces, constantly breaking the flow of gameplay to show you something blowing up.
-The ending was simply a glorified horde mode, followed by a near copy/paste of the ME1 conversation fight, then a set of three choices ripped from Deus Ex, with little to no closure, that also spawns plot holes and character inconsistencies as well as using space magic, to completely ruin the ending.


As to whoever said to pick apart Skyrim - been there, done that. Didn't fare much better or worse than ME3. Wasn't near as disappointing though.

[daecath]

Dendio1 wrote...

I give Mass effect 3 an 8.8/10. Great game. Incomplete ending. I feel all of the harsher scores are the result of nit picking after the fact.

While gaming, I was not seriously affected by any other the major things people complain about. To go back after all is said and done and make a bigger deal out of things than you experianced while playing is unfair. Go pick apart skyrim and see what butchered score its left with.

While gaming the biggest issue I ran across was the random animation glitches where somebodies head would turn a little to far, or an Arm would start doing things arms dont normally do.

I don't even need to nitpick Skyrim. Flat, dull characters, and a story that is wide but not deep. That alone makes it a 6/10 for me. I'm inclined to take off an extra point just for the voice "acting" from the "actor" that did the voice of Farengar. Actually it was so bad I might just take off two points. 

Like ME3, it's not a bad game, just an average one. Unfortunately, like I said before, we expect above average quality from BioWare.

[FatalX7.0]

Joccaren wrote...

Personally, a 6/10 or 7/10 seems reasonable to me.
For what the game is advertised as, and the expectations it places upon itself, those are probably generous scores to give it.

The Journal is terrible. Won't matter if you're a TPS fan with no regard for sidequests, but it makes sidequests incredibly annoying to do.
The plot is poor. It relies on both a Deus Ex Machina/Magic Bullet that is also a Diabolous Ex Machina for the ending, and as the central goal of the game. It retcons several possible plot lines with little to no in-game information, and has the potential for character inconsistencies with the main character, as well as several other major characters or side characters. Little work is put into many plot lines, and most romances are wholly unconvincing.
The gameplay is ok. It is more fun and enjoyable than ME1 or ME2, yet it lacks proper polish, and isn't as tight as it probably should be. The lack of enemies also becomes apparent after fighting Cerberus for 3/4 of the game. Weapon Modifications are a nice addition, however any RPG mechanics [RP RPG mechanics, not things like "Oh, you have a quest so its an RPG" or "You have levels so its an RPG"] have been severely reduced. The abilities system is greatly improved.
The technical aspects of the game a mediocre. It has numerous bugs - especially multiplayer with the Vanguard - and suffers animation problems frequently. Lip sync is probably the most out I've seen it, and voice often cuts out mid way through a sentence.
Nitpicking:
-Kai Leng is terrible
-The entire game is linear, barring side quests. This is a major step back from either ME1 or ME2
-The amount of auto-dialogue is ridiculous, and ruins much of the ME experience.
-The Citadel is more compartmentalised then ever before. It is a set of 5 rooms connected by a loading screen. It is also the only "Hub" world.
-Exploration is 95% gone. It now consists of flying 'round the galaxy map hitting the right mouse button, then going to whatever planet pops up with a red ring around it to collect an artefact - a method that works the same way as planet scanning in ME2, however there is a big white arrow pointing you to where the artefact is. No mission at all there.
-Most quests in the game are fetch quests - of the eavesdrop, fly, scan, return kind - or multiplayer quests.
-Majority of choices are retconed so as not to cut new players out of content, when a save customiser, or intro tiral akin to the ME2 talk with Jacob and Miranda, would have solved this problem.
-Game is constantly focusing on action set pieces, constantly breaking the flow of gameplay to show you something blowing up.
-The ending was simply a glorified horde mode, followed by a near copy/paste of the ME1 conversation fight, then a set of three choices ripped from Deus Ex, with little to no closure, that also spawns plot holes and character inconsistencies as well as using space magic, to completely ruin the ending.


As to whoever said to pick apart Skyrim - been there, done that. Didn't fare much better or worse than ME3. Wasn't near as disappointing though.

Ah, thank you for this.

I can never seem to articulate my thoughts like this in the middle of a thread. I talked about a lot of those "issues" in my "Bioware Concerns" thread and I'm happy to see that there are a lot of people who feel the same way.

[FatalX7.0]

daecath wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I give Mass effect 3 an 8.8/10. Great game. Incomplete ending. I feel all of the harsher scores are the result of nit picking after the fact.

While gaming, I was not seriously affected by any other the major things people complain about. To go back after all is said and done and make a bigger deal out of things than you experianced while playing is unfair. Go pick apart skyrim and see what butchered score its left with.

While gaming the biggest issue I ran across was the random animation glitches where somebodies head would turn a little to far, or an Arm would start doing things arms dont normally do.

I don't even need to nitpick Skyrim. Flat, dull characters, and a story that is wide but not deep. That alone makes it a 6/10 for me. I'm inclined to take off an extra point just for the voice "acting" from the "actor" that did the voice of Farengar. Actually it was so bad I might just take off two points. 

Like ME3, it's not a bad game, just an average one. Unfortunately, like I said before, we expect above average quality from BioWare.

I've never found Elder Scrolls to really be about the story or the characters. Just the freedom, the exploration, the glitches and the WTF moments and the memes...

Oh god, the memes.

You know...story isn't even the reason I bought Skyrim. Or Oblivion. Or Morrowind.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 08 mai 2012 - 08:28 .

[daecath]

LeTtotheC wrote...

daecath wrote...

Too many people are being unfair with their reviews. To give the game a 1 or a 0 based on the last few minutes alone is really not fair, no matter how much you hated the ending (and believe me, I hate it a lot).

However, there are plenty more things wrong with the game besides the ending. Choices that had little or no impact, lack of dialog options (ie. no neutral option), autodialog, fetch quests, lack of side quests, single player that is impacted by multiplayer, bad journal, developer laziness (characters that were killed off in Twitter posts/email/reaperized with no explanation, Tali's photo, the end scene photo). And then of course, all the problems with the ending.

Taking all these into account, I think something in the 4-6 range is perfectly reasonable. It's a perfectly average game. Unfortunately, our expectations of BioWare are significantly higher than average, which makes it seem like much worse than it is, so I can understand why they are getting lower scores.

People really are harsh, but I think it's more a reflection of the utter disapoinment and anger caused by the ending.  I know if I'd posted a review when I'd finished the game, it'd been in the negative numbers.  I mean I know Amazon hasn't got a negative system, but I'd of found a way to break the system.  That's just the nature of the emotional response Mass Effect 3 induced, and to be honest the fact it's pretty common amongst a varied cross section ultimately puts the fault at the feet of Bioware, not at the players themselves. 

I agree. I think that the extremely low scores is unquestionably due to the emotional response of the ending. But what the ending does is lets you see just how flawed everything else really is. I'm willing to overlook a lot if I am enjoying myself. If it had had an ending that was good, I would probably rate it an 8. The fetch quests and autodialog bugged me, but I would probably overlook the rest of the issues (maybe a 7.5 because of Tali's photo & Emily Wong). But because the ending was so awful, I'm less inclined to overlook the other issues.

[Dendio1]

You can score it whatever you want, At the end of the day there is not one person in this thread who can honestly say they would not recommend the entire Mass Effect series to a friend. Sure the last 15 mins were disappointing, but only because the entire previous 3 games were amazing.
Mass effect combined 3 titles and 5 years of gaming and character development in a way that nobody else has.

The simple voting scale is Yea or Nay.

Everybody chooses Yea, because at the end of the day its simply better to have played the series than to have avoided it.

[FatalX7.0]

Dendio1 wrote...

You can score it whatever you want, At the end of the day there is not one person in this thread who can honestly say they would not recommend the entire Mass Effect series to a friend. Sure the last 15 mins were disappointing, but only because the entire previous 3 games were amazing.
Mass effect combined 3 titles and 5 years of gaming and character development in a way that nobody else has.

The simple voting scale is Yea or Nay.

Everybody chooses Yea, because at the end of the day its simply better to have played the series than to have avoided it.

I would recommend Mass Effect 1 and 2, but I would not recommend 3. I would tell my friends to play Mass Effect 3 at their own risk.

Mass Effect 3 by itself? If I hadn't played and enjoyed Mass effect 1 and 2, and had friends who never played 1 and 2, I would recommend Mass Effect 3 as a standalone game. I mean, Bioware says that Mass Effect 3 is a great standalone game, and it probably is if you're not expecting it to be like 1 and 2.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 08 mai 2012 - 08:39 .

[Dendio1]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

You can score it whatever you want, At the end of the day there is not one person in this thread who can honestly say they would not recommend the entire Mass Effect series to a friend. Sure the last 15 mins were disappointing, but only because the entire previous 3 games were amazing.
Mass effect combined 3 titles and 5 years of gaming and character development in a way that nobody else has.

The simple voting scale is Yea or Nay.

Everybody chooses Yea, because at the end of the day its simply better to have played the series than to have avoided it.

I would recommend Mass Effect 1 and 2, but I would not recommend 3. I would tell my friends to play Mass Effect 3 at their own risk.

Mass Effect 3 by itself? If I hadn't played and enjoyed Mass effect 1 and 2, and had friends who never played 1 and 2, I would recommend Mass Effect 3 as a standalone game. I mean, Bioware says that Mass Effect 3 is a great standalone game, and it probably is if you're not expecting it to be like 1 and 2.

Really, so you are telling me you would deny your friends the epic reaper battle on tuchanka, killing Kai leng for thane, the fun chats with TIM, the reunion with the original love interests, the fun cameos from me2 squadmates, the fun final dates like garrus on  the citadel, the big stupid jellyfish line, the STEEEVE line, the ability to shoot udina, the reveal of the asari roots and the protheans, The ability to squaddy up with a live prothean, the interesting conversations over existentialism with EDI, the reapers sacking of earth, Garrus and Vega going back and forth at the mess hall, drunk tali, drunk ashely, Javik tossing out the airlock, Wrex-shepard part 3, grunt being a badass, Thane being a badass, Mordin epic sacrifice, Legion epic sacrifice, Jack dancing, Joker falling in love, best combat of the trilogy, first multiplayer of the trilogy, chance to see thessia and rannoch, chance to down a reaper one on one, chance to see krogan upper society history......I could go on.

Mass effect 3 was a great ride. the last 15 mins didn't affect me until the last 15 mins. Avoiding ME3 is like avoiding popcorn because the last bits are undercooked..

The majority of us enjoyed the popcorn from start to finish and tossed out the kernels.
Those who avoided the entire bag are left hungry...

Modifié par Dendio1, 08 mai 2012 - 08:55 .

[LeTtotheC]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

daecath wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I give Mass effect 3 an 8.8/10. Great game. Incomplete ending. I feel all of the harsher scores are the result of nit picking after the fact.

While gaming, I was not seriously affected by any other the major things people complain about. To go back after all is said and done and make a bigger deal out of things than you experianced while playing is unfair. Go pick apart skyrim and see what butchered score its left with.

While gaming the biggest issue I ran across was the random animation glitches where somebodies head would turn a little to far, or an Arm would start doing things arms dont normally do.

I don't even need to nitpick Skyrim. Flat, dull characters, and a story that is wide but not deep. That alone makes it a 6/10 for me. I'm inclined to take off an extra point just for the voice "acting" from the "actor" that did the voice of Farengar. Actually it was so bad I might just take off two points. 

Like ME3, it's not a bad game, just an average one. Unfortunately, like I said before, we expect above average quality from BioWare.

I've never found Elder Scrolls to really be about the story or the characters. Just the freedom, the exploration, the glitches and the WTF moments and the memes...

Oh god, the memes.

You know...story isn't even the reason I bought Skyrim. Or Oblivion. Or Morrowind.

The story for all three is pretty average, but you don't buy them for the stories.  As you correctly pointed out, you buy them for the freedom they offer.  I've put 90 hours in, and I haven't completed the game.  My aim was the storyline, my aim was to get into dragonbone armour and march around acting like a tough SOB.  I did that.  I looked at my second aim of getting to enchanting 100, and I realised how many more hours I'd have to put in, and to be honest I haven't been back since.  I just know if the urge ever strikes me, I can carry on and do what I intended to do.  But that aside I had a brilliant time just finding as many dungeons as possible.  I didn't enter most.  I just had a whale of a time finding them and all the various areas of Skyrim.  

That's what defines it as a sandbox game, and one of the best imo.  It's got flaws, but it's also beautiful and majestic, and hella lot of fun. 

[Shermos]

eddieoctane wrote...

Shermos wrote...

I don't take anyone who gives ME3 less than a 7/10 seriously.

Then you likewise can't take any rating above that seriously. A low rating with a proper explanation of why it is low should always been taken seriously. Else, you're disregarding opinions simply because they differ from your own.

I've never seen any decent justifcation for anything less than 7/10. Anyone who gives a lower score is either marking too hard or an idiot. Most people on this forum are the former.

Modifié par Shermos, 08 mai 2012 - 08:56 .

[FatalX7.0]

Dendio1 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

You can score it whatever you want, At the end of the day there is not one person in this thread who can honestly say they would not recommend the entire Mass Effect series to a friend. Sure the last 15 mins were disappointing, but only because the entire previous 3 games were amazing.
Mass effect combined 3 titles and 5 years of gaming and character development in a way that nobody else has.

The simple voting scale is Yea or Nay.

Everybody chooses Yea, because at the end of the day its simply better to have played the series than to have avoided it.

I would recommend Mass Effect 1 and 2, but I would not recommend 3. I would tell my friends to play Mass Effect 3 at their own risk.

Mass Effect 3 by itself? If I hadn't played and enjoyed Mass effect 1 and 2, and had friends who never played 1 and 2, I would recommend Mass Effect 3 as a standalone game. I mean, Bioware says that Mass Effect 3 is a great standalone game, and it probably is if you're not expecting it to be like 1 and 2.

Really, so you are telling me you would deny your friends the epic reaper battle on tuchanka, killing Kai leng for thane, the fun chats with TIM, the reunion with the original love interests, the fun cameos from me2 squadmates, the fun final dates like garrus on  the citadel, the big stupid jellyfish line, the STEEEVE line, the ability to shoot udina, the reveal of the asari roots and the protheans, The ability to squaddy up with a live prothean, the interesting conversations over existentialism with EDI, the reapers sacking of earth, Garrus and Vega going back and forth at the mess hall, drunk tali, drunk ashely, Javik tossing out the airlock, Wrex-shepard part 3, grunt being a badass, Thane being a badass, Mordin epic sacrifice, Legion epic sacrifice, Jack dancing, Joker falling in love, best combat of the trilogy, first multiplayer of the trilogy, chance to see thessia and rannoch, chance to down a reaper one on one, chance to see krogan ruins......I could go on.

Mass effect 3 was a great ride. the last 15 mins didn't affect me until the last 15 mins. Avoiding ME3 is like avoiding popcorn because the last bits are undercooked..

The majority of us enjoyed the popcorn from start to finish and tossed out the kernels.
Those who avoided the entire bag are left hungry...

No, because I never said that.


That's all subjective anyway, whether they would enjoy it or not, you have no idea.

And besides, my problems with the game aren't story related, aside from the ending and the lame reunions, and the dialogue.

Wait...I guess that is part of the problem. But, if I was disappointed with the game, why would I outright recommend it?


I feel like this post kind of goes in circles. Er, my post.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 08 mai 2012 - 09:05 .

[LeTtotheC]

Dendio1 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

You can score it whatever you want, At the end of the day there is not one person in this thread who can honestly say they would not recommend the entire Mass Effect series to a friend. Sure the last 15 mins were disappointing, but only because the entire previous 3 games were amazing.
Mass effect combined 3 titles and 5 years of gaming and character development in a way that nobody else has.

The simple voting scale is Yea or Nay.

Everybody chooses Yea, because at the end of the day its simply better to have played the series than to have avoided it.

I would recommend Mass Effect 1 and 2, but I would not recommend 3. I would tell my friends to play Mass Effect 3 at their own risk.

Mass Effect 3 by itself? If I hadn't played and enjoyed Mass effect 1 and 2, and had friends who never played 1 and 2, I would recommend Mass Effect 3 as a standalone game. I mean, Bioware says that Mass Effect 3 is a great standalone game, and it probably is if you're not expecting it to be like 1 and 2.

Really, so you are telling me you would deny your friends the epic reaper battle on tuchanka, killing Kai leng for thane, the fun chats with TIM, the reunion with the original love interests, the fun cameos from me2 squadmates, the fun final dates like garrus on  the citadel, the big stupid jellyfish line, the STEEEVE line, the ability to shoot udina, the reveal of the asari roots and the protheans, The ability to squaddy up with a live prothean, the interesting conversations over existentialism with EDI, the reapers sacking of earth, Garrus and Vega going back and forth at the mess hall, drunk tali, drunk ashely, Javik tossing out the airlock, Wrex-shepard part 3, grunt being a badass, Thane being a badass, Mordin epic sacrifice, Legion epic sacrifice, Jack dancing, Joker falling in love, best combat of the trilogy, first multiplayer of the trilogy, chance to see thessia and rannoch, chance to down a reaper one on one, chance to see krogan upper society history......I could go on.

Mass effect 3 was a great ride. the last 15 mins didn't affect me until the last 15 mins. Avoiding ME3 is like avoiding popcorn because the last bits are undercooked..

The majority of us enjoyed the popcorn from start to finish and tossed out the kernels.
Those who avoided the entire bag are left hungry...

I haven't got the time to go over this with a fine toothed comb, but we'll just put it down to opinions.  And the popcorn analogy is just bad.  Maybe you should think about working on ME4 as a script writer?  It would be more akin to eating the popcorn and finding out there's a dead rat or coakroch at the bottom of the pack.  You expect the kernels, you don't expect a dead animal at the bottom.  At the best you'll throw the food away in disgust, even the good taste forgotten at the knowledge of what you found.  At worst you'll be put off popcorn for life.