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[Jwade86]

 What do you guys think? You think bioware will make something to allow every decision you make in DA:O be canon? Or, are they going to make another game thats like 100 years from then and have everything you did be destroyed anyway?

[MatronAdena]

well, They are pulling it off in ME2 ( then three) and those have about as many little, to major choices as DA. I can't see any reason other than story reasons as to why they can't just continue on, perhaps 2, 3 years after the death of the archdemon, and have the choices play out.

[Jwade86]

I just don't know how. With so many choices that effect the game. I don't understand how they could do it. Its like they would have to make 12 different versions of the same game, and make dialog for chars that could have had the option to be killed. I just imagine it would be a huge strain on development power.

[Darth_Trethon]

When speaking of canon....there is only one and only if bioware declares one.....that would only entail one origin and one set of choices. So to answer your question no....nothing we do is canon...at least not as far as anyone else is concerned since they make their own different choices.



Nonetheless I do not believe a canon will ever be declared for this game because that's not how bioware works. You'll either be asked at the start of the second game about what went on in the first to decide how your story will continue or it will automatically read your DAO saves the way ME2 will read ME saves.

[MatronAdena]

aye, with as many as they have I think it would be as well...but a trend with Bioware I noticed is they love to build upon an idea and perfect it to a point it no longer becomes a " selling gimmick point" but becomes a standard feature. I'm sure they are watching to see how players react to the choices carried over into ME2 play out and use that company wide on other titles, including DA. All and all I have no doubt they could do it. Im sure they have a massive white board for a wall in the think tank with the choices, and webbing it out from there so they know what choices will carry over into a DA2, or a DA3, and which ones resolved completely and forgotten in DA:O.

[SinYang]

A dev has said already in another thread that any future game *wont* be set at the next blight (100yrs).

If its same main character then, it cant be too long after Origins.. with a 30yr timelimit^

I doubt your actions will matter either, as has been said.. just too many variables... any sequel will follow what bioware have in mind for us. BG2 was no different.. I cant say Minsc etc were in my choosen BG1 party at all. Its really not a big deal.

[Valmy]

If there is a 'Canon' DA:O like there was a 'Canon' BG well that would suck because then I would have to play it again and make all the 'Canon' choices just for their to be continuity with the next game.

[ExistsAlready]

Welcome to Dragon Age 2



Did you:

A. Kill all the Mages?

-or-

B. Kill all the Mages because that's how this one plays out?

[Statulos]

BG was constrained because it was basicaly part of something older and bigger called Forgotten Realms that actually HAS a canon.



Dragon Age is basicaly what Bioware wants it to be so well, I hope that the "transation system" in ME2 works well enough to apply an even better version of it to DA.

[Ninjatroll]

All depends on what they are planing for DA2.



If DA2 is not set in Ferelden then several of the choices will probably not matter anyway. They might be referenced in some dialogue but I doubt that the specific Daelish clan in DA:O will have any impact on the sequel so it doesn't rely matter how you solved it. Same goes for the Mage tower, it could easily be rebuilt but unless they intend to use the same characters it wont be that much of a problem.



If your character died then it won't matter since you wont import that character anyway and will start on a new one. The only things I see as a major problem is if Alistar is King/not King/Dead or if Morrigan has the demon child or not. With some creative writing however they can probably make it work. It could also easily work as the origins in this game. Give you a starting point that all lead to the same main game after a few hours.



And remember BG2 started as if you had Imoen, Dynaheir, Minsc, Jaheira and Khalid in your company, even if all of them died dead in your BG game. They might have to make some decisions that wont work for all characters to write the story they want to tell.

[Statulos]

As long as I can import all my party; and with it, get massive mages with my pc, Morrigan or Wynne, get massive rogues with Leliana and Zevran, I will be happy. Yeah, I love power gaming , but considering the game autolevelling, that shouldn´t be an issue.

[Jwade86]

Ah, them just making a few things canon makes since to me. But I can't help but wonder how the Alistar king thing will work. I made him king in my game, so I mean how is bioware going to blow off a whole era of a king? It could just work like Fallout and you make a bunch of changes and it don't even matter in the next game because its based in a completely different area.

[soteria]

To me the most likely scenario is a game set in Orlais or elsewhere, possibly involving Morrigan and her child, with other NPCs making cameos.

[ckriley]

MatronAdena wrote...

well, They are pulling it off in ME2 ( then three) and those have about as many little, to major choices as DA. I can't see any reason other than story reasons as to why they can't just continue on, perhaps 2, 3 years after the death of the archdemon, and have the choices play out.

This would all be true if it weren't for one small, yet major detail.  You have the option of having a child with Morrigan.  That's like huge.  Even if you played a female character, you can persuade Alistair to lay with her.  And I'm not sure which decision by the PC would be considered canon.

Truth be told, playing a male character and romancing Morrigan segues nicely into the Dark Ritual.  I could see how my character and Morrigan truly cared for each other.  Not only did Morrigan admit this, but even Wynne finally came around and said she could see there was true feeling between the two.  And that sometimes she would catch Morrigan smiling to herself as she watched the male PC.

It's totally believable to me that my male PC would want a child with Morrigan, even though he'd be unsure of what to make of a demon child.   But I can see how my character would think, "This might be my only link to Morrigan and a way to track her down after the final battle."

In fact, after you kill the archdemon and are at the celebration, Anora (if you chose her as queen) will ask you what you intend to do now.  One of your dialogue options is "I intend to find Morrigan."

The story then takes on a much more personal and human tone.  And it has awesome written all over it.  The new prince-consort and one day king of Ferelden, the great hero and savior of the land and possibly the most powerful Grey Warden in Thedas has a dark secret.  He is the father of a god child that could very well grow up to be another archdemon or possibly something even more powerful.  And you know this will come back to haunt not only him, but all of Ferelden.

That has Beowulf (the movie) written all over it.  The savior who cheated fate to make his own destiny.  But in so doing, may have doomed his people.

And at the end of the first game, the PC goes off to find her and the child.  If you played the game this way, then the wrap-up cards at the end say that Morrigan disappeared...for now.  Clearly alluding to the fact that your paths will cross again someday.

Yet as epic as I think this all is, many people didn't play the game that way and may not think it's even a good story, let alone epic.  For this reason, I think any sequel to DAO will take place hundreds of years later, ala the Fable series.  There's just too many outcomes and variations to choose which ones are canon.  For as much as I like the storyline that I chose, many others probably feel just as strongly about theirs.

It's hard to canonize anything, really.  Safest thing to do is to just start over with a new character.

[Faerell Gustani]

I think, if they had wanted to cannonize everything, they would have made the game more like a "pulp fiction" of the 6 different origins. Now that would be awesome. Create 6 characters each of different origins, and have them all in the same game.

Modifié par Faerell Gustani, 08 décembre 2009 - 11:01 .

[Avaraen]

ckriley wrote...

MatronAdena wrote...

well, They are pulling it off in ME2 ( then three) and those have about as many little, to major choices as DA. I can't see any reason other than story reasons as to why they can't just continue on, perhaps 2, 3 years after the death of the archdemon, and have the choices play out.

This would all be true if it weren't for one small, yet major detail.  You have the option of having a child with Morrigan.  That's like huge.  Even if you played a female character, you can persuade Alistair to lay with her.  And I'm not sure which decision by the PC would be considered canon.

Or Morrigan bewitched the (male) PC, Alistair, or Loghain and got pregnant that night without anyone's knowledge. She turned into a bird and was nearby when the archdemon was slain. To avoid anyone wondering why the slayer didn't die, she used a spell to kill the slayer herself. So the demon child still exists, just no one but her knows it. XD

Silliness aside, I hope we see true continuity like I'm hearing about with ME2... esp if it means I get to play the same PC(s) and continue on in some of the romances & friendships (as long as Bioware doesn't get cheesy and kill them all off in the interim just to avoid the complications).

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Whilst I would like to see our choices making an impact on any future game if need be. I can imagine it would be rather hard for the writers to do anymore novels for events that take place between 'The Final Battle' and the new game/story unless they have no mention of Ferelden or any of the major characters in it.



The ending of DAO really did leave it open for the future, either player content or official expansions/sequels. There is still at most 70 years of the Dragon Age for plenty of stories to continue/end.



I reckon a sequel could possibly have chance for the player to reclaim the role of their PC, or if their PC sacrificed themselves take on a new character.



Though I actually think it will be a completely new character, whilst the darkspawn are still a threat I can't see them being the major part of a sequels story like they were the first because it is very unlikely (a billion to one odds) that another Blight will occur. So it wouldn't really need a 'Warden' to be the 'Hero'.



That said, even if we aren't playing the same character, our decisions affected Ferelden and even if it isn't set there, some things would need to remain as 'our storys canon' (or not if you don't want to) in a follow up if bioware were going to go down the same route with this as ME.



If they keep the Warden in it, I wouldn't be surprised if the next story takes place in either Anderfels or Orlais, former due its big connection with the Wardens (maybe get to see Weisshaupt Fortress), latter due to the obvious connections to the first. Other reasoning would be that players could create new dwarves and this time start in Kal Sharok which is in the mountains between the two aforementioned places and of course one of the epilogue texts for Morrigan had her in the royal courts of the latter.



To answer the OP, that is really entirely in Biowares hands, I'd like to think they continue with their trend they have started with ME and allow us to shape it to be our story otherwise imo it kind of makes the first game a bit pointless if our decisions don't carry over.

[Jwade86]

MatronAdena wrote...

In fact, after you kill the archdemon and are at the celebration, Anora (if you chose her as queen) will ask you what you intend to do now.  One of your dialogue options is "I intend to find Morrigan."

It does the same if you pick my boy Alistar. But anyway my story was exactly the same as yours and I hope this is the story they use. It would be awesome to play as your son. They could have Morrigan use the general term "Grey Warden" To describe your dad. God that would be sweet.

Modifié par Jwade86, 08 décembre 2009 - 11:12 .

[Jwade86]

Sorry the bottom part i wrote. lol i cant figure out the quote thing.

Edit: I fixed it.

Modifié par Jwade86, 08 décembre 2009 - 11:13 .

[taliefer]

ive always figured its a forgone conclusion that DA2 will take place in a different timeframe, with only references to your actions. just waaayyy too much stuff that can be completly different from playthrough to playthrough.



pretty much think the only overarching storyline will be the Maker, the Fade, and the old gods and the truth about them and the darkspawn. and maybe the grey wardens. other than that, the PC and characters in each game will be an all new cast.



for example, i did the dark ritual, because my human noble was in love with morrigan. im expecting the only thing that will carry over from that, is a footnote from future grey wardens, that i died while looking for her. and the fate of morrigan and the "demon baby" will be ambiguous at best.