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[Valdemera]

I'm a very complex person and a lot of people have trouble understanding me and figuring me out. Sometimes even I cannot understand myself. So, lets see my sins and virtues.
Wrath/sorrow. I hate the world and humanity because they're evil, stupid and they destroy everything beautiful. Too bad I'm human too and too bad that I have to live among them. But I never hurt anyone (only if they anger me... how dare you mocking me, my family or my friends?)
Envy. I envy those who have perfect life. Other than that I don't envy material things of others.
Pride. I never ever bow to anyone, only if I respect the person. Probably this is my biggest sin after wrath.
Sloth. Awww. I started doing sports when I was 9, I still play handball but I'm still lazy. >.>
And I'm also very vain and I love beauty. I love staring and beautiful people whether it's a man or a woman, because they can inspire me to create something beautiful. (Yeah I have artistic tendencies).

On the other hand I'm by no means greedy, gluttonous of lusty(?). I also happen to be very loyal to those I trust.

[Somehing]

Valdemera wrote...
Wrath/sorrow. I hate the world and humanity because they're evil, stupid and they destroy everything beautiful. Too bad I'm human too and too bad that I have to live among them.

We are friends

Envy. I envy those who have perfect life. Other than that I don't envy material things of others.
Pride. I never ever bow to anyone, only if I respect the person. Probably this is my biggest sin after wrath.

I've similar envy. I don't see your pride as a sin. I find it ridiculous you have to bow to and take **** from any random retarded police, judge, doctor or royalty who don't know anything about you yet are automatically above you and allowed to judge you and do whatever they want with you. I think that double standard with equality in law should change. You are not born into this life with superiors. (I'm well aware most will disagree with this, however I personally have been subjected to ridiculous judgement and treatment and so this matters a lot to me. You get abusive police, with power. You get doctors that are only interested in making their job easier, with power. You get bullying military, with power. These are facts.)

and I love beauty. I love staring and beautiful people whether it's a man or a woman, because they can inspire me to create something beautiful. (Yeah I have artistic tendencies).

...this is a sin? :S

[Chaos-fusion]

My favourite would be wrath. I am not sure why though.



However, I am most guilty of sloth, which is odd since I enjoy being up doing things more than dossing about.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

I love to bow to people. It's not a gesture of awe though, because I mostly do it for the stylistic effect and to enhance myself - to stand out.

And the best bit? It weirds people out.

Since it's not a common gesture of politeness anymore (where I live at least) everybody just thinks I'm mocking them by displaying fake ettiquette.



When asked why I do it, my general response is "Because I don't have to. I wouldn't do it if I somebody tried to force me."

[TanithAeyrs]

This thread made me think of a song that Mordred sings in the musical "Camelot". He sings "The seven deadly virtues", I can't remember all of it (haven't watched it in years- I have the version with Julie Andrews and Richard Burton on VHS).

Anyway "The Seven Deadly Virtues"



Courage- now there's a sport, an invitation to the state of rigor mort

Humility- I find humility means to be hurt,it's not the earth the weak inherit it's the dirt

Honesty- is fatal it should be tabooed

Purity- a noble yen, very restful every now and then



I don't remember the rest of it but very fitting for a chaotic evil character (Mordred).

[fairandbalancedfan]

Sloth. I like being lazy.



on a more lighter note, my life is ruined.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Greed.

Definitely greed. Greed makes the economy work.

[Vaeliorin]

Personally, gluttony and sloth are my favorites.

Oh, and the seven virtues I was taught were:

Fortitude
Understanding
Courage
Knowledge
Piety
Awe of the Lord
Wisdom

I still remember them some 20 years or so since I was taught them.  Why?  Look at the acronym they form...I found it pretty memorable.

[Somehing]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

I love to bow to people. It's not a gesture of awe though, because I mostly do it for the stylistic effect and to enhance myself - to stand out.

And the best bit? It weirds people out.

Since it's not a common gesture of politeness anymore (where I live at least) everybody just thinks I'm mocking them by displaying fake ettiquette.



When asked why I do it, my general response is "Because I don't have to. I wouldn't do it if I somebody tried to force me."

Omg that is SO how I would be if I considered myself alive. I like this idea!

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

Sloth. I like being lazy.



on a more lighter note, my life is ruined.

Heyy...my brother!!! We have SO much to talk about

Vaeliorin wrote...

Fortitude

Understanding

Courage

Knowledge

Piety

Awe of the Lord

Wisdom



I still remember them some 20 years or so since I was taught them. Why? Look at the acronym they form...I found it pretty memorable.

This...is too funny to be true. Please tell me you're a Leprechaun.

[Gorath Alpha]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

Sloth. I like being lazy.

on a more lighter note, my life is ruined.

Sorry to hear that.  Neither of the religions I learned much about as a child went in for lists of sins the way the Catholics and Episcopalians do, so I didn't hear about "seven sins" until much later, when in fact I was getting distant from any sort of organized religion (which is where I stayed once I'd escaped).  I prefer to think of myself as efficient, getting the most done with the least effort. 

Some things just don't need that much attention, like dust.  You wipe at it and it moves over to some other place and you go there and wipe, but then it drifts back to where you were before, and only part of it is trapped in the wiping cloth / rag / paper towel.  What you want to do is locate sources for dust, like the cats' litter boxes.  Beware of the ones that advertise being odor free, since they almost always aren't dust-free, and cats just love stirring that dust up. 

Gorath
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[Orogun01]

Okay, there seems to be a lot of misuses of the term sloth here (btw, too many lazy people on this forum) The term as is used within the context of religion refers to emotional apathy; in fact sloth is the union of apathy and depression both which were part of the original 8 deadly sins but were consolidated into one to fit the perfect number 7.

Oh and in case nobody noticed my sin is pride.

[Morganlafey]

Wrath

Gluttony



Both have gotten me into some serious trouble healthwise!

[Sylvius the Mad]

Orogun01 wrote...

The term as is used within the context of religion refers to emotional apathy

Emotional apathy?

What in the world does that mean?

[Somehing]

Gorath Alpha wrote...
Some things just don't need that much attention, like dust.  You wipe at it and it moves over to some other place and you go there and wipe, but then it drifts back to where you were before, and only part of it is trapped in the wiping cloth / rag / paper towel.  What you want to do is locate sources for dust, like the cats' litter boxes.  Beware of the ones that advertise being odor free, since they almost always aren't dust-free, and cats just love stirring that dust up. 
Gorath
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a) That is the most...obscure analogy I have come across in some time. Care to clarify???
You do realise a wet cloth picks up dust much better than that, don't you?
c) Whatever analogy you're using, dust it somewhat more important in some situations than others, some places it's better to have dust than others, some people have asthma, etc

Orogun01 wrote...
Okay, there seems to be a lot of misuses of the term sloth here (btw, too many lazy people on this forum)

I agree. It's terrific!

The term as is used within the context of religion refers to emotional apathy; in fact sloth is the union of apathy and depression both which were part of the original 8 deadly sins but were consolidated into one to fit the perfect number 7.
Oh and in case nobody noticed my sin is pride.

I didn't think it was obvious. But that makes sense, although I don't understand some of these things being "sins" and demonised, like envy, depression, actually all of them can be sickness. But I suppose evil and sick are considered the same (stay far, far away/kill them!) and get confused e.g. "you're a sick, sick pervert and should be locked away" maybe he is sick but he then needs 'help' for his sickness not insults. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole point of churches is they're places of 'healing', not condemning judgement. Society seems to've twisted(/'perverted', just the same) this far too far for the sake of self-righteousness/feeling superior - I mean that's the whole attitude isn't it "ha ha we're better than you", even though it's not always the person's fault. That's just my own noticed interpretation anyway..the 'damned' are automatically considered the "evil", as if either one automatically warrants the other.
(Minor edit: Noticed inaccurate word)

Modifié par Somehing, 10 décembre 2009 - 11:51 .

[Somehing]

Apathy - unemotion, not caring, not feeling any way about things.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Somehing wrote...
I don't understand some of these things being "sins" and demonised, like envy, depression, actually all of them can be sickness.

I do believe that's because you think about this using modern standards. In the Middle Ages, children that nowadays are treated for AD(H)D were beaten on a regular basis or even killed.

Man is evil, that was one of the most basic fundaments of Christianity for a time. (and woman was even worse...)

[Jonp382]

Somehing wrote...

Apathy - unemotion, not caring, not feeling any way about things.

Apathy cannot be emotional.

[Somehing]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

Somehing wrote...
I don't understand some of these things being "sins" and demonised, like envy, depression, actually all of them can be sickness.

I do believe that's because you think about this using modern standards. In the Middle Ages, children that nowadays are treated for AD(H)D were beaten on a regular basis or even killed.

Man is evil, that was one of the most basic fundaments of Christianity for a time. (and woman was even worse...)

Okay okay that would explain a lot of inconsistencies (not just in this, but practically every facet of religion) -- but in that case, wouldn't the entire thing be 'outdated' far too much to follow? Does that mean people that follow need to adhere to medieval standards or that the religion needs to be 'updated' and some of these beliefs 'corrected' - including the accuracy about what is a "sin"?
This is SO going to get deleted.
(Stanley Woo, once you catch me having an explicit debate about religion, I ask only that you delete my post rather than close the entire thread just because of me)

Jonp382 wrote...

Somehing wrote...

Apathy - unemotion, not caring, not feeling any way about things.

Apathy cannot be emotional.

...is that not basically
Am I missing something..?
I'm straining to see what you mean...is that not what I just said??

[Amberyl Ravenclaw]

Somehing wrote...

Okay okay that would explain a lot of inconsistencies (not just in this, but practically every facet of religion) -- but in that case, wouldn't the entire thing be 'outdated' far too much to follow? Does that mean people that follow need to adhere to medieval standards or that the religion needs to be 'updated' and some of these beliefs 'corrected' - including the accuracy about what is a "sin"?

Many philosophies and religions that have canonical teachings of some sort (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc) have certain core texts that people like to fall back on and use as guidelines for daily living. As you said, though, the problem is determining whether these standards are universally and timelessly applicable. if you want to convince people to change their stance on this, though, it's quite a task when you are debating with folks who believe that a text is so sacred and divinely inspired that nothing can be changed (i.e. if God / the gods ordained it, then surely it must be perfect and it would be an insult for humans to impose their own interpretation for it). After all, who can argue with God / gods / the founder of said philosophy or religion? You've hit the nail on the head of the problem, though.  

[Somehing]

Ah gotcha, so the logical solution is just patch them up as "guidelines" as many (most?) people do(?) - I just saw from the amount of people posting their habits and considering it as sin, and reading this:

Orogun01 wrote...
...sloth is the union of apathy and depression both which were part of the original 8 deadly sins but were consolidated into one to fit the perfect number 7.

I just thought people are being judged and judging themselves too harshly, for me it makes no sense for a sickness to be a 'sin', y'know?

[Orogun01]

Somehing wrote...

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

Somehing wrote...
I don't understand some of these things being "sins" and demonised, like envy, depression, actually all of them can be sickness.

I do believe that's because you think about this using modern standards. In the Middle Ages, children that nowadays are treated for AD(H)D were beaten on a regular basis or even killed.

Man is evil, that was one of the most basic fundaments of Christianity for a time. (and woman was even worse...)

Okay okay that would explain a lot of inconsistencies (not just in this, but practically every facet of religion) -- but in that case, wouldn't the entire thing be 'outdated' far too much to follow? Does that mean people that follow need to adhere to medieval standards or that the religion needs to be 'updated' and some of these beliefs 'corrected' - including the accuracy about what is a "sin"?
This is SO going to get deleted.
(Stanley Woo, once you catch me having an explicit debate about religion, I ask only that you delete my post rather than close the entire thread just because of me)

Jonp382 wrote...

Somehing wrote...

Apathy - unemotion, not caring, not feeling any way about things.

Apathy cannot be emotional.

...is that not basically
Am I missing something..?
I'm straining to see what you mean...is that not what I just said??

The term confounds me too, yet that is how it was written as a deadly sin. I assume that it refers to apathy as a permanent state rather than a transient one. Also those two were added mostly because the author of the deadly sins struggled with depression and considered it to be deadly. Watching those History channel specials pays off at last. .

[Seagloom]

Envy...



I often see others' accomplishments and lament that I have not done nearly as much in the same time frame. At times I feel my life has little worth because those around are much more talented, tenacious, and creative. I wish I were more like them. A better writer or musician, more intelligent, in better shape... any number of things.



I can visit a random webpage or even see accomplishments of others here in modding or writing and envy them; wishing I was as capable. Sad part is, I know I could do better if I truly gave it my all; but it is very easy for me to get trapped in a cycle of envy and self loathing that never ends because I make no progress and end up having more reasons to feel envious. Slowly I'm pulling myself out of this rut, but it has been a lifelong struggle.



Sloth and wrath are also tied into this. Sloth being something I habitually sink into and wrath directed at myself when frustration begins to mount.

[Somehing]

Orogun01 wrote...
The term confounds me too, yet that is how it was written as a deadly sin. I assume that it refers to apathy as a permanent state rather than a transient one. Also those two were added mostly because the author of the deadly sins struggled with depression and considered it to be deadly. Watching those History channel specials pays off at last. .

The apathy part must completely suck for people with autistic tendencies.
And there're loads of things that are deadly without necessarily being evil..and evil without necessarily being deadly! On first thought it sounds irresponsible of him to add depression as a SIN just because it was deadly..but I suppose depression wasn't a clinical problem then so it would've just been 'bad thoughts', which is more understandable to see as a sin. Of course that brings us back to today's updated understanding and that religious understanding should perhaps be updated with it! It's a sad conflict and I can see how both stances make sense in their own logic...but I don't like the idea we're basically all going to hell

[Jonp382]

Somehing wrote...

Am I missing something..?
I'm straining to see what you mean...is that not what I just said??

Well, you defined apathy. But 'emotional apathy'(what we are talking about) is an oxymoron.