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[Mr.House]

MisterJB wrote...

Please no Perfect Ending, thank you very much.

So don't pick it. Why must we suffer because people like you want despair and gloom?

[ahandsomeshark]

Reorte wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Though my issue with destroy is that while it stops the reapers isn't doesn't stop the supposed cycle so really it doesn't seem to accomplish anything but pushing the problem a few centuries into the future.

A few centuries into the future is where I'm quite happy to embrace speculation.

I'm not, I didn't play three games to post-pone the threat. I played three games to go all in. To me simply post-poning the threat is basically submitting. 

[Hadeedak]

SirBob1613 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If someone truly believes that Destroy is the only option which they can morally choose, then sacrificing the Geth should be inconsequential.

In fact, when Starchild said that destroy will kill all Synthetics even the Geth, I shrugged my shoulders.

See thats the problem ith destory i don't want to control the reapers they dont deserve a easy way out i dont want to combine oragincs and synthetics into some nasty monster. How come blue and green endings have no problems attached when red does?

In blue and green, you don't kill the reapers. Shepard dies. Blue wrecks the least stuff. Synthesis apperantly solves everything forever. Both are a gamble.

In red, you have a certainty. The Reapers are gone. Poof. Buuuut you also wreck a lot of stuff.

[MisterJB]

ahandsomeshark wrote...
They could always give us multiple endings like they promised. And they could give a non perfect ending with a sacrifice that makes way more sense then lol jk all that crap you did with the geth was just filler you could have skipped it. I'd rather sacrifice the entire sol system than wipe out an entire species who allied with me.

Such is the sacrifice required to Destroy the Reapers. It is in the spirit of the ending you picked, destructive.


Also, if you destroy the Sol system, you are dooming the human race to either extinction or subservience. You are just trading which species will suffer.

[111987]

SirBob1613 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If someone truly believes that Destroy is the only option which they can morally choose, then sacrificing the Geth should be inconsequential.

In fact, when Starchild said that destroy will kill all Synthetics even the Geth, I shrugged my shoulders.

See thats the problem with destory i don't want to control the reapers they dont deserve a easy way out i dont want to combine oragincs and synthetics into some nasty monster. How come blue and green endings have no problems attached when red does?

They have no problems from the perspective of the Catalyst.

[ahandsomeshark]

KingNothing125 wrote...

If Destroy only killed the Reapers, there would be no reason to choose any of the others. Killing the Geth (and possibly EDI) is an arbitrary addition to make people consider the alternatives. I said "F it" and chose Destroy anyway. Only a fool would follow Illusive Man (Control) or Saren (Synthesis).

but this is the point, did adding the geth and EDI in actually make anyone consider the alternative. I think most people just saw it as something arbitrarily tacked on and ignored it.

[George-Kinsill]

MisterJB wrote...

Please no Perfect Ending, thank you very much.

I'm pretty sure that the Destroy ending is the onl one that results in the destruction of the citadel, so it wouldn't be perfect; you would destroy the biggest wonder of the galaxy and kill 18 million or so people.

[Hadeedak]

Mr.House wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Please no Perfect Ending, thank you very much.

So don't pick it. Why must we suffer because people like you want despair and gloom?

While I'm not against happy endings...

Making one clearly the best would make choosing sort of pointless.

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

Such is the sacrifice required to Destroy the Reapers. It is in the spirit of the ending you picked, destructive.

Look, I know you're in love with turning everyone into a husk, but stop talking nonsense.

Also, if you destroy the Sol system, you are dooming the human race to either extinction or subservience. You are just trading which species will suffer.

Yes because humans don't have several colonies elsewhere and several fleets, not to mention the galactic sympathy they'd earn for such an action.

[Hadeedak]

George-Kinsill wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Please no Perfect Ending, thank you very much.

I'm pretty sure that the Destroy ending is the onl one that results in the destruction of the citadel, so it wouldn't be perfect; you would destroy the biggest wonder of the galaxy and kill 18 million or so people.

Synthesis blows it up too!

Because synthesis wasn't weird enough.

[ahandsomeshark]

MisterJB wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...
They could always give us multiple endings like they promised. And they could give a non perfect ending with a sacrifice that makes way more sense then lol jk all that crap you did with the geth was just filler you could have skipped it. I'd rather sacrifice the entire sol system than wipe out an entire species who allied with me.

Such is the sacrifice required to Destroy the Reapers. It is in the spirit of the ending you picked, destructive.


Also, if you destroy the Sol system, you are dooming the human race to either extinction or subservience. You are just trading which species will suffer.

Is the human race any less doomed as is with most of earth destroyed in the war, and probably mass population lost, and an entire army of pissed off aliens stuck in it's orbit?

[SirBob1613]

111987 wrote...

SirBob1613 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If someone truly believes that Destroy is the only option which they can morally choose, then sacrificing the Geth should be inconsequential.

In fact, when Starchild said that destroy will kill all Synthetics even the Geth, I shrugged my shoulders.

See thats the problem with destory i don't want to control the reapers they dont deserve a easy way out i dont want to combine oragincs and synthetics into some nasty monster. How come blue and green endings have no problems attached when red does?

They have no problems from the perspective of the Catalyst.

They dont destory synthetics and even in blue the relays can be saved so there isnt any problems with them but with red synthetics die. There should be no problems at all or there should be problems for all.

[hoodaticus]

SirBob1613 wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If someone truly believes that Destroy is the only option which they can morally choose, then sacrificing the Geth should be inconsequential.

In fact, when Starchild said that destroy will kill all Synthetics even the Geth, I shrugged my shoulders.

See thats the problem with destory i don't want to control the reapers they dont deserve a easy way out i dont want to combine oragincs and synthetics into some nasty monster. How come blue and green endings have no problems attached when red does?

Because Blue and Green ARE the problem, and, with no small poetic justice, anyone who chooses those endings will instantly perish.

BTW - it may very well be that Starchild is simply the last indoctrinated fool who chose control or synthesis, and Harbinger is pulling the strings.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 07 mai 2012 - 11:46 .

[tvman099]

The Angry One wrote...

Said it before and I'll say it again. They couldn't make control and synthesis appealing on their own merits, so they had to tack on penalties to destroy.

That's lazy writing. Their job was to sell these other options, not arbitrarily penalise people for picking the only option that even begins to resemble what we've been fighting for, for 3 whole games.

No further explanation than this is needed.

[The Angry One]

Hadeedak wrote...

Why destroy only (or specifically), then? Why not have control where Shepard's infesting Citadel ads being like "Hey, guys! The reapers are in dark space! Someone build me a body!" Or a synthesis with...

I haven't thought about it, but fixing destroy doesn't exclude making control better.

Ok, so I don't like synthesis, even in concept... But something like a benevolent ghost in the machine Shepard...

Synthesis deserves nothing other than Harbigner dancing in front of the screen with a bright yellow trollface.

[ahandsomeshark]

The Angry One wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Such is the sacrifice required to Destroy the Reapers. It is in the spirit of the ending you picked, destructive.

Look, I know you're in love with turning everyone into a husk, but stop talking nonsense.

Also, if you destroy the Sol system, you are dooming the human race to either extinction or subservience. You are just trading which species will suffer.

Yes because humans don't have several colonies elsewhere and several fleets, not to mention the galactic sympathy they'd earn for such an action.

Yeah based on the population info provided in the planet descriptions only a little over half of the human population is still on earth. And that's not even counting all the evacuations and military personnel that left when they invaded or the millions(maybe billions) that probably died while the reapers occupied.

[Hadeedak]

The reason red destroys more things is... Well, it IS Destroy. But if you pick red, you just totally and completely cut off future reaper threat! Yay!

[111987]

The Angry One wrote...

Yes because humans don't have several colonies elsewhere and several fleets, not to mention the galactic sympathy they'd earn for such an action.

There biggest colony is Terra Nova, with about 4 million people. So yeah, humanity might survive, but they will entirely fall out of the political picture of the galaxy. They'll be completely at the mercy of the other races. It would take centuries for humans to ever recover what they lost, if they even could at all. The end of Earth is the end of humanity as we know it.

[ahandsomeshark]

I'd rather have my shepard die in the destroy endings than sacrificing the geth. I'd sacrifice the entire Normandy before I sacrificed an entire race.

[Anacronian Stryx]

I'm actually fine with the space brat offering three bad choices (since they seem hellbent of bringing the little S*** in the game) what i wanted was having the option of Shep saying to hell with that, walk away and take the chance on the fleet actually defeating the reapers - hell they could even make this option incredibly hard to win (like 99.9% of all ems needed and thats just to win, This option would always result in casulties amongst your friends) and i would be fine with it.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 07 mai 2012 - 11:48 .

[Catamantaloedis]

The Angry One wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If someone truly believes that Destory is the only option which they should choose, then sacrificing the Geth should be inconsequential.

In fact, when Starchild said that destroy will kill all Synthetics even the Geth, I shrugged my shoulders.

How nice for you. I don't feel the same. Why should my game reflect your views?
That's the antithesis of Mass Effect.

How would you like it if I said you could only play as an Engineer? Or only as ManShep or FemShep?
Choice. It matters.

If it's so hard for you to sacrifice the Geth to save everyone who exists and will exist in the future, rather than magically controlling the Reapers, or having everyone turned into half-synthetic abominations, then that sucks for you.

[Hadeedak]

The Angry One wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Why destroy only (or specifically), then? Why not have control where Shepard's infesting Citadel ads being like "Hey, guys! The reapers are in dark space! Someone build me a body!" Or a synthesis with...

I haven't thought about it, but fixing destroy doesn't exclude making control better.

Ok, so I don't like synthesis, even in concept... But something like a benevolent ghost in the machine Shepard...

Synthesis deserves nothing other than Harbigner dancing in front of the screen with a bright yellow trollface.

Hahahaha. Yeah, I'm bitter because my boyfriend just took synthesis for the sole purpose of annoying me with my favorite of his Shepards. I kind of almost get the 'upside' of synthesis, but I get stuck on the biology and then my brain explodes again...

[The Angry One]

111987 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yes because humans don't have several colonies elsewhere and several fleets, not to mention the galactic sympathy they'd earn for such an action.

There biggest colony is Terra Nova, with about 4 million people. So yeah, humanity might survive, but they will entirely fall out of the political picture of the galaxy. They'll be completely at the mercy of the other races. It would take centuries for humans to ever recover what they lost, if they even could at all. The end of Earth is the end of humanity as we know it.

Well, you do realise most of the population of Earth that remains is going to die anyway due to the inevitable nuclear winter and heavy Eezo pollution.
They're not going to be able to evacuate them all, and even the ones that are taken onto the fleet will likely starve.

[Reorte]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Reorte wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Though my issue with destroy is that while it stops the reapers isn't doesn't stop the supposed cycle so really it doesn't seem to accomplish anything but pushing the problem a few centuries into the future.

A few centuries into the future is where I'm quite happy to embrace speculation.

I'm not, I didn't play three games to post-pone the threat. I played three games to go all in. To me simply post-poning the threat is basically submitting. 

Then pick Control. To me a few centuries in the future is well beyond the scope of the Mass Effect story. It's possibly the subject for future stories. Ditto with what will happen with the krogan once the genophage is cured. To me Mass Effect ends with the Reapers somehow defeated and how the consequences of that defeat affect the characters, particularly the one I've been roleplaying. A story should end (IMO) by giving you a reasonable idea of the characters' future for the next year or two but not by trying to answer questions about what may happen hundreds of years down the line. Otherwise you may as well criticise Lord of the Rings for not addressing what will happen when one day the orcs invent nuclear weapons.

[The Angry One]

Hadeedak wrote...

Hahahaha. Yeah, I'm bitter because my boyfriend just took synthesis for the sole purpose of annoying me with my favorite of his Shepards. I kind of almost get the 'upside' of synthesis, but I get stuck on the biology and then my brain explodes again...

Hm I think if anyone did that in front of me I'd explode into rage and screeching the likes of which has rarely been seen..