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[George-Kinsill]

The forums are filled with a never ending morality debate between the endings and the amount of personal attacks are unfortunately increasing. Many defend their ending with a certain level of zeal that I think is displaced. To me, the endings do not fit well into the Mass Effect universe. Tthat is besides the point though. It seems that many, if not all people would choose the destroy ending if only the Reapers were killed. So my question is, if only the Reapers, not the geth and EDI, were destroyed in the destroy ending, would this cause you to pick destroy over synthesis and control?

I know that many people speculate this already, and others attack this speculation does not justify the genocide of the geth. However, let's accept for this debate that only the Reapers are killed off. If this is the case, then I think that destroy shoots control and synthesis out of the water in terms of morality and overall quality. Personally, I think Bioware shoe horned the death of the geth and EDI in order to not have everyone choose destroy, just like they had the First Enchanter responsible for the death of Hawke's mother so that some people would side with the Templars in DA2.

So please respond with your thoughts on how this scenario would change you choice, if at all. Also, let's try to keep things somewhat civil.

Edit: For the sake of more debate, would you change your decision if Shepard survived the control ending?

Edit 2: For those who think destroy would be to perfect if it only killed the Reapers, are you worried about synthetics uprising? Do you believe the Reaper god child about the cycle? Or do you just not care?

Modifié par George-Kinsill, 08 mai 2012 - 04:18 .

[The Angry One]

Said it before and I'll say it again. They couldn't make control and synthesis appealing on their own merits, so they had to tack on penalties to destroy.

That's lazy writing. Their job was to sell these other options, not arbitrarily penalise people for picking the only option that even begins to resemble what we've been fighting for, for 3 whole games.

[brain_damage]

The Angry One wrote...

Their job was to sell these other options, not arbitrarily penalise people for picking the only option that even begins to resemble what we've been fighting for, for 3 whole games.

/ thread.
Kind sir, you win the internets.

[Elite Midget]

If it just destroyed the Reapers than no one would pick the other two choices because it would be so blatantly obvious that is the best choice. Shepard only living in that ending would just be topping on that cake.

[Progman Omega]

Absolutely. Then again, I always choose destroy so...

[Hadeedak]

I think control's big merit is that it leaves you with a Citadel, EDI and the geth, and possibly nicer relays.

Synthesis has its thing.

But yeah, if destroy didn't require you to make any sacrifices, it'd be the best choice. In other news, trees need water to live.

[The Angry One]

Elite Midget wrote...

If it just destroyed the Reapers than no one would pick the other two choices because it would be so blatantly obvious that is the best choice. Shepard only living in that ending would just be topping on that cake.

And why can't it be the best choice, if you do everything right, if you make peace with the Geth and get max EMS?

This is like saying that it shouldn't be possible to do the suicide mission in ME2 with 0 casualties no matter how hard you work.

[lordnyx1]

The Angry One wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

If it just destroyed the Reapers than no one would pick the other two choices because it would be so blatantly obvious that is the best choice. Shepard only living in that ending would just be topping on that cake.

And why can't it be the best choice, if you do everything right, if you make peace with the Geth and get max EMS?

This is like saying that it shouldn't be possible to do the suicide mission in ME2 with 0 casualties no matter how hard you work.

Well we know at least one DA mod would like that, why John why? <_<

[Harmless Crunch]

The Angry One wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

If it just destroyed the Reapers than no one would pick the other two choices because it would be so blatantly obvious that is the best choice. Shepard only living in that ending would just be topping on that cake.

And why can't it be the best choice, if you do everything right, if you make peace with the Geth and get max EMS?

This is like saying that it shouldn't be possible to do the suicide mission in ME2 with 0 casualties no matter how hard you work.

B-b-but it's only deep and artistic if its super grimdak and sacrifice and stuff!

[Clayless]

The Angry One wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

If it just destroyed the Reapers than no one would pick the other two choices because it would be so blatantly obvious that is the best choice. Shepard only living in that ending would just be topping on that cake.

And why can't it be the best choice, if you do everything right, if you make peace with the Geth and get max EMS?

This is like saying that it shouldn't be possible to do the suicide mission in ME2 with 0 casualties no matter how hard you work.

If you really don't like it don't pick it. If you don't like the other 2 don't pick them. If you think the game has been ruined for you then trade it in and move on.

You know, actually make a choice (in the ending and in real) rather than sitting around complaining about it.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 07 mai 2012 - 10:59 .

[cogsandcurls]

The Angry One wrote...

Said it before and I'll say it again. They couldn't make control and synthesis appealing on their own merits, so they had to tack on penalties to destroy.

That's lazy writing. Their job was to sell these other options, not arbitrarily penalise people for picking the only option that even begins to resemble what we've been fighting for, for 3 whole games.

This.

Also, since Casper is known to be lying about Shep dying and we don't see EDI and the Geth die, I choose to believe that it does only destroy the Reapers. Speculation and all, but I figure if we can speculate about negative things I can speculate about this in a positive way ;D

[The Angry One]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

If it just destroyed the Reapers than no one would pick the other two choices because it would be so blatantly obvious that is the best choice. Shepard only living in that ending would just be topping on that cake.

And why can't it be the best choice, if you do everything right, if you make peace with the Geth and get max EMS?

This is like saying that it shouldn't be possible to do the suicide mission in ME2 with 0 casualties no matter how hard you work.

If you really don't like it don't pick it. If you don't like the other 2 don't pick them. If you think the game has been ruined for you then trade it in and move on.

You know, actually make a choice (in the ending and in real) rather than sitting around complaining about it.

The point -------------------->



[Your head]

Not that I'd expect anything else of you.

[Clayless]

The Angry One wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

If you really don't like it don't pick it. If you don't like the other 2 don't pick them. If you think the game has been ruined for you then trade it in and move on.

You know, actually make a choice (in the ending and in real) rather than sitting around complaining about it.

The point -------------------->



[Your head]

Not that I'd expect anything else of you.

Instead of asking other people to give you answers, like you always do because you never do anything yourself, how about you answer why it can't be the best choice?

Once you have your answer, tell us what you're going to do about it.

[Wulfram]

I think there's a decent logical case for picking Control even without dead Geth. Particularly if you clear up a few practical issues, like how you can control the reapers while dead.

It would be a minority choice, but I'm sure some would take it.  Even more would take it if the story leading up to the final choice wasn't so heavy handedly anti-Control - like allowing Shepard to show some sympathy with the objective, while opposing TIM's methods.

Synthesis is just gibberish.

Modifié par Wulfram, 07 mai 2012 - 11:06 .

[kalasaurus]

Well there's also the hypothetical threat of chaos and the technological singularity. I guess the writers realized this consequence was completely new to the players (with little foreshadowing in the game) so tacking on the sacrifice was a tangible consequence that would make them reconsider.

I am sure there are many people who would still pick control and synthesis even without the synthetic life genocide in destroy. Especially synthesis since it's portrayed as the good choice that solves Starbrat's problem.

[KingZayd]

And there's nothing that confirms that the Geth are dead after anyway. For all you know, it could simply be a Reaper off button. Albeit one that you have to shoot.

Modifié par KingZayd, 07 mai 2012 - 11:10 .

[Hadeedak]

I probably wouldn't pick Control if it wasn't the only way to save the geth and EDI without going all synthesis. I kind of like that the game MAKES me choose. I wish they were explained better in general.

Destroy is the 'safest' choice anyway, and the easy one to get to. If control told you Shepard might live and remain sane, and Destroy killed Shepard and the Reapers, I think more people would go for it. People like live heroes in general.

I don't think any of them are the wrong or right choice, which is one of the few redeeming things about the ending.

[Sohlito]

The Angry One wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

If it just destroyed the Reapers than no one would pick the other two choices because it would be so blatantly obvious that is the best choice. Shepard only living in that ending would just be topping on that cake.

And why can't it be the best choice, if you do everything right, if you make peace with the Geth and get max EMS?

This is like saying that it shouldn't be possible to do the suicide mission in ME2 with 0 casualties no matter how hard you work.

If you really don't like it don't pick it. If you don't like the other 2 don't pick them. If you think the game has been ruined for you then trade it in and move on.

You know, actually make a choice (in the ending and in real) rather than sitting around complaining about it.

The point -------------------->



[Your head]

Not that I'd expect anything else of you.

That legitly made me spit my drink out all over my monitor and laugh.

[GHNR]

Forcefully: Hell yeah, I'd do it it if it didn't destroy the geth and EDI. Solemn: Would've been nice is BioWare included that if we had enough EMS.

[Bill Casey]

EDI and the Geth should still be around because the whole point of the Destroy option is a rejection of the Reaper's reasoning...

You're betting it all that synthetic life won't wipe out organic life...


Destroy should end with EDI going...

EDI: "Don't worry Shepard. When Synthetics rise up and wipe out Organics, we'll take good care of the universe for you."




















"That is a joke."

[Hadeedak]

KingZayd wrote...

And there's nothing that confirms that the Geth are dead after anyway. For all you know, it could simply be a Reaper off button. Albeit one that you have to shoot.

How boring is THAT?

[Draining Dragon]

We can't have that. That's a disney ending! It's so overused! We can't have an ending that gives us the ideal situation!

/sarcasm

Modifié par Draining Dragon, 07 mai 2012 - 11:19 .

[The Angry One]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Instead of asking other people to give you answers, like you always do because you never do anything yourself, how about you answer why it can't be the best choice?

Once you have your answer, tell us what you're going to do about it.

Why should I do your work for you?
My argument is that it can and should be the best choice, of the choices provided.

The onus is on you to argue otherwise.

[Navasha]

For me personally, I am not a gambler. I will always choose destroy as it is the only choice that guarantees an end to the reaper threat.

I would have chosen destroy even if the "cost" was the entire human race instead of the Geth, so yes, I imagine if they stripped away all of the "cost" to the choice I would have had an easier moment choosing it.