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[TheRealJayDee]

Bluko wrote...

CARL_DF90 wrote...

@ Bluko

You know, it is funny you mention the, " I think a lot of people have just given up on the series now to be honest", aspect of the situation. I have mentioned this before here on the forums, but I was trying to getting 3 buddies of mine into the ME series right up until the release of ME3. Then the ending fiasco kicked in and other issues came to light and they lost interest. Another friend of mine was so disgusted with the end of the trilogy that he threw away all three ME games afterward. In addition, I know more than a few have simply left the foums after the ME3 debacle. I'm talking "old timers", people who have been part of the community before I signed up. I'd bet one of my paychecks that these cases are not isolated in the least.

Yeah I've totally given up trying to convince my friends to play the series anymore anyways.  I'm still hesitant about a second playthrough with my Renegade for a number of reasons. Although the current ending just kills any replay value for me. Even after ME2 I still told my friends they should totally try the series (but that they should start with ME1). Biggest problem is most of my friends are PS3 users and the lack of ME1 there is problematic sticking point. It's annoying too cause half of them play Dragon Age but they won't touch Mass Effect because "It looks just like a Halo!" Also most of them don't have good gaming PCs and none of them have an Xbox anymore since the damn things use to RRoD so much.

Now I feel like the fool considering the way ME3 went. I mean I can tell Bioware wanted to make a ME3 a great game, but it's like a half baked cake that's all mushy in the middle. Might look alright on the outside glance, but it really needed more time to bake. That's why I'm trying to be patient about the EC, but it's awfully hard for me to trust them anymore at this point. I certainly can't recommend them.

I have quite a lot of gaming friends. Most of them played DA:O, some of them because I repeatedly told them to. None of them played DA2 so far, because of what they read about it on the internet, because they didn't like the demo and/or because of me ranting about it like crazy. Several of them played and loved ME/ME2, and those who hadn't were interested in trying the whole trilogy after ME3 was released. After how DA2 went none of the existing ME fans preorderd, and guess what, to this day none but me has played the game. And sadly I see no reason anymore in trying to convince them atm. Maybe this will change once the EC is out, but I doubt it.

The Mass Effect trilogy could have been one of the greatest gaming experience ever, but imo there are too many wasted opportunities bringing it down. Rushed development, questionable priorities, abysmal PR - this is not the way to gain and/or keep loyal customers and fans. 

[T-Bone101]

SeismicGravy wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Over 200 million?

That means over 3 million copies were sold.

But how many of those copies were returned?

& how many copies will be repurchased this summer? 

Modifié par T-Bone101, 08 mai 2012 - 01:16 .

[CARL_DF90]

Most will be used copies I'm sure.

[Mylia Stenetch]

slyguy200 wrote...

I recommend caution buying future BW games and DLC. You should probably wait until some reviews come in from the players and online reviewers before getting any more BW products.

I prefer to get a review from my friends who I know there taste in games, and know my tastes than anonymous people on the internet that start in extreme poles of hate or omg greatest thing ever. Or just buy what you want, cause it is only your time you are wasting in the long run.

[Elite Midget]

T-Bone101 wrote...

SeismicGravy wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Over 200 million?

That means over 3 million copies were sold.

But how many of those copies were returned?

& how many copies will be repurchased this summer? 

Not a benefit to EA or Bioware, they will be repurchased as Used. Only Gamestop wins there.

[Bocks]

I can't wait for Bioware to fail horrendously.

400k subs gone in just a few months? Wow. In a few more TOR will be a ghostgame. That will probably be the end of Bioware, and EA soon after that.

[SalsaDMA]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Nanuzsh wrote...

You realize that 200mil is still a pethetic number. This is not counting the cost of production or more importantly the COST of marketing, which is a seperate branch of EA. The marketing of BF3 was over 100mil alone, without production cost.

Knowing EA the marketing of ME3 likely surpassed 50mil.


Compared to Skyrim's 500+mil sales its pethetically low.

Like I said they NEEDED a minimum sales of over 2-3mil sales. They WANTED 5-10+mil sales.


Mass Effect 3 is a hit but in the end only a MINOR hit.

If it had hit 10 million sales, would you then claim that it needed to be 20 million sales? 

It's the highest selling of the Mass Effect games. Expecting numbers like you're expecting is ridiculous based on past performances.

The reason he used the wording "minor hit" is because those where the words from bioware in regards to that amount of sales.

So how does it feel to be stating that bioware are making "ridiculous" expectations in sales?

Are you a hater now?

[SalsaDMA]

Bocks wrote...

I can't wait for Bioware to fail horrendously.

400k subs gone in just a few months? Wow. In a few more TOR will be a ghostgame. That will probably be the end of Bioware, and EA soon after that.

Tbh, I blame EA rushing the release and abysmal customer support for that.

I know that was why I left the game after 2 months of time.

The underlying frame was decent enough, if it had gotten the time it needed to be finished before release, but short term goals struck again for a company and wasted yet an opportuinity for a decent product.

[Scam_poo]

Yeah, so now hire some more people and kick out some MP dlcs! Tired of playing the same old maps.

[BatmanPWNS]

(As much as I don't like to diss sales) Sales really prove nothing about the quality of the game. COD is the best seller every year, are you telling me that COD is now the best game out there?

[sAxMoNkI]

I'm not surprised EA is up at the moment, pre-order sales were huge and (by their nature) unaffected by the backlash over the endings. That's why I am more interested in seeing the longer terms sales figures for ME3 down the line. My guess? Sluggish.
Of course if Bioware pulls out a blinder with the EC ME3 could see a resurgence in sales which honestly I hope happens because that benifits all involved.
I'll be keeping a healthy dose of skepticism until the EC's release however...

[Blavak]

Congratulations EA, now go make me a sandwich and proper ME3 ending.

[streamlock]

EA had a lot of investment heavy projects come to fruition in that time span. ME3, BF3, KotOR online. Their Origin service.

It is actually somewhat puzzling that they didn't make 'more' of a profit in that financial period-especially with ME3's preorder and launch sales going over projection. And the yearly money making machine that is EA sports to cover bloat costs. The only thing that financial period was missing was what? A major Sims release?

[Nanuzsh]

EA is treading water. Despite three no make that four major releases.

DA2
ME3
BF3
SWTOR

Then the yearly Fifa and other sports games.


If they only made 80+mil than thats still bad.

[Robhuzz]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Expect future Bioware titles to adopt ME3's marketing strategy of vague promises and intentionally obfuscated non-answers as a means of generating hype.

Also expect BioWare fans to be more weary of game quality in the future. The time when the fans went and bought BW games first day knowing they'd get their money's worth anyway like dumb cattle should be over by now.

how many copies will be repurchased this summer?  

You're assuming the EC will actually do something to make the ending palatable. If they're only clarifying that... thing (which simply cannot be done without retconning and more space magic) they'll only make things worse. In which case I rather doubt people would repurchase their sold copies. They'd just watch the EC scenes on youtube, decide BW is no longer worth supporting and move on. Or the rage would start all over again. The lattter would be rather awesome to witness:wizard:

Modifié par Robhuzz, 08 mai 2012 - 06:26 .

[Ygolnac]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

ME3's sales were never in jeapardy, the real question is how their next games will sell...

This one. I bought Dragon Age 2 becouse i enjoyed the first very much, but now they have lost a costumer on that franchise.

Mass Effect 3 is not such a big delusion, but the trilogy is over and now we'll see what they will focus on in the franchise. If the multiplayer get's more important and detract even more content from single player then thwy will lose me on ME franchise too.

And i stopped preordering their games or even buying at day 1, they are not reliable as they used to be.

Modifié par Ygolnac, 08 mai 2012 - 06:26 .

[Klijpope]

Considering all the predictions that ME3 was bombing and that everyone hated it that were going around a month ago, the post-hoc rationalisations as to how $200 million at retail proves ME3 is not successful are rather amusing.

A couple of things. $200mill = around 3 million copies sold - more considering some of the discounting that went on after the first couple of weeks. Inside 2 months that's not far off DA:O sales. EA were hoping for CoD level sales, but they weren't expecting it. In fact, only CoD gets CoD level sales....

As for SWTOR, if folk had looked further they'd have noticed the 400K drop off in player base was due to players not taking up their subscriptions after their free month, rather than cancelled subscriptions (there's a post on Kotaku mentioning this) - not at all unusual for a new MMO.

And a final nugget. A lot of folk were claiming the discounting that occurred for ME3 was a sign of bad sales. Perhaps there was some drop off after the controversy built up, but I remember ME2 had a similar drop off in retail price (maybe not so quick, but it was £15 after 4 months or so). At my local Tesco (not a dedicated game store, but probably one of the largest sellers of videogame sin the UK, especially after the demise of GAME), ME3 had gone down to £25. Imagine my surprise on Sunday when I saw it had gone back up to £39! Within pence of CoD, BF3, and Skyrim, the only other recent games to keep on selling months after release. Not making any claims as to what this means, but it is.... quite interesting....

[Sharn01]

SNascimento wrote...

And people said ME3 wasn't a comercial success...

Who said this?  Name names or link to the posts.


ME3 was a comercial success on preorders alone, even if no one ever bought the game after day one it would have been a success.

Modifié par Sharn01, 08 mai 2012 - 06:59 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

The decline is about to happen again , ME3 was the last game they were going to get big sales from.The rest of the games coming out will be making alot less money and even a new ME game still probably won't bring in sales like ME3 did.A meeting is defiantly needed , between them and Capcom I don't know which company is more clue-less.

[xSTONEYx187x]

Don't rush games. It's that simple.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Sharn01 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

And people said ME3 wasn't a comercial success...

Who said this?  Name names or link to the posts.


ME3 was a comercial success on preorders alone, even if no one ever bought the game after day one it would have been a success.

Yeah , third game of a trilogy and someone thought it wouldn't sell despite ending problems.You'd have have to be insane or new to games to believe that.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

Don't rush games. It's that simple.

You can rush a little bit , but you have to make sure you have completly thought out an ending. I think most enjoyed ME3 up until the last few minutes which is where somebody got they great idea to place random ideas that make no sense for an ending.I've said before if you don't know how to end something , end it early and save people from crappy ideas.Shepard with the fleets heading to earth , GR determines what happenes in the space battle and it cuts out and you get a screen saying Shepard ended the reaper threat.Make whatever happened on earth , the citadel and space magic stuff be an dlc alternate ending.Then you have a choice of seeing optional content that made zero sense. 

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 08 mai 2012 - 07:15 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Robhuzz wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Expect future Bioware titles to adopt ME3's marketing strategy of vague promises and intentionally obfuscated non-answers as a means of generating hype.

Also expect BioWare fans to be more weary of game quality in the future. The time when the fans went and bought BW games first day knowing they'd get their money's worth anyway like dumb cattle should be over by now.

In that case we should expect EA/Bioware to gradually cycle out their old core fanbase with new fans who are more into shallow action titles. Also expect them to make attempts at vilifying said former core fanbase as nothing but reddit or 4chan trolls.