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[Reznore57]

I think Flemeth or the Blight , Archdemon tends to not care about Thedas politics...
Imho it's a bit like A song of Fire and Ice , with a double plot.
One about basics human lives , war , struggles for power.
And another above , which is more mythical and mostly ignored by the population , because it's out of their reach and they have better to do.But it may be the biggest unknown threat Thedas is about to face.

So no i don't think the Blight and the archdemon are an act of charity to unite people ,and made them celebrate their love for one another..

But i think the Blight have an unknown purpose (beyond awakening huge angry dragons that destroy everything) , because the guy that tricked the magisters into the golden city , surely didn't do it for the "lolz.Gotcha"
I used to think the taint was a trap to keep people/old gods from finding something in the golden city.
Now i wonder if it wasn't done on purpose , to awake those archdemon , to force people to slay them and push Flemeth to save some of them.

The thing is we don't know much about old god , archdemon and dragons.
My last crazy theory is archdemon are huge dragons posessed by old god souls , dragon abominations...

I guess we'll see when Alistair and co will arrive in Tevinter ,land of secrets and dark magics...I'm sure we all gonna have a lot more of crazy theory/conspiracy fun after that .

[Silfren]

JimmyTheProthean wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

JimmyTheProthean wrote...
About the truth about the Dragon Age world. It seems Dragons are privotal to the worlds existense they are literally the Blood that keeps the world flowing. It is also revealed that it might be possible that each Archdemon is released when a great crisis strikes Thedas it unites the humans,dwarfes and elves together and makes sure no one country or race gets to powerfull. It's also known now that Dragons possibly the Archdemons are awakened by the blood of important royal families such as Marics blood and Alistairs. Dragon Age 3 is going to get really interesting.

That would be an interesting theory if Archdemons or the Blights were mentioned at all in the comics.

, im just adding what i think the purpose of the Silent grove is after reading the comics it might be possible Flemeth keeps watch and assesses the world situation and then tells Yavana to release an Archdemon? if a paticular country gets to dangerous and powerfull or if theres to much fighting between countries?. Im just speculating on what was said and adding my own theory no need to get hostile good sir 

You read DG's comment as hostile?  That's a bit of a major overreaction...

[Silfren]

JimmyTheProthean wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

JimmyTheProthean wrote...

, im just adding what i think the purpose of the Silent grove is after reading the comics it might be possible Flemeth keeps watch and assesses the world situation and then tells Yavana to release an Archdemon? if a paticular country gets to dangerous and powerfull or if theres to much fighting between countries?.

Considering the last archdemon was released by the Architect, and this after the war between Ferelden and Orlais had finished, I don't see how your theory works.

He might have used Grey Warden who's blood has royal ancestors?

He approached the Old God and woke it up.  No blood was used.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Silfren wrote...

JimmyTheProthean wrote...

He might have used Grey Warden who's blood has royal ancestors?

He approached the Old God and woke it up.  No blood was used.

And even if it had been, how was the world at war? Much less Ferelden, which is where the Blight was. I fail to see how it stopped any fighting between nations, or the races, unless by 'stopping fighting' you meant 'started a civil war'.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 09 mai 2012 - 12:37 .

[Urzon]

I'm guessing the balance idea could work. Once a kingdom (or race) got to powerful, the dragons would swoop down and roast that kingdom back to equality.The Taint on the other hand, is the wench in the machine. It is a complete unknown, that was able to taint the dragons and throw off the system, badly.

I'm crossing my fingers and hopeing that the Taint didn't come from a 3BE (Big Bad Behind Everything). One evil dark force/god behind the storyline, pulling all the strings, is way way overdone.

Modifié par Urzon, 09 mai 2012 - 11:54 .

[nightcobra]

there is something though... The magisters of old tried to conquer the golden city due to their belief that dumat told them to do so. My guess is that another entity pretending to be dumag ordered this action, a deceiver if you will, and that brings me to the elven pantheon of which the dread wolf is known for being a trickster god akin to loki. I think that this dread wolf might be the cause for the blights and the imprisionment of the remaining old gods, old gods that i believe flemmeth and her daughters are working towards unsealing them, either to hinder the dread wolf or for their own plans.


Or maybe i'm just crazy... That works too.

[ZtalkerRM]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

there is something though... The magisters of old tried to conquer the golden city due to their belief that dumat told them to do so. My guess is that another entity pretending to be dumag ordered this action, a deceiver if you will, and that brings me to the elven pantheon of which the dread wolf is known for being a trickster god akin to loki. I think that this dread wolf might be the cause for the blights and the imprisionment of the remaining old gods, old gods that i believe flemmeth and her daughters are working towards unsealing them, either to hinder the dread wolf or for their own plans.


Or maybe i'm just crazy... That works too.

No, you're not crazy. At leats, not as far as I can judge by your post.
When I heared about the Wolf God trapping both good and evil gods in their opposite realms, I thought there had to be a reason for this too. In the Elven story, they tell you the Wolf God could walk easily among both planes, so why bother? Perhaps to seal them, because their power was beginning to threaten 'life' in general.
When the Magisters tried to reach for the 'heavens' they touched the sealed 'evil' gods there and became Darkspawn, perhaps creating that 'breach' that allows an archdemon (or 'god') to get from it's heavenly prison to come down and kill us all. So you're right: He's somewhat responsible for it all, but putting the evil gods there in the first place.

This also means...good gods are sealed in the fiery place below as well....but how to get there so they can help us end the cycle?

Maybe the dwarves will one day dig deep enough and find it: A little elven kid that prodives them with three colour coded options to end the war with the Archdemons.

Modifié par ZtalkerRM, 09 mai 2012 - 12:43 .

[Zeroth Angel]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

there is something though... The magisters of old tried to conquer the golden city due to their belief that dumat told them to do so. My guess is that another entity pretending to be dumag ordered this action, a deceiver if you will, and that brings me to the elven pantheon of which the dread wolf is known for being a trickster god akin to loki. I think that this dread wolf might be the cause for the blights and the imprisionment of the remaining old gods, old gods that i believe flemmeth and her daughters are working towards unsealing them, either to hinder the dread wolf or for their own plans.


Or maybe i'm just crazy... That works too.

Maybe the dwarves will one day dig deep enough and find it: A little elven kid that prodives them with three colour coded options to end the war with the Archdemons.

Dragon Age Magic .

[Raonar]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Silfren wrote...

JimmyTheProthean wrote...

He might have used Grey Warden who's blood has royal ancestors?

He approached the Old God and woke it up.  No blood was used.

And even if it had been, how was the world at war? Much less Ferelden, which is where the Blight was. I fail to see how it stopped any fighting between nations, or the races, unless by 'stopping fighting' you meant 'started a civil war'.

I think we all should stop thinking that the genocide/war is just part of some third party's "good" agenda. When war and death and wretched diseases are considered the only means, or worse the "best" means, towards some unfathomable "good" or "balance", then the one in charge clearly shouldn't be there because he/she is either stupid or crazy, or both.

If he/she has enough power to control the Blights and their outcomes, then he/she has more than enough power to control the world in other ways and do real good. And the whole "must stay uninvolved in worldly concerns" thing cannot apply.  I fail to see how creating/causing blights/whatever qualifies as "not getting involved."

This is the main issue behind theories that the worst possible scenarios are "all part of a greater plan." Maybe they are, but it can't be a plan for good. Not if you expect anything in the universe to make sense. And even the "great evil plan" thing has an issue: wy isn't there a good side or why aren't they doing anything about it.

Besides "good is intrinsicaly dumb and/or inactive" which would be too painful a handwave (and has already been used with Fade Spirits, barring those who help Mages).

Modifié par Raonar, 09 mai 2012 - 03:54 .

[Silfren]

Sutekh wrote...

JimmyTheProthean wrote...

 About the truth about the Dragon Age world. It seems Dragons are privotal to the worlds existense they are literally the Blood that keeps the world flowing. It is also revealed that it might be possible that each Archdemon is released when a great crisis strikes Thedas it unites the humans,dwarfes and elves together and makes sure no one country or race gets to powerfull. It's also known now that Dragons possibly the Archdemons are awakened by the blood of important royal families such as Marics blood and Alistairs. Dragon Age 3 is going to get really interesting.

Either I misread the whole thing, my memory's failing me or we didn't read the same thing, because I certainly didn't draw that many conclusions, especially about the Archdemons.

(as for it resembling the ME plot or not, I don't care. Haven't played it and probably never will).

I'm with you.  I don't think JimmyTheProthean read the same comic we did, because there's no mention of archdemons, and nothing pertaining to dragons or archdemons is revealed at all.  Nor is it "known" that archdemons are awakened by royal blood.  We know how they're awakened, and royal blood has nothing to do with it.

[Silfren]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

there is something though... The magisters of old tried to conquer the golden city due to their belief that dumat told them to do so. My guess is that another entity pretending to be dumag ordered this action, a deceiver if you will, and that brings me to the elven pantheon of which the dread wolf is known for being a trickster god akin to loki. I think that this dread wolf might be the cause for the blights and the imprisionment of the remaining old gods, old gods that i believe flemmeth and her daughters are working towards unsealing them, either to hinder the dread wolf or for their own plans.


Or maybe i'm just crazy... That works too.

No, you're not crazy. At leats, not as far as I can judge by your post.
When I heared about the Wolf God trapping both good and evil gods in their opposite realms, I thought there had to be a reason for this too. In the Elven story, they tell you the Wolf God could walk easily among both planes, so why bother? Perhaps to seal them, because their power was beginning to threaten 'life' in general.
When the Magisters tried to reach for the 'heavens' they touched the sealed 'evil' gods there and became Darkspawn, perhaps creating that 'breach' that allows an archdemon (or 'god') to get from it's heavenly prison to come down and kill us all. So you're right: He's somewhat responsible for it all, but putting the evil gods there in the first place.

This also means...good gods are sealed in the fiery place below as well....but how to get there so they can help us end the cycle?

Maybe the dwarves will one day dig deep enough and find it: A little elven kid that prodives them with three colour coded options to end the war with the Archdemons.

The lore does indicate that the Elven Gods were at war with each other--the good Gods with the Forgotten Ones, so it can be interpreted that the Dread Wolf was trying to preserve balance by sealing each group away.  But there are some slight issues with your interpretation. The Gods were locked into the heavens while the Forgotten Ones were trapped in the Abyss--the evil Gods weren't trapped in the heavens, and the benign Gods weren't sealed in "the fiery place below," at least not by the game's lore.  If you're alluding to Hell, that is your interpretation, because the game make no reference to a Hell analagous to the real-world one of Christianity, but even if you're not, the lore doesn't state that the good Gods were placed below the earth or the evil ones in the heavens.   And we already know for a fact that the archdemons are sealed in prisons within the earth and don't bother anyone until they're awakened by darkspawn (which is the point where they BECOME archdemons, so we're led to believe), which destroys your theory that the archdemons come from the heavens above.

[Uccio]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Its a very cryptic comic, doesn't tell us anything really.(BioWare loves being cryptic) I'm actually more interested in the end when Alistair stabs Yavana & wondering what the consequences of that will be. Did he do good or bad for the world? Will Flemeth be pissed at him?

Wat? Alistair mr goody-two-shoes, "save everyone", goes all Murder Knife and stabbs someone to death?

[Silfren]

Ukki wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Its a very cryptic comic, doesn't tell us anything really.(BioWare loves being cryptic) I'm actually more interested in the end when Alistair stabs Yavana & wondering what the consequences of that will be. Did he do good or bad for the world? Will Flemeth be pissed at him?

Wat? Alistair mr goody-two-shoes, "save everyone", goes all Murder Knife and stabbs someone to death?

It would be nice if people paid attention to the fact this is a No Spoilers Allowed forum...

[LolaLei]

Ukki wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

Its a very cryptic comic, doesn't tell us anything really.(BioWare loves being cryptic) I'm actually more interested in the end when Alistair stabs Yavana & wondering what the consequences of that will be. Did he do good or bad for the world? Will Flemeth be pissed at him?

Wat? Alistair mr goody-two-shoes, "save everyone", goes all Murder Knife and stabbs someone to death?

*Shrugs* maybe she reminded him of Morrigan and all the times she used to tease him lol. Bless him.

[NKKKK]

A witch of the Wilds doesn't die easily. Romanceable party member in DA3 go!

[Rorschachinstein]

Silfren wrote...

ZtalkerRM wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

there is something though... The magisters of old tried to conquer the golden city due to their belief that dumat told them to do so. My guess is that another entity pretending to be dumag ordered this action, a deceiver if you will, and that brings me to the elven pantheon of which the dread wolf is known for being a trickster god akin to loki. I think that this dread wolf might be the cause for the blights and the imprisionment of the remaining old gods, old gods that i believe flemmeth and her daughters are working towards unsealing them, either to hinder the dread wolf or for their own plans.


Or maybe i'm just crazy... That works too.

No, you're not crazy. At leats, not as far as I can judge by your post.
When I heared about the Wolf God trapping both good and evil gods in their opposite realms, I thought there had to be a reason for this too. In the Elven story, they tell you the Wolf God could walk easily among both planes, so why bother? Perhaps to seal them, because their power was beginning to threaten 'life' in general.
When the Magisters tried to reach for the 'heavens' they touched the sealed 'evil' gods there and became Darkspawn, perhaps creating that 'breach' that allows an archdemon (or 'god') to get from it's heavenly prison to come down and kill us all. So you're right: He's somewhat responsible for it all, but putting the evil gods there in the first place.

This also means...good gods are sealed in the fiery place below as well....but how to get there so they can help us end the cycle?

Maybe the dwarves will one day dig deep enough and find it: A little elven kid that prodives them with three colour coded options to end the war with the Archdemons.

The lore does indicate that the Elven Gods were at war with each other--the good Gods with the Forgotten Ones, so it can be interpreted that the Dread Wolf was trying to preserve balance by sealing each group away.  But there are some slight issues with your interpretation. The Gods were locked into the heavens while the Forgotten Ones were trapped in the Abyss--the evil Gods weren't trapped in the heavens, and the benign Gods weren't sealed in "the fiery place below," at least not by the game's lore.  If you're alluding to Hell, that is your interpretation, because the game make no reference to a Hell analagous to the real-world one of Christianity, but even if you're not, the lore doesn't state that the good Gods were placed below the earth or the evil ones in the heavens.   And we already know for a fact that the archdemons are sealed in prisons within the earth and don't bother anyone until they're awakened by darkspawn (which is the point where they BECOME archdemons, so we're led to believe), which destroys your theory that the archdemons come from the heavens above.

Doesn't Merrill say that the Good gods are in DA hell, and the bad ones are in DA heaven.


Maybe black city was actually golden before the forgotten ones were sealed in there.

[Windninja47]

Yo dog I heard you don't want to be killed by organics so I've created some organics to kill you to stop you being killed by organics.

Also, the comics aren't cannon, Alistair can be dead.

Modifié par Windninja47, 24 mai 2012 - 12:18 .

[PsychoBlonde]

The only real interesting bit in Silent Grove is that one of the characters mentions a time "before the Veil". IF this is true, then what brought the Veil about? How long ago was this? Were demons and spirits free to roam the world prior to this? If they weren't struggling to gain access to the world by corrupting people, could you really consider those ancient demons to be demons? Were demons and spirits *created* by the creation of the Veil?

[Urzon]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

The only real interesting bit in Silent Grove is that one of the characters mentions a time "before the Veil". IF this is true, then what brought the Veil about? How long ago was this? Were demons and spirits free to roam the world prior to this? If they weren't struggling to gain access to the world by corrupting people, could you really consider those ancient demons to be demons? Were demons and spirits *created* by the creation of the Veil?

That by far, is one of the most interesting things. Does that mean, before the Veil, that the phyiscal realm had direct with the Fade, or was the Fade and the phyiscal realm a single realm long ago? Not to mention, if the phyiscal realm had a direct connection to the Fade; did that mean that everyone had magic or some type of magical power?

Now that i think about it, that reminds me alot of Sandal's prophecy. I wonder if someone is going to tear down the Veil, and return Thedas too what it once was. That would make sense if they are implying that the Veil is artifical, or some type of construct some being put up.

Whether they put it up for good or ill, we can't tell until it happens...

[NasChoka]

@ukki it didn't make sense to me either. Maybe being king made him insane like Loghain

[MissOuJ]

Urzon wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

The only real interesting bit in Silent Grove is that one of the characters mentions a time "before the Veil". IF this is true, then what brought the Veil about? How long ago was this? Were demons and spirits free to roam the world prior to this? If they weren't struggling to gain access to the world by corrupting people, could you really consider those ancient demons to be demons? Were demons and spirits *created* by the creation of the Veil?

That by far, is one of the most interesting things. Does that mean, before the Veil, that the phyiscal realm had direct with the Fade, or was the Fade and the phyiscal realm a single realm long ago? Not to mention, if the phyiscal realm had a direct connection to the Fade; did that mean that everyone had magic or some type of magical power?

Now that i think about it, that reminds me alot of Sandal's prophecy. I wonder if someone is going to tear down the Veil, and return Thedas too what it once was. That would make sense if they are implying that the Veil is artifical, or some type of construct some being put up.

Whether they put it up for good or ill, we can't tell until it happens...

Ohh, good catch! That'd be an interesting conclusion to the Mage-Templar War at least: everybody becoming a mage of some sort!

On the other hand, there was probably a reason why the Veil was created/made/came into being...

[Urzon]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

As I understand it the veil was created when the Maker created the second world. The one s/he made when s/he wasn't satisfied with the first world.
The veil is there to separate the two, so it cannot be crossed at will by all creatures. Magic users can cross it with their mind and creatures from the fade can cross it while entering dreams/mages.
Ergo there wasn't a veil before the second world was created. Maybe this was being referred to.

Copied this from Wiki:


Regardless, the act of passing through the Veil is much more about changing one's perceptions than a physical transition. The Veil is an idea, it is the act of transition itself, and it is only the fact that both living beings and spirits find the transition difficult that gives the Veil any credence as a physical barrier at all.
--From A Dissertation on the Fade as a Physical Manifestation, by Mareno, Senior Enchanter of the MinrathousCircle of Magi, 6:55 Steel.

It would be hard to get proof that the Maker was actually the one that made the Veil. No one was there to witness the making of it, other than maybe dragons as Yavana would have us believe. That would imply though, that there was a time when the two worlds weren't separated. The dragons ruled the mortal realm (or at least the skys of it) for a time, but the Veil came to be and it all changed.

That would mean it was put there by something, or maybe some bizarre natural magical phenomena. One that has lasted and been there for so long, we don't know any different.

Though that codex from the Wiki is fascinating.... but I don't buy it.

I can understand it in someways, but how does it explain the fact; you can weaken the Veil in areas if it's simply an idea? Much less, how are people able to fix tears in the Veil if it just an idea?

Modifié par Urzon, 25 mai 2012 - 11:36 .