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[rapscallioness]

Nanuzsh wrote...

@Cainne Chapel

http://www.videogame...new_target.html


Bioware wanted 10million sales in me2.

Me1 sold 2.3 million in its live time.

ME2 sold 2.1 million in its lifetime.

DA:O sold 5 million in its life time. And sold its expansion for 500,000 units after 6mnths.

DA 2 sold 1.8 to 2 mil in its life. Its EXPANSION GOT CANCELED.


Mass Effect 3 sold faster than the other two in the series then sharply dropped. It is still behind Dragon Age Origines.

The thing about expected sales is that it depends on goodwill entirely. Skyrim sold 13 mill because Bethesda made a name for itself with Oblivion,Morrowwind, Fallout 3. Thats three GOTY titles.

Bioware is the same it had similar goodwill and thus sold 1.5mil in a couple of weeks.


Note that Skyrim didnot sell COD level sales of 10million in 2 days. BUT steadily reached the same level sales within the following months. While COD sold massively after the first weeks then sharply dropped sales. NOW COD and Skyrim comfertably sits at the top with 16mil+ and 13mil+ sales respectable.


ME3 could have been there it had all the hype to reach that level but instead it sold the same a the other two Mass effect game. Didnot break any record.


Thats why its a minor hit. As it sold Da2 level sales

Hmm, interesting sales numbers. I'd say DA:O is the clear winner. If I were a game dev looking at these numbers, I would not be hesitating to use DA:O as a template/formula for upcoming games. I mean, there's always room for improvement. In fact, improvement is always necessary. But obviously the outline of DA:O worked quite well.

[rapscallioness]

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Modifié par rapscallioness, 08 mai 2012 - 07:55 .

[Atakuma]

rapscallioness wrote...

Nanuzsh wrote...

@Cainne Chapel

http://www.videogame...new_target.html


Bioware wanted 10million sales in me2.

Me1 sold 2.3 million in its live time.

ME2 sold 2.1 million in its lifetime.

DA:O sold 5 million in its life time. And sold its expansion for 500,000 units after 6mnths.

DA 2 sold 1.8 to 2 mil in its life. Its EXPANSION GOT CANCELED.


Mass Effect 3 sold faster than the other two in the series then sharply dropped. It is still behind Dragon Age Origines.

The thing about expected sales is that it depends on goodwill entirely. Skyrim sold 13 mill because Bethesda made a name for itself with Oblivion,Morrowwind, Fallout 3. Thats three GOTY titles.

Bioware is the same it had similar goodwill and thus sold 1.5mil in a couple of weeks.


Note that Skyrim didnot sell COD level sales of 10million in 2 days. BUT steadily reached the same level sales within the following months. While COD sold massively after the first weeks then sharply dropped sales. NOW COD and Skyrim comfertably sits at the top with 16mil+ and 13mil+ sales respectable.


ME3 could have been there it had all the hype to reach that level but instead it sold the same a the other two Mass effect game. Didnot break any record.


Thats why its a minor hit. As it sold Da2 level sales

Hmm, interesting sales numbers. I'd say DA:O is the clear winner. If I were a game dev looking at these numbers, I would not be hesitating to use DA:O as a template/formula for upcoming games. I mean, there's always room for improvement. In fact, improvement is always necessary. But obviously the outline of DA:O worked quite well.

This guy pulled those numbers out of his ass, ME2 did much better than ME1, and according to the NDP, ME3 out performed ME2 in it's first month. DAO is the best selling bioware game but it was likley also the least profitable.

[SalsaDMA]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Expect future Bioware titles to adopt ME3's marketing strategy of vague promises and intentionally obfuscated non-answers as a means of generating hype.

Also expect BioWare fans to be more weary of game quality in the future. The time when the fans went and bought BW games first day knowing they'd get their money's worth anyway like dumb cattle should be over by now.

In that case we should expect EA/Bioware to gradually cycle out their old core fanbase with new fans who are more into shallow action titles. Also expect them to make attempts at vilifying said former core fanbase as nothing but reddit or 4chan trolls.

I thought this was already happening?

[visionazzery]

True fans majority of us cold not give 2 hoots bout the materialistic rubbish regarding profit if Bioware start breaking news bout detail bout future DLC for singleplayer THAT IS ALL THAT WE CARE BOUT RIGHT?

[mx3ze]

And why should people re-buy the game this summer.. ???

[Father_Jerusalem]

EA makes a profit for the first time since 2007, and people are still saying it's "bad news" for EA.

Yeah.

[deuce985]

Congratulations Bioware! Very well deserved for a masterpiece game. Loved every minute of ME3.

[crazyrabbits]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

EA makes a profit for the first time since 2007, and people are still saying it's "bad news" for EA.

Yeah.

Is that why their stock dropped 5-10% in a single day?

http://venturebeat.c...es-weak-outook/

Always looking for that silver lining.

[Father_Jerusalem]

crazyrabbits wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

EA makes a profit for the first time since 2007, and people are still saying it's "bad news" for EA.

Yeah.

Is that why their stock dropped 5-10% in a single day?

http://venturebeat.c...es-weak-outook/

Always looking for that silver lining.

Ugh. Yet another amateur stock analyst making ridiculous claims. EA's stock has been crap for quite a long time. No matter how much you wish it, that's not the fault of ME3. 

[crazyrabbits]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Ugh. Yet another amateur stock analyst making ridiculous claims. EA's stock has been crap for quite a long time. No matter how much you wish it, that's not the fault of ME3. 

I could have quoted Forbes, Bloomberg or any one of the dozens of publications repeating the same thing. I doubt you care - you always like to skew the argument to suit your needs.

I never said this was the fault of ME3. EA may turn a corner, sure, but it's got a long way to go. Bleating about how great they are, in spite of their weak outlook, is not seeing the forest for the trees. Lest we forget this company still has a lower valuation than Zynga.

Anyway, what this article (and the others like it) note via the investors' report is that the TOR subscription loss is disappointing, the company is at risk of oversaturating the market via digital content in FY13, and a generally weak projected outcome for the next quarter.

Every EA release seems to court controversy in one way or another. I doubt it will be any different this year.

Modifié par crazyrabbits, 09 mai 2012 - 12:00 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

crazyrabbits wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Ugh. Yet another amateur stock analyst making ridiculous claims. EA's stock has been crap for quite a long time. No matter how much you wish it, that's not the fault of ME3. 

I could have quoted Forbes, Bloomberg or anyone of the dozens of publications repeating the same thing. I doubt you care - you always like to skew the argument to suit your needs.

I never said this was the fault of ME3. EA may turn a corner, sure, but it's got a long way to go. Bleating about how great they are, in spite of their weak outlook, is not seeing the forest for the trees. Lest we forget this company still has a lower valuation than Zynga.

Anyway, what this article (and the others like it) note via the investors' report is that the TOR subscription loss is disappointing, the company is at risk of oversaturing the market via digital content in FY13, and a generally weak projected outcome for the next quarter.

Every EA release seems to court controversy in one way or another. I doubt it will be any different this year.

Please point out to me where I said they're great. I'll go ahead and wait right here. 

For the record, my statement was "EA makes a profit for the first time since 2007, and people are still saying it's "bad news" for EA.

Yeah."

Not anything along the lines of "OMG EA IS TEH GREATEST THING EVA!" 

[crazyrabbits]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Please point out to me where I said they're great. I'll go ahead and wait right here. 

For the record, my statement was "EA makes a profit for the first time since 2007, and people are still saying it's "bad news" for EA.

Yeah."

Not anything along the lines of "OMG EA IS TEH GREATEST THING EVA!" 

Nah, I just lumped you in with the rest of the fanboys. Your statement appeared to imply this was a good thing, and while I would normally say that is true, given the extra information, it doesn't seem like it's anything but mediocre.

Like I said, silver lining in everything.

Modifié par crazyrabbits, 09 mai 2012 - 08:50 .

[Aargh12]

Who cares - the source of steady income (The Old Republic) has less players now (1,3 milion) than in February (1,7). It's a drop by 400000 players.
Anyway, let's see what will they have at the end of the year...

[DaJe]

rapscallioness wrote...

Nanuzsh wrote...

@Cainne Chapel

http://www.videogame...new_target.html


Bioware wanted 10million sales in me2.

Me1 sold 2.3 million in its live time.

ME2 sold 2.1 million in its lifetime.

DA:O sold 5 million in its life time. And sold its expansion for 500,000 units after 6mnths.

DA 2 sold 1.8 to 2 mil in its life. Its EXPANSION GOT CANCELED.


Mass Effect 3 sold faster than the other two in the series then sharply dropped. It is still behind Dragon Age Origines.

The thing about expected sales is that it depends on goodwill entirely. Skyrim sold 13 mill because Bethesda made a name for itself with Oblivion,Morrowwind, Fallout 3. Thats three GOTY titles.

Bioware is the same it had similar goodwill and thus sold 1.5mil in a couple of weeks.


Note that Skyrim didnot sell COD level sales of 10million in 2 days. BUT steadily reached the same level sales within the following months. While COD sold massively after the first weeks then sharply dropped sales. NOW COD and Skyrim comfertably sits at the top with 16mil+ and 13mil+ sales respectable.


ME3 could have been there it had all the hype to reach that level but instead it sold the same a the other two Mass effect game. Didnot break any record.


Thats why its a minor hit. As it sold Da2 level sales

Hmm, interesting sales numbers. I'd say DA:O is the clear winner. If I were a game dev looking at these numbers, I would not be hesitating to use DA:O as a template/formula for upcoming games. I mean, there's always room for improvement. In fact, improvement is always necessary. But obviously the outline of DA:O worked quite well.

The sad thing about this is that those at the top don't give a crap about how good a game sells. All they care about is profit, which takes budget into account.
Sadly DA2 might still be seen as a success considering it was forcefully pushed out in just a fracture of the time Origins had.
What they fail to realize is that those sales were still based on the reputation of Origins which now is gone.

With an extremely short sighted business practices they have significantly hurt their future profit.

Same with ME3.

Are they going to do it again? Do they really need to see their next game fail, due to lost reputation to actually learn from all this?

Modifié par DaJe, 09 mai 2012 - 09:45 .

[SalsaDMA]

crazyrabbits wrote...

Every EA release seems to court controversy in one way or another. I doubt it will be any different this year.

They've even started to ****** off some of the EA Sports crowd.

Coming to my mind is the euro 2012 that no longer could use the tagline "It's in the game" proper had quite a few people annoyed that they stopped licensing all the teams and only cherrypicked which teams they wanted to license.

I haven't followed their sports division for ages, though, so I don't know how perforating this is throughout their franchises.

[da mighty rEAper]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

ME3's sales were never in jeapardy, the real question is how their next games will sell...

da3 is the next ship, lets see

[FlamingBoy]

da mighty rEAper wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

ME3's sales were never in jeapardy, the real question is how their next games will sell...

da3 is the next ship, lets see

keep in mind they spent a ridiculous amount of money to hype me3 up,

so like you said we will see

[Icinix]

FlamingBoy wrote...

da mighty rEAper wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

ME3's sales were never in jeapardy, the real question is how their next games will sell...

da3 is the next ship, lets see

keep in mind they spent a ridiculous amount of money to hype me3 up,

so like you said we will see

Money that probably could have been better spent improving some aspects of the single player game. Seriously I will not understand how some companies can't get through them that no amount of marketing spending will fix an issue with the game itself.

[SalsaDMA]

Icinix wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

da mighty rEAper wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

ME3's sales were never in jeapardy, the real question is how their next games will sell...

da3 is the next ship, lets see

keep in mind they spent a ridiculous amount of money to hype me3 up,

so like you said we will see

Money that probably could have been better spent improving some aspects of the single player game. Seriously I will not understand how some companies can't get through them that no amount of marketing spending will fix an issue with the game itself.

It's all about return of investment.

If investing more in marketing than game production yilds a better return, that's what they are going to do.

[Icinix]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Icinix wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

da mighty rEAper wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

ME3's sales were never in jeapardy, the real question is how their next games will sell...

da3 is the next ship, lets see

keep in mind they spent a ridiculous amount of money to hype me3 up,

so like you said we will see

Money that probably could have been better spent improving some aspects of the single player game. Seriously I will not understand how some companies can't get through them that no amount of marketing spending will fix an issue with the game itself.

It's all about return of investment.

If investing more in marketing than game production yilds a better return, that's what they are going to do.

I thought these days artistic integrity was more important than higher profit margins?

[AkiKishi]

SalsaDMA wrote...

It's all about return of investment.

If investing more in marketing than game production yilds a better return, that's what they are going to do.

EA have never quite got the sustainability thing. With them it's more like milk it till it's dry then carve it up for meat.

[tobiasks]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

crazyrabbits wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Ugh. Yet another amateur stock analyst making ridiculous claims. EA's stock has been crap for quite a long time. No matter how much you wish it, that's not the fault of ME3. 

I could have quoted Forbes, Bloomberg or anyone of the dozens of publications repeating the same thing. I doubt you care - you always like to skew the argument to suit your needs.

I never said this was the fault of ME3. EA may turn a corner, sure, but it's got a long way to go. Bleating about how great they are, in spite of their weak outlook, is not seeing the forest for the trees. Lest we forget this company still has a lower valuation than Zynga.

Anyway, what this article (and the others like it) note via the investors' report is that the TOR subscription loss is disappointing, the company is at risk of oversaturing the market via digital content in FY13, and a generally weak projected outcome for the next quarter.

Every EA release seems to court controversy in one way or another. I doubt it will be any different this year.

Please point out to me where I said they're great. I'll go ahead and wait right here. 

For the record, my statement was "EA makes a profit for the first time since 2007, and people are still saying it's "bad news" for EA.

Yeah."

Not anything along the lines of "OMG EA IS TEH GREATEST THING EVA!" 

Sorry for asking, but I really find it ironic you never answered SalsaDMA's question on page 6, so are you ever going to reply? I am not trying to be a douche, but just thought it was funny that was the first and only post you decided to ignore.

edit: Also earlier in this thread you accused a guy for saying that he hopes bioware dies which he obviously did not state, so he asked you to quote him but you never did, you just based it on 'previous posts in other topics'. And now some guy does the exact same thing to you. oh the irony.

Modifié par tobiasks, 09 mai 2012 - 01:05 .

[The Anti-Saint]

crazyrabbits wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Please point out to me where I said they're great. I'll go ahead and wait right here.

For the record, my statement was "EA makes a profit for the first time since 2007, and people are still saying it's "bad news" for EA.

Yeah."

Not anything along the lines of "OMG EA IS TEH GREATEST THING EVA!"

Nah, I just lumped you in with the rest of the fanboys. Your statement appeared to imply this was a good thing, and while I would normally say that is true, given the extra information, it doesn't seem like it's anything but mediocre.

Like I said, silver lining in everything.

Professional grade fluffery at work...bask in its brilliance...see how the dark clouds shine with their lining...

Modifié par The Anti-Saint, 09 mai 2012 - 03:29 .