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[CptData]

Kai Leng is an example how NOT to create a character.

Especially as a villain a character needs something intimidating so you slowly start to hate him. Good writers know how to do that: at first, the villain isn't too much different from the hero, but the deeds he does in the plot feed the anger of the player. Once the story's climax is at hand, the reader should hate the villain so the punishment delivered by the protagonist feels satisfying.

Right? Check the James Bond movies. You'll find out what I'm talking about.

Now, Kai Leng never got that build up. For new players (starting with ME3), he's just a random badguy with a name. For the old gang, the veterans of ME1 and ME2, Kai Leng isn't much more too, if you don't read the books (like I refused to do). He simply comes out of nowhere, has three appearances but doesn't really feel like a worthy opponent to Shepard.

And that's the big issue:
Kai Leng is just a random badguy with a name.
He's no worthy opponent. That's TIM. Period. Kai Leng isn't more than a tool for TIM - and a bad one. You can say the same about Eva Coré - her appearance was too short to have any impact on the story, except taking out the VS for half of the game.

Overall... I'm no fan of Kai Leng. I don't hate him. I don't like him. He's meh.

[Jampe81]

J0HNL3I wrote...

i just found him ****ing annoying by thessia he fells really out of place to me, like somthing out of a cartoon

Tell me about it!
I felt like this happened to me on thessia:

[Aurora313]

His character portrayal is generic. The Leng in ME3 is not 'real' Kai Leng. KL as stated before, is a driven, ruthless and decissive assassin. But that's only portrayed in Retribution. In my opinion, with how they treated his character? He should have died at the end of Retribution from extreme bloodloss. In fact, if it weren't a sci-fi world, he would have even before making his escape.

[Reikilea]

Nearly every character in Mass Effect is overhyped. Not so much in the first game, but in the second game.... In the first game they actually felt more normal and realistic - raging from Ashley to Kaidan to Garrus and Liara. (Thought Liara and Tali are typical damsel in distress types and they are there to introduce alien races stereotypes).

But in the second game...
Instead of female biotic you got psycho biotic female, young girl full of angst without much clothing
Instead of scientist - you get Miranda, perfect female with tight body dress who liked to fight in heels and doesn’t need body armour in fight.
Instead of krogan you get again perfectly engineered tank bred krogan, hard awakening included.
In place of asari - you get hard and sexi justicar, who follows the code no matter what, who also fights in hell and leaves her zip conveniently open in a right place.
As an man human soldier you get extremely muscular guy with too much personal drama.
As an assassin you get Bioware popular sexi assassin type in tight armour again, who works with integrity and good nature who lost his wife/lower because of his work. And usually with family problem. Positively emo style.
Then there is Zaeed, Kasumi…

They are all overhyped, mostly to enhance the point - they character design is over the top but somehow it works, because fans likes characters like this. Maybe because they are on your side.

Same in ME3 - as a human soldier you get overhyped version of someone who fulfils all clichés and stereotypes about soldiers. With all tattoos, scars and cheeky attitude. Human version of Wrex.
Don’t even get me starting on that fembot thing, the only squad mate I actually really hate in Mass Effect. On the overhype Bioware character creation scale, I thought that was way too much. I so missed EDI me2 form.

So Leng just fits in here. He is nothing different - in fact he works in same as other characters he got all - tight armour, that - I am badass attitude. His only problem may be that he works for the bad guy. And I didn’t mind him that much. He was just villain. Still not as cool as Saren...

[kevchy]

Mesina2 wrote...

There was a hype with Kai Leng?

Remember that picture of Kai Leng pinning Shepard with his foot while crushing his shotgun? It made people excited.

[Extra-Planetal]

I was actually slightly hyped when I'd heard he'd be in ME3 (I'm a big fan of the non-WTF novels)

I also remembered telling my friends that he's probably going to be really badass in ME3...

Whoever designed him, you made me feel like a fool

[DirtySHISN0]

Kai leng was a means to an end. In this case a conduit for rage.

His plot armor is so good that if you blow off his head with black/widow/javelin it auto repairs for the cutscene.

[BatmanPWNS]

I think Anderson has a crush on him.

[MisterJB]

Kai Leng in Retribution: Faced with two armored turians armed with assault rifles, Kai Leng poses as a random passerby until he is close enough to use a hidden knife and pistol. Kills them both with ease.

Kai Leng in ME3: Brings a goddamn gunship and orders it to level the whole place down.

And don't even get me started on how they completely shifted his personality.

What the Hell, Bioware?

[leminzplz]

I was kinda disapointed in him in ME3, but in Retribution he's good. I'm mosty disapointed because I was hoping for something EPIC to happen; people kept talking about him like how dangerous he is and that...But still, it appears he became different after Deception so he was awesome in comparison

[Ageless Face]

Why does people even compare Saren to Kai Leng?! 
First of all, Saren was a spectre. Leng wasn't. 
The second thing, Saren got reaper tech from an actual reaper. Leng got the tech from cerberus. It's like a cheap imitation. Powerfull, but cheap.
And the last thing, Shepard had been given advanced technology him/herself. After the fight with Saren. From Cerberus. It's only reasonable Shepard will have less of a chalenge from Leng.
If you people also mean that Saren had more persenality than Leng... then i will ask again: Why even compare? Saren was suppose to fill the role of TIM and Kai leng. Having both ideals and power. Kai leng doesn't suppose to have ideals. He is there mostly just to show us the bad side of cerberus. And be annoying to the player.  

[FlyinElk212]

The thing that sucked the most about Leng was that he wasn't even really a boss. He was just a reskinned Phantom.

Laaaaaaaaaaame.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Kai Leng made me feel a lot better about Commander Shepard, who's otherwise made to look like a complete fool without my control. Compared to Leng, Shepard actually looks smart and competent.

[MisterJB]

magnetite wrote...

Not sure what the stuff covering his eyes is for. Perhaps he had an eye injury.

He might have Husk-like eyes like the Centurion on Mars and is simply trying to conceal them.
Or it helps him target. Ashley and James can wear something similar.

[Tankcommander]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Yeah, he's overhyped. On the Citadel Shep could've squished his augmented butt when he's riding the top of the police aircar against one of those overhangs.

Then when facing him on Thessia: *KL moves 3 feet* *A clip of Black Widow shot emptied into him* "Cover me while I recharge!" Repeat.

Same thing for Cronus base.

Quite sad really.

Yeah my playthrough thoughts exactly. Only I was using the Widow first playthrough lol

[chevyguy87]

I was just sitting here staring outside when I came up with the idea that it would've been cool if they had Leng possibly kidnap one of Shepard's squadmates or L.I by orders from T.I.M. That would have made me a little more..... oh what's the word I'm looking for "enthusiastic" about his character. He came off as just boring, fighting phantoms was more interesting.

Modifié par chevyguy87, 09 mai 2012 - 01:28 .

[Jymm]

I may be the only person on this forum who thinks the Thessia Leng fight is fine as is. Let me caveat by saying that I haven't read any books on the subject and he meant nothing to me coming into ME3. He was hyped up and a pain in my rear on the Citadel. Then he shows up on Thessia and totally cheats to win with that gunship. In my view that cemented his character. "Oh, so _that's_ how we're going to play it!" Him beating me by being a total cheeseweasel on Thessia is one of the major reasons that its sooooo satisfying to stab him at the Cerberus base.

So. Satisfying. Mmmmm..

(I will admit that his final boss battle was mediocre at best. Frustrating rather than challenging in a fun way, and gratuitously re-using the "charge my shields" mechanic.)

[Oni Changas]

111987 wrote...

I think it's an unresolvable problem in video games. It's so hard to present a villain as some super powerful badass if you eventually face him in-game. It reminds me of Albert Wesker in Resident Evil 5; he totally stomps the hell out of Chris and Sheva in the cutscenes, but is laughably easy during game play.

True, but Wesker throwing rockets at you = total What the sh**!? moment. It still kept his credibility up to me.

[Jebel Krong]

I just hate losing via cut-scene, which is what happens on thessia, that's just bad storytelling. I thought leng wasn't too bad overall: you could feel his jealousy and hate for shepard (even if the e-mail was silly).

Something like that you want a 1v1 straight up duel: may the best man win.

[Tiberis]

Kai Leng is a looser; only starbrat compares to how much I hate him. I can actually almost kill him in Thessia, but then the cut scene rolls and somehow everyone becomes magically incompetent and Kai Leng is suddenly invulnerable. He runs away from every fight, even then he needs help in all three fights. TIM is a villain, Saren is a villain, Harbinger is a villain, Kai Leng is a wanker.

Seriously, a villain takes more than "I hate his guts" to work. We should have gotten the chance to kill him on Thessia or even on the Citadel. That elevator he gets on? Throw a damn lift grenade in there and see what happens.

[Aurora313]

What I wanted was another fight. A proper fist fight wear Shepard physically gets his ass handed to him. I doubt Shepard as a netural character is the kind of guy to hold grudges, even on enemies, but if a bad guy puts Shepard in the hospital as well as generally f*ck up his mission to save the galaxy, then Shepard would want to settle the score.

[Evelien]

wickedgoodreed wrote...

Cypher_CS wrote...

Kai Leng sucks.
And I think I know why. In this case, the Combat Designer who worked on ME2 didn't work on this one. I'm specifically referring to the girl who created Tela Vasir.
Now THAT was an exemplar of fun combat.

My vanguard wished she could be like Tela Vasir. That really was a fun boss battle.

Although, now that I think about it, Vasir did have her own version of  "I need to recharge." She also called in lots of backup. But for some reason, when Kai Leng does the same it comes across as so much more obnoxious.

If I recall correctly, Vasir was already wounded by this time. Made her all the more bad-ass, and actually justifies the fact that she needs back-up. My favourite part of LOTSB.

[L. Han]

He sure didn't lack for confidence that's for sure.


Also from my real life experience, never bring a blade in a gun fight.

[Edolix]

At first I couldn't stand Kai Leng. I hated him. Still do, to an extent.

However, ever since I found out about how he snuck into Anderson's apartment and stole his cereal...I just can't take him seriously anymore. He's a joke.

Modifié par Edolix, 03 juin 2012 - 01:18 .