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[Shaoken]

It's funny, I looked at the title and thought "Well of course he is; if he was a good assassin nobody would know his name!"

[Geneaux486]

Shaoken wrote...

It's funny, I looked at the title and thought "Well of course he is; if he was a good assassin nobody would know his name!"

Now all I can think is that Shepard should have been able to say that to him.

[J0HNL3I]

i just found him ****ing annoying by thessia he fells really out of place to me, like somthing out of a cartoon

Modifié par J0HNL3I, 08 mai 2012 - 07:37 .

[Johcande XX]

When Timothy Olyphant is a more intimidating assassin, you know something went terribly wrong.

[taylortexas]

The thing is, any fan of the Mass Effect novels can tell you that Kai Leng is not a bad character. Drew wrote him to be a very focused and efficient assassin. He wasn't whiny or cheap, he was extremely dangerous and actually had a bit of backstory. He was a bad guy, there's no doubt about that. But when you see things from his point of view and what he's capable of, there's a little voice that can't help but root for him sometimes.

Well, then there was Deception, but even Bioware has taken the "let's forget that ever happened" stance.

The point that I'm trying to make is that Kai Leng could have been a great villain, and the face of Cerberus for the majority of the game. It'd be silly to fight The Illusive Man, but not his ultra-deadly assassin. And if he was efficient before, imagine what he could do with Reaper upgrades? To be honest, I completely expected Kai Leng to be better than Shepard in a fist fight. Shepard is a soldier, and a damn good one. You give him enough firepower, and he can kill a Reaper. But with his bare hands? I wouldn't mess with him, but someone like Kai Leng should be more than capable of bringing him to the ground. And that is what should have happened on Thessia! Scrap the gunship and the recharge and actually have Kai Leng defeat Shepard! Sure, bring in the gunship at the end to level the temple. But don't make Kai Leng a coward, because that completely contradicts the character we were given in the novels!

Look, we all know Bioware pulled Leng straight out of Metal Gear. The Raiden comparisons are rampant, and they're justified. Is bringing a knife to a gun fight in outer space a very plausible idea? Not usually, but check out this video. It's a clip of Raiden in his techno-ninja glory from Metal Gear Solid 4. Just skip to 2:21...



That is what Kai Leng could and should have been. With the Reaper upgrades, I would have expected him to be capable of such wild tactics. He's the antagonist, and you hate him. But you hate him because he is a formidable (and like I said, possibly superior) foe, not because he is a whiny coward. The fight with Thane was awesome, and it made sense for Thane to hold his own because he was also extremely skilled in hand-to-hand combat. I wanted to see more of that!

The Kai Leng that we got in ME3 was the same Kai Leng that we got in Deception. Lame.

Modifié par taylortexas, 08 mai 2012 - 07:45 .

[kalasaurus]

I liked him in Retribution. After hearing all of the bad press on Deception, I didn't even bother reading it so my expectations were high for Kai Leng based solely on Retribution.

When I saw him in the trailers for ME3 I was really excited. I thought, "Ooohhh sh*t, Kai Leng is going to hunt Shepard down." I anticipated some kind of showdown with Kai Leng sneaking up on Shepard (either sneaking into her cabin or cornering her elsewhere), where they had to fight one on one. He was into close combat in the book, so I didn't know if it would be some kind of button combo fight or what. I just thought it would be pretty intense.

I liked the one on one fight with Thane (it completely caught me off guard). Too bad Shepard never got one like that. Like others said, I also expected him to express his repulsion at the xenophiliac romances too.

I don't really hate Kai Leng, but I didn't think he'd be pumped up as a boss fight. He didn't need that. He's a sneaky assassin. Let him do sneaky assassiny things

Modifié par GlassElephant, 08 mai 2012 - 07:45 .

[Deflagratio]

Kai Leng in general is a waste of space. The whole Cerberus plot in Mass Effect 3 is farfetched, but Kai Leng's involvement ends the stupidity with a swarm of exclamation points. The culmination is of course, Thessia, when a phantom project dropout has to rely on a Mantis gunship (Of which you killed a dozen or so in Mass Effect 2) to let his "Shields recharge" (Phantoms have barriers anyway nub).

Considering how good that "Forced Defeat" segment of Dragon Age: Origins was, assuming you didn't just Deathcloud combo for the win, the Thessia segment with Kai Leng is beyond insulting.

[thesnake777]

In the books he was pretty cool. In person he was eh.
I wasent impressed or intimated by him. I thought he was punk. I also didn't think he won that fight a thessia so his taunting me just fell short.
overall he was in now way anything like saren. I actually felt dread facing down with saren or liara's mother. I mean hell Harby was intimidating. Kai Lang...Eh he was nothing,

[Archontor]

He lost to a terminally ill drell or a salarian

Shep can punch a Krogan to death

It's a wonder Kai didn't just find a nice little bunker to huddle up in and hope the big bad Sheppard dosen't come for him.

[Baihu1983]

Everything about him failed and the Thane fight had too many dumb moments to be awesome.

[Varghulf]

I like the cut scenes wit Kai Leng, but when fighting him he became a noisy douchebag with all those lameass taunts.
Furthermore, even TIM seems to believe that Kai Leng's is not so good, as you can see at the end of the Coup. Where KL says that he will get Shepard next time and TIM is like "yeah sure".

[Krozuhsky]

I wonder why TIM isn't concerned about this. If my BEST assassin's best achievement is beating a terminally ill Drell (Granted, he was an assassin),shooting a Salarian blocking the Councilor,I'd be concerned. He also leads to Cerberus's downfall if Miranda is alive, she placed a tracker on him, HOW does he not notice?

[CSMone01]

Johcande XX wrote...

When Timothy Olyphant is a more intimidating assassin, you know something went terribly wrong.

[vixvicco]

I was bracing myself, thinking he was going to be real tough to beat, but he wasn't. He was a lame.

[MysticSpace]

The biggest problem is that Kai is added to ME3 under a really big assumption that we all went out and bought the ME books and have a inkling of who he is and after a little wiki research I found out that it's not worth finding out.

[TullyAckland]

Moved this thread to character discussion. Continue!

[Tashash]

He killed my LI - that's enough for me to hate him.

The fact that Leng's characterization was honed down to absolute nothing and his combat ended up being ''fight my back-up while I recharge'' (Hell, the damn Colussus on Haestrom in ME 2 was more fun) makes me utterly despise him.

[Baihu1983]

I need to recharge = lame.

[Aurora313]

Kai Leng has a series case of what I'd like to refer to as 'Adaptation Decay'. He's a former N7 operative, and he's been Cerberus' best wet-work operative. Not to mention something of a determinator. He trained constantly and contiuned to hone his skills as best he could. At least that's how he was portrayed in Retribution. I haven't read Deception, reading the reviews was hard enough. I don't plan to place to torture myself - and mainly because Drew's vision of Leng is far superior to the vision this new writer had. Drew's Leng had a strange code of honor, obsecure, but definately there. He honestly and whole-heartedly believed in Cerberus' idea of 'defending Humanity'. In the ME3, he was decayed into a regular text-book villian that even a three-quaters dead Thane could defeat. He wasn't the 'Anti-Shepard' I thought he'd be. Just some random elite who liked screwing things up for the hell of it.

Unfortunately, what I would have liked to see is Shepard and Leng in a full-blown fist-fight. No guns, no swords, just an honest brawl. As a quick-time event maybe, or even just in cutscene.

Modifié par Aurora313, 08 mai 2012 - 11:08 .

[EnvyTB075]

Aurora313 wrote...
Unfortunately, what I would have liked to see is Shepard and Leng in a full-blown fist-fight. No guns, no swords, just an honest brawl. As a quick-time event maybe, or even just in cutscene.

I honestly thought that was actually gonna happen in the last fight with him. It would have added some legitimacy to his fancy gymnastics with twilight motion blur.

But now, the **** could cartwheel as slow as an Elcor walking, and not take damage at all.

[CroGamer002]

There was a hype with Kai Leng?

[Baihu1983]

Should have been part of 2's squad instead of say Jacob and no matter what him and Shep could have always been at odds.

[Aurora313]

I also thought that there was an unfortunately cut scene in the script where Leng either directly or indirectly impales Shepard, and he wakes up in the Med-bay utterly pissed off. Would have loved to see that. At least showing Shepard injured would have really reinforced the fact that despite everything he's done or experienced, he's still just a human being.

Would have made the final battle all the sweeter if it had been a one-on-one: Possibly Shepard ORDERS his squad to get the hell away while he takes Leng on himself. Calling it personal or a matter of pride, because of the defeats each recieved from the other.

Also - to quote Kasumi 'I'm the best in the business, not the most famous.'. That's exactly the approach that should have been taken to Leng in ME3.

Modifié par Aurora313, 08 mai 2012 - 11:40 .