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[Hadeedak]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I'm actually fine with the space brat offering three bad choices (since they seem hellbent of bringing the little S*** in the game) what i wanted was having the option of Shep saying to hell with that, walk away and take the chance on the fleet actually defeating the reapers - hell they could even make this option incredibly hard to win (like 99.9% of all ems needed and thats just to win, This option would always result in casulties amongst your friends) and i would be fine with it.

Well, yeah. But that's not what we got and probably not what we're getting, since we keep getting told we can't go toe to toe with Reapers.

....I say line up a bunch of krogan vanguards and tell them charge.

[Bill Casey]

Let's say for the sake of argument, highest EMS Control (3600 plus) turns Shepard into a Dr. Manhattan like being who can control all of the Reapers, go anywhere and has immeasurable powers. He uses this newfound power to materialize a brand new cision toothbrush for Traynor and some fresh Noverian Rum for Aria... (Brick jokes!)

Highest EMS Synthesis (3600 plus) Creates a true utopia and rebirths Shepard on the Adam and Eve planet like he's Spock or something...

Highest EMS Destroy (3600 plus) Destroys the Reapers while preserving Synthetic life...



Then have mid EMS versions of Control/Destroy with mixed results, and versions of all three where things go very wrong...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 07 mai 2012 - 11:50 .

[ahandsomeshark]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I'm actually fine with the space brat offering three bad choices (since they seem hellbent of bringing the little S*** in the game) what i wanted was having the option of Shep saying to hell with that, walk away and take the chance on the fleet actually defeating the reapers - hell they could even make this option incredibly hard to win (like 99.9% of all ems needed and thats just to win, This option would always result in casulties amongst your friends) and i would be fine with it.

this.

I'd rather fight and die than submit.

[The Angry One]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If it's so hard for you to sacrifice the Geth to save everyone who exists and will exist in the future, rather than magically controlling the Reapers, or having everyone turned into half-synthetic abominations, then that sucks for you.

I'm glad you're so happy with a game that's supposed to be based on choice rigidly conforming to a few limited and forced options.

[MisterJB]

The Angry One wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Please no Perfect Ending, thank you very much.

This attitude irks me. Why can't we have the option for a "perfect" (perfect, after all the death and destruction?) ending?
If you don't want it, don't choose it, but why should the rest of us be forced into the same options as you?

There are three different endings, you are not forced to pick the same I did.
However, to simply destroy a conduit, the Reapers are dead, everyone was friends and rejoiced would demean the entire series that was based upon "Lots of choices ahead. None of them easy except for the very last one".
Please, don't.

Mr.House wrote...
So don't pick it. Why must we suffer because people like you want despair and gloom?

I want your choices to reflect the ending you get. I want an epilogue where we can see a galaxy that has been fundamentally changed. Sacrifices were necessary but there is hope for the future.

What I don't want is a choice where there are absolutely no negative consequences.

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 mai 2012 - 11:52 .

[Hadeedak]

The Angry One wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

Hahahaha. Yeah, I'm bitter because my boyfriend just took synthesis for the sole purpose of annoying me with my favorite of his Shepards. I kind of almost get the 'upside' of synthesis, but I get stuck on the biology and then my brain explodes again...

Hm I think if anyone did that in front of me I'd explode into rage and screeching the likes of which has rarely been seen..

I try hard to like it. I am sort of partial to the theory behind the control/destroy dichotomy. Then there's this third thing that's just like "Hey, everyone loves nanite beams or SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULDN'T HAVING YOUR IPAD GRAFTED TO YOUR BRAIN BE COOL."

[ahandsomeshark]

But like others said my biggest issue i that I don't want to pick any of your stupid options. I'd rather go toe to toe right now and if it means we lose then fine, at least we went out on OUR terms.

[MisterJB]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

But like others said my biggest issue i that I don't want to pick any of your stupid options. I'd rather go toe to toe right now and if it means we lose then fine, at least we went out on OUR terms.

Well, you can already do that. Don't pick an option.
The Reapers destroyed the Crucible and we lost because conventional victory was impossible.
Then again, freedom to die is not that much of a freedom.

[Bill Casey]

MisterJB wrote...

I want your choices to reflect the ending you get. I want an epilogue where we can see a galaxy that has been fundamentally changed. Sacrifices were necessary but there is hope for the future.

What I don't want is a choice where there are absolutely no negative consequences.

Anderson dies (at face value)...
The ending shouldn't be overshadowing this moment...

[Catamantaloedis]

The Angry One wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If it's so hard for you to sacrifice the Geth to save everyone who exists and will exist in the future, rather than magically controlling the Reapers, or having everyone turned into half-synthetic abominations, then that sucks for you.

I'm glad you're so happy with a game that's supposed to be based on choice rigidly conforming to a few limited and forced options.

I don't recall saying I was happy with the choices. I do recall saying that if you felt that Destroy was the right choice, then you should have taken it because sacrificing the geth is inconsequential.

[111987]

The Angry One wrote...

111987 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yes because humans don't have several colonies elsewhere and several fleets, not to mention the galactic sympathy they'd earn for such an action.

There biggest colony is Terra Nova, with about 4 million people. So yeah, humanity might survive, but they will entirely fall out of the political picture of the galaxy. They'll be completely at the mercy of the other races. It would take centuries for humans to ever recover what they lost, if they even could at all. The end of Earth is the end of humanity as we know it.

Well, you do realise most of the population of Earth that remains is going to die anyway due to the inevitable nuclear winter and heavy Eezo pollution.
They're not going to be able to evacuate them all, and even the ones that are taken onto the fleet will likely starve.

Nuclear winter? From what?

And yeah eezo radiation is a definite concern; a lot of people are going to die from it. Not everybody though.

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

There are three different endings, you are not forced to pick the same I did.
However, to simply destroy a conduit, the Reapers are dead, everyone was friends and rejoiced would demean the entire series that was based upon "Lots of choices ahead. None of them easy except for the very last one".
Please, don't.

For Commander Shepard to return from the Suicide Mission with zero casualties would demean the entire series it was based upon.
No matter your choices, you should lose at least half your squad.

This is basically what you are saying.

What I don't want is a choice where there are absolutely no negative consequences.

Why not? Games like this are about rewarding effort. If I put in the effort, then I've earned my right to destroy the Reapers without sacrificing the Geth or the relays.

[Anacronian Stryx]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I'm actually fine with the space brat offering three bad choices (since they seem hellbent of bringing the little S*** in the game) what i wanted was having the option of Shep saying to hell with that, walk away and take the chance on the fleet actually defeating the reapers - hell they could even make this option incredibly hard to win (like 99.9% of all ems needed and thats just to win, This option would always result in casulties amongst your friends) and i would be fine with it.

this.

I'd rather fight and die than submit.

Hell the result could just be a stalemate and the reapers departs for dark space and I'll still take this option... it might even entice me to play the multiplayer (even though i officially hate the concept) to get my EMS rating up.

I would even buy the DLC set 50 years in the future with granddad Shepherd leading an expedition to dark space to wipe out those tentacle freaks once and for all.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 07 mai 2012 - 11:59 .

[The Angry One]

111987 wrote...

Nuclear winter? From what?

And yeah eezo radiation is a definite concern; a lot of people are going to die from it. Not everybody though.

Mass accelerator misfires. Every single shot that misses a Reaper is going to hit Earth. Remember, Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest SOB in space.
Also, massive amount of debris both from the fleet and the Reapers and of course the Citadel.

[The Angry One]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

I don't recall saying I was happy with the choices. I do recall saying that if you felt that Destroy was the right choice, then you should have taken it because sacrificing the geth is inconsequential.

Again, it is inconsequential to you. Stop imposing your character's beliefs on mine.

[SirBob1613]

The Angry One wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

I don't recall saying I was happy with the choices. I do recall saying that if you felt that Destroy was the right choice, then you should have taken it because sacrificing the geth is inconsequential.

Again, it is inconsequential to you. Stop imposing your character's beliefs on mine.

Can you fly?

[MisterJB]

The Angry One wrote...
Look, I know you're in love with turning everyone into a husk, but stop talking nonsense.

Synthetic genocide is what you get for acting like a damned Neanderthal.

Yes because humans don't have several colonies elsewhere and several fleets, not to mention the galactic sympathy they'd earn for such an action.

The great majority of our population was on Earth. Even if we can keep a stabl number with out homeworld gone, the aliens are not going to let us keep our Council Seat out of the goodness of their hearts.
Sympathy means nothing in politics.

[unoriginalname1133]

 Yes, that would be awesome. But I think this leads to a larger issue that extends from this: should there be a "golden" ending? That is, should there be an ending that works out well for everyone (except the Reapers. of course)? This proposal of destroying just the Reapers seems to at least come pretty close to this. I understnad why some wouldn't want this (why wouldn't you just pick this everytime?) but I personally would like to have the option. Make it insanely hard to get if you want, but I think having a happy ending should be possible if you work your butt off, preferrably with the option to achieve it as both a paragon or a renegade. Your personal decisions could still be reflected in the aftermath, so I can't think of why a player shouldn't be rewarded for hard work 

[KingZayd]

The Angry One wrote...

111987 wrote...

Nuclear winter? From what?

And yeah eezo radiation is a definite concern; a lot of people are going to die from it. Not everybody though.

Mass accelerator misfires. Every single shot that misses a Reaper is going to hit Earth. Remember, Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest SOB in space.
Also, massive amount of debris both from the fleet and the Reapers and of course the Citadel.

Stand around and don't move after the Starchild is done talking. Turn and look at Earth. Explodey things keep hitting it

[ahandsomeshark]

MisterJB wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

But like others said my biggest issue i that I don't want to pick any of your stupid options. I'd rather go toe to toe right now and if it means we lose then fine, at least we went out on OUR terms.

Well, you can already do that. Don't pick an option.
The Reapers destroyed the Crucible and we lost because conventional victory was impossible.
Then again, freedom to die is not that much of a freedom.

except then the game reloads and makes you choose again, that's not an ending option anymore than getting a critical mission failure anywhere else is. My point is I'd rather, in that moment, have had the choice, yeah we might die but at least my Shepard made an actual decision rather than just deciding to listen to the reapers in the last moment.

Though to me this goes back to the fact the problem is the entire ending is constructed poorly. 

[Shallyah]

As it is, there is little reason to pick anything else than Destroy, imagine if the Geth weren't thrown there just to guilt trip the players and gnaw at their morals. To me the choice was easy enough already - Geth are oversold murdering spacejunk filled with narrative inconsistencies and retconning, so Mass Effect won't miss them.

Besides, if Shepard gets credit for all theGeth destroyed in red ending... imagine all the XP. The reason they can't make ME4 is because Shepard would take Reapers 1 on 1 and the setting would lose perspective.

Modifié par Shallyah, 08 mai 2012 - 12:04 .

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

Synthetic genocide is what you get for acting like a damned Neanderthal.

LOL, yeah, killing the bad guys is such a terrible thing. Much better to keep them as they are or submit to their agenda.

The great majority of our population was on Earth. Even if we can keep a stabl number with out homeworld gone, the aliens are not going to let us keep our Council Seat out of the goodness of their hearts.
Sympathy means nothing in politics.

Except humanity would still have it's fleets, it's military power intact.
Again, most of the people on Earth are going to die regardless in the endings, you've just made sure you took the galaxy with you.
Although perhaps that's your point.

[MisterJB]

The Angry One wrote...
Again, it is inconsequential to you. Stop imposing your character's beliefs on mine.

Is this irony or hipocrisy?

[ahandsomeshark]

MisterJB wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Look, I know you're in love with turning everyone into a husk, but stop talking nonsense.

Synthetic genocide is what you get for acting like a damned Neanderthal.

Yes because humans don't have several colonies elsewhere and several fleets, not to mention the galactic sympathy they'd earn for such an action.

The great majority of our population was on Earth. Even if we can keep a stabl number with out homeworld gone, the aliens are not going to let us keep our Council Seat out of the goodness of their hearts.
Sympathy means nothing in politics.

the great majority of earth is probably dead by the time you even get to the catalyst between weeks of reaper occupation and all the warfare, plus the whole citadel exploding in orbit thing.

[The Angry One]

MisterJB wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Again, it is inconsequential to you. Stop imposing your character's beliefs on mine.

Is this irony or hipocrisy?

Neither, since I have not once said you should lose your ending, however much I detest synthesis.