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[Afalstein]

Am I the only one who was severely underwhelmed by Kai Leng's performance?  Okay, he shows up, he battles Thane in a pretty awesome fight, he crashes your ride, etc.  Anderson warns you about him, Miranda expresses surprise he's still alive and warns you about him, this guy is serious business by all accounts.

And then you actually fight him on Thessia and... nothing.  The guy needs a freaking GUNSHIP to cover him while he recharges.  Seriously?  That's like saying "oof, I'm tired,  take over a sec while I rest."  In the end it's not even him that beats you, it's the gunship, which blows up most of the temple floor.  Seriously, did they need Leng at ALL for that mission?

When he shows up again in the Cerberus base, he's not a whole lot better.  Again with the "cover me while I recharge" thing.  He's fighting a team of three and he needs to call in four different Cerberus squads just to die? Seriously?  He can't even stab a seated Shepard.

I get that there's limited AI for the enemies, and honestly I was impressed at how intelligent most of the Cerberus soldiers were, but after all the hype Kai Leng got, he just felt like such a letdown.  I suppose it would have been more impressive if he'd immediately incapacitated whatever teammates you had upon entering the battle... that would at least establish that he was better than them.

[NoUserNameHere]

He's... underwelming, even if you haven't read Retribution. Even if you read Deception and assume the worst, he is horribly underutilized.

[Raiil]

He was there to be a badass.


He failed miserably.


The only thing he's good for was unleashing my rage when I finally curbstomped the son of a b---h and then force fed him Omni-blade flakes.

[HellbirdIV]

His boss fights are just awful, too. The button I pressed most when fighting him on Cronos station on Insanity was "Cover", because I had to keep moving from cover to cover to avoid getting insta-killed while my teammates sloooowly whittled him down.

It seems that Bioware forgot that boss fights aren't fun because they are difficult, they are fun because they are challenging. Those are two very, very different things. It's not much of a boss-fight when I have to spend 90% of it running away from the boss because of ****ty programming.

[111987]

I think it's an unresolvable problem in video games. It's so hard to present a villain as some super powerful badass if you eventually face him in-game. It reminds me of Albert Wesker in Resident Evil 5; he totally stomps the hell out of Chris and Sheva in the cutscenes, but is laughably easy during game play.

[grey_wind]

The most hilarious (and saddest) part is that BioWare seemed to be on the right track with LOTSB where boss fights and making cool villainous characters were concerned. But the fights with Kai Leng are so poorly done they make the Human Reaper and Froggy Saren seem like the pinnacles of game design. In terms of character, even Refund Guy comes off as more badass than him.

Modifié par grey_wind, 08 mai 2012 - 05:58 .

[Armass81]

Evil Raiden is good but against 3 veterans, one of them being the Mary Sue " I can kill everything the galaxy throws at me" Shepard, he is still at disadvantage without some kind of back up. Of course as a villain hes one dimensional, Tims attack dog basically. As a villain you love to hate tough he works.

Saren was better than him by miles, tough.

Modifié par Armass81, 08 mai 2012 - 06:06 .

[NoUserNameHere]

111987 wrote...

I think it's an unresolvable problem in video games. It's so hard to present a villain as some super powerful badass if you eventually face him in-game. It reminds me of Albert Wesker in Resident Evil 5; he totally stomps the hell out of Chris and Sheva in the cutscenes, but is laughably easy during game play.

Saren pulled it off pretty well. Your final boss preview with him ended in a decided draw (and a cool conversation re: your opposing moralities.)

The leaked script had a much deadlier, much cooler Kai  Leng. He stabs Shep in the back  with alien rebar!

[sporeian]

What Bioware wanted us to think: Kai Leng: He's been one of the most vicious and brutal enemies I've faced to date, and its time to take him down once and for all

What we really thought: What a douche, can't wait to see him die.

[111987]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

111987 wrote...

I think it's an unresolvable problem in video games. It's so hard to present a villain as some super powerful badass if you eventually face him in-game. It reminds me of Albert Wesker in Resident Evil 5; he totally stomps the hell out of Chris and Sheva in the cutscenes, but is laughably easy during game play.

Saren pulled it off pretty well. Your final boss preview with him ended in a decided draw (and a cool conversation re: your opposing moralities.)

The leaked script had a much deadlier, much cooler Kai  Leng. He stabs Shep in the back  with alien rebar!

Yeah but Saren was only a threat in the cutscenes. In actual gameplay he is an absolute breeze, which is my entire point.

And yeah, I wish the rebar scene was still in the game.

[Raiil]

This is what pretty much happened. Transpose Thane with Kirrahe if you need to.

[grey_wind]

111987 wrote...

I think it's an unresolvable problem in video games. It's so hard to present a villain as some super powerful badass if you eventually face him in-game. It reminds me of Albert Wesker in Resident Evil 5; he totally stomps the hell out of Chris and Sheva in the cutscenes, but is laughably easy during game play.

Kai Leng. however, is laughable even in cutscenes. The only people he's able to kill are Salarians and a dying Drell with respiratory problems (after getting his ass kicked), and it requires two completely unrelated people to die in two completely unrelated incidents for him to succeed at his job (killing the Salarian Councillor). The other problem is, that rather than come across as badass in cutscenes, everybody else just comes across as incompetent instead so he can accomplish something.

[Ticonderoga117]

Yeah, he's overhyped. On the Citadel Shep could've squished his augmented butt when he's riding the top of the police aircar against one of those overhangs.

Then when facing him on Thessia: *KL moves 3 feet* *A clip of Black Widow shot emptied into him* "Cover me while I recharge!" Repeat.

Same thing for Cronus base.

Quite sad really.

[Afalstein]

It would be better even if the cutscene on Thessia had had him beat you single-handedly on Thessia, instead of calling in the gunship to do his work for him. Saren beat down your squad and nearly strangled you on your first meeting, and he didn't need no stinking gunship.

[Cypher_CS]

Kai Leng sucks.
And I think I know why. In this case, the Combat Designer who worked on ME2 didn't work on this one. I'm specifically referring to the girl who created Tela Vasir.
Now THAT was an exemplar of fun combat.

[Ticonderoga117]

Cypher_CS wrote...

Kai Leng sucks.
And I think I know why. In this case, the Combat Designer who worked on ME2 didn't work on this one. I'm specifically referring to the girl who created Tela Vasir.
Now THAT was an exemplar of fun combat.

Yeah, she actually felt tough. KL felt more like a shooting range target.

[wickedgoodreed]

Cypher_CS wrote...

Kai Leng sucks.
And I think I know why. In this case, the Combat Designer who worked on ME2 didn't work on this one. I'm specifically referring to the girl who created Tela Vasir.
Now THAT was an exemplar of fun combat.

My vanguard wished she could be like Tela Vasir. That really was a fun boss battle.

Although, now that I think about it, Vasir did have her own version of  "I need to recharge." She also called in lots of backup. But for some reason, when Kai Leng does the same it comes across as so much more obnoxious.

[Hadeedak]

I have to say... I was a bit disapointed with the actual fight. Mostly because it was like

Garrus: Trust Cerberus to bring a knife to a gun fight!
Kai Leng: Shut up!
Vanguard Shep: THIS KNIFE FIGHT IS NOW A FIST FIGHT. CHARGE.

And concluded with "WHO IS THE BEST N7? IT IS SHEPARD." I wanted to love to hate him. But I wound up just using him as a punching bag, and it sort of felt like that's what Shepard was doing every time they got close, too.

In conclusion, Thane's still a better assassin. Neener neener, psuedoNightwing.

[EsterCloat]

In that fight against Kai Leng on Thessia, and in the Cerberus base as well, they really should have dropped the whole recharging shields thing and just made his shields really really huge. That way it's not a matter of just dropping his shields over and over and him recharging like a weakling as a gunship covers him but a matter of this guy actually being powerful enough as to take your attacks over and over again with no problem. Once you've taken out his obscene amount of shields, and possibly armor, he does the whole explosion thing and recharges his shields back to full and then the cutscene happens. That way it doesn't seem like you're kicking his butt during the previous battle but instead this guy just getting bored of you.

Speaking of the gunship, just get rid of it completely(well, maybe until the cutscene where Kai Leng calls it in to blow out the supports). Kai Leng looks weak with that thing covering him. Instead I'd have given Kai Leng a machine gun that basically did the same amount of damage as the gunship's turret just to make Kai Leng seem more dangerous, though he'd only shoot it at the same intervals as the gunship does in the actual game. Kai Leng also needed to stealth in battle. No idea why he wouldn't.

Just a few changes I thought would have made Kai Leng seem as dangerous as he's supposed to be.

[EnvyTB075]

Hes a Space Ninja, of course hes over-hyped and absolutely impossible to take seriously.

The pony tail cements my position.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 08 mai 2012 - 07:10 .

[goofyomnivore]

He was just a stupid Saturday morning cartoon villain with the depth of a mud puddle. Outside of the ending he is by far the worst piece of writing in the series.

[Geneaux486]

I saw Kai Leng as someone who was at his strongest when he had the element of surprise. He's good at sneaking around, doing quick kills with that sword of his, and acrobatics, but in a straight up fight he handled himself about as well as I had expected he would. He had to call in that gunship because his stealth capabilities were ineffective against my vanguard beating the living crap out of him.

[Ultra Prism]

I found him more of show off using biotic barrier to stop gun fire and augmented Deus Ex HR way ... least developed and overly show off thats what i have to say

[Geneaux486]

Ultra Prism wrote...

 least developed and overly show off thats what i have to say

His lack of developement didn't really bother me.  He's just an amoral gun for hire, and he represents how low the Illusive Man is willing to sink to try to replace Shepard in his life.  Dude was kinda obsessed with him.  Or her.  Cerberus was all "Sheard's dead, Tim." and he was all "I want his body."  Or hers.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 08 mai 2012 - 07:25 .