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Understanding the Ending - Walters' Notes & Indoctrination


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#126
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To me, it's not about happy or sad or bittersweet. Nor is it about a wide variety. I just wanted something that fit the atmosphere and structure of what Mass Effect had. I didn't want Matrix stuff overly explained or even expanded upon. Neither did I want the entire plot and lore to get turned on its head then transformed. This is why I don't buy into anything past Anderson/TIM confrontation. Yes, the scene and many things before it were flawed (heavily at times even, har!) but at least it all felt familiar; grounded within the same world or universe. I can accept what ME3 got downgraded to after those early scripts from November 2011, but any and all things involving the Hall of Derp Room on the Citadel are non-existant to me.

Though I liked that they're trying to fix the reapers' role by shooing the Leviathans into that characterisation of mystique and power, I hated the fact that they still tried to play clean up with the mess they wrote themselves into with the RGB.

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"But why did he have to die? LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE"
Lol we were trolled hard, even the writers don't know wtf the ending is

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ghost9191

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well i guess if your going to end a trilogy ...

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wait, that picture of the notes is real?

Modifié par futurepixels, 06 novembre 2012 - 04:19 .


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ghost9191

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98% sure it is . more to it , missing some of the top

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spirosz wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arcian wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

http://imageshack.us...5/33611897.jpg/

I don't think a note has ever made me as angry as this one does.


you b*tch and moan the most about the writing. nobody cares.


It seems your statement is false, since I care.  Ouch. 


Then you are both pretty whiny and pathetic.

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futurepixels wrote...

wait, that picture of the notes is real?


Posted Image

#133
dorktainian

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OP..... wow spot on. give yourself a pat on the back. woop.

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It was stupid in the Matrix and it's stupid now.

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And we all know how popular the Architect character in the Matrix was.

It's amazing that they went with something so nonsenical for Mass Effect too, especially given that it seemed doomed to fail from the start.

It still saddens me how much devastation that did to the Mass Effect franchise.

Modifié par Bathaius, 06 novembre 2012 - 11:01 .


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OniTYME wrote...

To me, it's not about happy or sad or bittersweet. Nor is it about a wide variety. I just wanted something that fit the atmosphere and structure of what Mass Effect had.


I think we all did, but people will always claim we were upset because we didn't get rainbows and ponies.  *sigh*

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BatmanTurian wrote...

spirosz wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arcian wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

http://imageshack.us...5/33611897.jpg/

I don't think a note has ever made me as angry as this one does.


you b*tch and moan the most about the writing. nobody cares.


It seems your statement is false, since I care.  Ouch. 


Then you are both pretty whiny and pathetic.


Your statement however remains false because I care aswell

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Applepie_Svk wrote...

Destroy is supporting Catalyst´s main issue and that´s the absurdity of co-existence betwen organics and synthetics, you are willing to sacrifice synthetics in order to defeat Reapers thru this choice you simply proving that synthetics have lesser value then organics in general, simply said you are proving Catalyst´s agenda - but only because it´s tailored in this way like Pyrrhic victory in OC.

As in Control I would say that Catalyst will be still alive but he took a dunno essence or whatever in order to finally understand what he should do long ago with his first programming, which is ironycal when he turned against own creators because he always failed in original programming.

And for synthesis, it´s far away from compromise - it´s desire of main antagonist - you simply rape both synthetics and organics under some weird assumption that they will stop killing each other, but why they would do that ? Or better questions is why we must pick this option when by Catalyst is it now inevitable ? IF synthesis is realy so called space magic without harm then this even wouldn´t harm relationship betwen all sides and you have still conflcits betwen all fractions, only thing which we can see is some green skined utopy galaxy with lot of hugs and love...

And well Refuse, it´s maybe moral victory but painful one...


maybe that's the whole point. We re gonna find a way ourselves to coexist with synthetic life. on our terms. in the future. We can always rebuild and remake synthetic life. Synthetic life anyway shares a common way of thinking eternally in the ME series (except the reapers).

Of course is a matrix dilemma (trilemma). The synthesis guy above must understand that this can be a face value interpretation as well (alhtough I still believe that neither synthesis or control will really happen in any mass effect future)

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Bathaius wrote...

And we all know how popular the Architect character in the Matrix was.

It's amazing that they went with something so nonsenical for Mass Effect too, especially given that it seemed doomed to fail from the start.

It still saddens me how much devastation that did to the Mass Effect franchise.


It seems the lesson to take away from here is that when you look to a movie for inspiration on how to end your game, make sure that it's a GOOD movie.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 06 novembre 2012 - 11:47 .


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FlamingBoy wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

spirosz wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arcian wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

http://imageshack.us...5/33611897.jpg/

I don't think a note has ever made me as angry as this one does.


you b*tch and moan the most about the writing. nobody cares.


It seems your statement is false, since I care.  Ouch. 


Then you are both pretty whiny and pathetic.


Your statement however remains false because I care aswell


Still whiny pathetic people after 8 months. " Oh my god the writing was terrible!" Yeah, we know the writing wasn't all that great at some parts, but to endlessly drone on about it is asinine.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Still whiny pathetic people after 8 months. " Oh my god the writing was terrible!" Yeah, we know the writing wasn't all that great at some parts, but to endlessly drone on about it is asinine.


Don't you still believe that the ending is all a dream?:wizard::wizard:

Think of the speculations! This is what they wanted!! Controversy. They took the Eric Bischoff route to stardom. The same route taken by so many great pioneers:

- Jersey Shore
- Paris Hilton
- Lindsey Lohan
- Honey Boo Boo
- LOST

I could go on, I think if one thing is absolute is that the more a product angers people the more popular it will become.

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Good to see this thread hasn't been remotely derailed...

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HYR 2.0 wrote...

Still don't see how the Matrix thing disproves face-value interpretation.


... er, anyone??

Please don't tell me that one pitiful response is all I get. :(

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Ithurael wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Still whiny pathetic people after 8 months. " Oh my god the writing was terrible!" Yeah, we know the writing wasn't all that great at some parts, but to endlessly drone on about it is asinine.


Don't you still believe that the ending is all a dream?:wizard::wizard:

Think of the speculations! This is what they wanted!! Controversy. They took the Eric Bischoff route to stardom. The same route taken by so many great pioneers:

- Jersey Shore
- Paris Hilton
- Lindsey Lohan
- Honey Boo Boo
- LOST

I could go on, I think if one thing is absolute is that the more a product angers people the more popular it will become.


Davik Kang wrote...

Good to see this thread hasn't been remotely derailed...


<_<:pinched:;):happy::lol:^_^:whistle:

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Ne-Ne-Ne-Necro thread!!!!

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TSA_383 wrote...

To be honest, as much as we all **** now, if they came out tomorrow with an EC that ran along these lines, with some big epic twist and shepard & crew standing against the reapers for a final battle, the fans would worship Bioware as gods.


They already came out with an EC

It expanded on the existing endings, nothing else. Why would they release another?

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Ithurael wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Still whiny pathetic people after 8 months. " Oh my god the writing was terrible!" Yeah, we know the writing wasn't all that great at some parts, but to endlessly drone on about it is asinine.


Don't you still believe that the ending is all a dream?:wizard::wizard:

Think of the speculations! This is what they wanted!! Controversy. They took the Eric Bischoff route to stardom. The same route taken by so many great pioneers:

- Jersey Shore
- Paris Hilton
- Lindsey Lohan
- Honey Boo Boo
- LOST

I could go on, I think if one thing is absolute is that the more a product angers people the more popular it will become.


What they didn't want is idiots droning on and on about bad writing. Clearly there was good writing up until the end or you wouldn't have played the games, people. But whatever. I've made my point.

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HYR 2.0 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Still don't see how the Matrix thing disproves face-value interpretation.


... er, anyone??

Please don't tell me that one pitiful response is all I get. :(


Keep on believing it's real. I'm sure Bioware's examples of ending games with a non-real ending and their history of trolling their players is irrelevant.

#149
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so... TL:DR they mashed deus ex and matrix endings together instead of acually writing something
creative and genuinely not copied of someone else.

i guess thats whats passed of as art these days roflmao

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Too bad they couldn't rip off the premise from a good movie.