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[stysiaq]

Bfler wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Orumon wrote...

Because there were both incredibly high expectations for the game, and Bioware not only fell short, they lied to hype the game.

This.  It was the most anticipated game of the year and fell short of many fans' expectations in the end.

No, the release of the most anticipated game of the year is next week. And I could bet this forum will be very quiet after it.

Sorry bro, but when I compare D3 with D2, then DA2 is a truly magnificent sequel to DA:O.
D3 tells you each minute that you got bonus XP for smashing 10 barrels in a short time.
Of course it will sell bazzilions and get perfect scores, but the game is mediocre.

[Bfler]

stysiaq wrote...

Bfler wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Orumon wrote...

Because there were both incredibly high expectations for the game, and Bioware not only fell short, they lied to hype the game.

This.  It was the most anticipated game of the year and fell short of many fans' expectations in the end.

No, the release of the most anticipated game of the year is next week. And I could bet this forum will be very quiet after it.

Sorry bro, but when I compare D3 with D2, then DA2 is a truly magnificent sequel to DA:O.
D3 tells you each minute that you got bonus XP for smashing 10 barrels in a short time.
Of course it will sell bazzilions and get perfect scores, but the game is mediocre.

Irrelevant. It is the most anticipated and hyped game and will outsell ME3 and I think even Skyrim.

Modifié par Bfler, 08 mai 2012 - 03:33 .

[sanadawarrior]

Bfler wrote...


Irrelevant. It is the most anticipated and hyped game and will outsell ME3

It will do so pretty easily.

Bfler wrote...

and I think even Skyrim.

Not a chance in hell unless you mean pc only sales.

Modifié par sanadawarrior, 08 mai 2012 - 03:36 .

[VibrantYacht]

I don't know. For some reason, people are really hating the Call of Duty series right now for no apparent reason.

[Elite Midget]

You know you messed up when you have a bigger fan backlash than the one that lead to Jason Todd's death.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

VibrantYacht wrote...

I don't know. For some reason, people are really hating the Call of Duty series right now for no apparent reason.

Not sure if serious...


Also ME3 was voted most anticipated if that means anything and to your cod remark mabye cod fans are tired of being sold the game year after year at full price

[goodventure]

Walsh1980 wrote...

Zombie Chow wrote...

Does anyone know if Fallout 3 had the same backlash? It's also an RPG, a shooter (mostly a 1st person rather than 3rd person), famous for its predecessors having multiple endings.

I know they eventually made Broken Steel as a paid DLC as a result, but not sure if the fan reaction was the same initially. I played Fallout 3, heard it had a bad ending, experienced it, but didn't quite feel as strongly about it at the time.

Fallout was a bit different, it had been many years since the 2nd one, and the game became a completely different experience.  There were plenty of people who voiced their dissaprovment with a tactical overhead rpg becoming Elder Scrolls with guns, but the game was good enough that they're pretty drowned out.  The complaints for that ending were less about it being bad and more because players have come to expect that type of game to not even have an end and let you free roam after the main quest, which Broken Steel apparently does (never played it, I foolishly bought the PS3 version which didn't get any DLC until way later).  Plus there'll always be another, which there was.

Mass Effect, this was the end of a story a lot of people put a lot of themselves into, and very well may be the end of the franchise for a lot of people depending on how they milk.... er continue it in the future.  For it to end the way it did, thematically and quality-wise being so disperate from the rest of the series, it struck especially hard.  And what it does worse than being badly done is make you wonder why the hell you ever bothered with caring if the developers obviously didn't as much as you. 

Does anyone really care what happens to Soap McTavish or Master Chief, not really, if it ends badly you might be disappointed, but in the end characters in other popular games aren't even in the ballpark when it comes to how deep Bioware's characters are, almost to the point where it gets a little scary in here (Tali sweat).  When you got to the end I think we just expected the game to feature more of what made the series great in the first place, not the war, not the enemy, but the friends you made along the way and where they end up. 

This!

I played Fallout 3, but my reaction to the ending wasn't nearly as bad as my reaction to ME3's ending, and it was for the reasons you stated.

The main reason I got annoyed with Fallout 3's original ending was that I couldn't play past the ending. I had a couple of missions leftover and was bummed that I couldn't finish them.

Fallout 3's ending didn't hurt as much because
1. It wasn't the "last Fallout game."
2. It's a different "type" of game.
3. I cared less about Fallout 3's characters than I did ME3's, so there was less attachment
4. The obvious plot holes that made Fallout 3's original ending bad (like not sending in the radiation-immune companion to push the button for you, which Broken Steel fixed) aren't as glaringly bad as ME3's (Starchild logic).

I'm sure there are more but that's how I felt.

Modifié par goodventure, 08 mai 2012 - 04:42 .

[Skull Bearer]

Zombie Chow wrote...

Does anyone know if Fallout 3 had the same backlash? It's also an RPG, a shooter (mostly a 1st person rather than 3rd person), famous for its predecessors having multiple endings.

I know they eventually made Broken Steel as a paid DLC as a result, but not sure if the fan reaction was the same initially. I played Fallout 3, heard it had a bad ending, experienced it, but didn't quite feel as strongly about it at the time.

I think with Fallout 3, the ending wasn't hard to fix, and there was already a huge modding community. I think there was a fix for the ending within something like a week of its release.

[Phaedra Sanguine]

Kids get angry, news at 11. In a month there'll be something else for people to shake their fist at and soon the forums will have actual Mass Effect fans posting again.

[Brother Takka]

Metal Gear Solid 2. People where so pissed that you only played Solid Snake for the first 30mins of the game they made another version of the game where you had Snake Tales. Missions where you played as Snake. People where pissed because Kinomi has shown vids and screen shots of Snake where you didn't play snake. When people found out you played Rydan they got mad. And Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance was born.

[CSunkyst]

Paxcorpus wrote...

Kids get angry, news at 11. In a month there'll be something else for people to shake their fist at and soon the forums will have actual Mass Effect fans posting again.

So... people who were heartbroken by the ME3 ending weren't "true" fans because they didn't smother it with praise merely because it had a ME logo plastered on it? 

Why is there always an idiot that thinks "true" fans are't alowed to be criical? 

[G00N3R7883]

I haven't seen anything like it before, but then again I haven't seen any other community that loves a game as much as this either.

[soulprovider]

Bfler wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Orumon wrote...

Because there were both incredibly high expectations for the game, and Bioware not only fell short, they lied to hype the game.

This.  It was the most anticipated game of the year and fell short of many fans' expectations in the end.

No, the release of the most anticipated game of the year is next week. And I could bet this forum will be very quiet after it.

i'm pretty quiet after playing serious sam 3 good game very little publicity but much better for letting out the rage.

[Siansonea]

Seems like the fan reaction to Dragon Age 2 was pretty epic, if I recall, but ME3 trumps that kerfuffle, surely. And I don't recall a fan reaction, good or bad, that bled into the "mainstream" media before this one.

[Headcount]

I can't recall anything on the scale of this over a game. Of course, this was supposed to be the end of Shepard's story, add to that the countless promises that were made (16 endings. No A, B or C choices) and to finish it on an open ending (speculations for everyone!) with a character (godchild) added at the last second offering three choices (pick your color) which your character blindly accepts that are 93 percent the same.

[sarcasm]Yeah, I can't see why people might get upset.[/sarcasm]

[Konfined]

How many other games has had fans so outraged that it attracted Forbes' attention? How many other games have had misguided souls actually try and get the FCC involved?

[Talogrungi]

Biggest I've ever seen; gamers tend to shrug off broken promises and mediocrity .. both things are so prevalent that they've become "acceptable" .. and that's to the detriment of the industry as a whole.

A backlash like this is long overdue, imo.

[stysiaq]

Irrelevant. It is the most anticipated and hyped game and will outsell ME3 and I think even Skyrim.

yep, I know. What bugs me is just how many people would buy the very same game if it had a different name.

Back to the topic - I think DA2 and F3 met with negative feedback out of different reasons.

As for DA2 I can speak for myself, because I have the game stopped playing it after meeting one disappointment after another, like not changing the main location after act 2, or really cheap difficulty levels. I think however that I could enjoy it now that I know it is just a casual game, with jRPG swords and the main character able to woo everyone.

I did not play F3, because I played F1 and F2 and was afraid that Bethesda could never live up to my expectations, which later was somewhat confirmed by my friends, who did play it.

Both games had different things to live up to - DA2 had to face huge expectations because of DA:O being a really good game, and F3 was facing a well established RPG fans favorite and the fans that don't take any far-fetched interpretation of the lore easily (see Fallout: Tactics, which personally I loved, but it was the first FO game I ever played)

I think ME3 backlash is a mix of those two backlashes - facing the hype that previous games set up, and  failing to satisfy the hardcore fans, who made themselves progressively devoted to the games lore and codex (via replaying the game several times)

Modifié par stysiaq, 08 mai 2012 - 05:50 .

[VibrantYacht]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

VibrantYacht wrote...

I don't know. For some reason, people are really hating the Call of Duty series right now for no apparent reason.

Not sure if serious...


Also ME3 was voted most anticipated if that means anything and to your cod remark mabye cod fans are tired of being sold the game year after year at full price

I am serious. I don't know, I think it's just getting unfairly destroyed by Halo fans, Battlefield fans, and those who are part of the whiplash that inevitably happens when something becomes popular. I'm not the biggest fan of any of those franchises (CoD, Halo, BF), but from the outside, it's absolutely insane how much visceral hate Call of Duty is recieving. Sure it still has fans but I see more hate than support.

Modifié par VibrantYacht, 08 mai 2012 - 07:32 .

[Kesak12]

Biggest reaction i have seen. most just burnt out after the first month

[Fireblader70]

Paxcorpus wrote...

Kids get angry, news at 11. In a month there'll be something else for people to shake their fist at and soon the forums will have actual Mass Effect fans posting again.

Not saying I agree with your assumption that everyone on here is not an 'actual' fan, but what you said reminds me of when Mass Effect 2 was released.  And many other games, simply because they were different. History will always repeat itself.

However, because of the constant controversies and alienation, mostly due to EA, I think there will always be some form of discontent towards Mass Effect 3.

But no, it's not the biggest backlash according to my memory. Just a significant one.

[Oldbones2]

JamesFaith wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

Gothic: Arcania was also heavily critized by fans, I remember there were even less people defending it then here.

I think the defense of a game that tends to revolve around calling anyone critical of the game stupid in some way to be rather peculiar. Either many "supporters" are dumb as oxes, or they can't accept that the game was as bad as it was and are simply defending it out of sheer denial. I'd rather the latter be the case, but I have little faith in humanity any more.

Oh, great, another of this.

So you claiming, that people who like end and dare to say it here "calling anyone critical of game stupid" and then you say that many of them are "dump as oxes" or do it "out of sheer denial".  Obviously having different taste and opinion is out of question here.

Eddie, you are true personification of tolerance. 

I'm not encouraging insults from anyone.  But if you take a minute to search a few threads, you'll notice a distinct trend of many Pro - enders choosing to make their opinions known with insults and petty trolling.

Not saying all people who liked the ending, or that Retakers don't do it too, but Pro enders have a near monopoly.

[Atakuma]

Oldbones2 wrote...

I'm not encouraging insults from anyone.  But if you take a minute to search a few threads, you'll notice a distinct trend of many Pro - enders choosing to make their opinions known with insults and petty trolling.

Not saying all people who liked the ending, or that Retakers don't do it too, but Pro enders have a near monopoly.

No they do not, you are simply trying to paint the opposition in a bad light.

[MrDavid]

I recall Final Fantasy XIII had (and still has) a lot of haters. But that was more of a split fanbase (which is pretty much SOP with Final Fantasy games nowadays).
MGS2 was pretty rough (I wasn't around the forums back then so I couldn't tell you but I can imagine).
Practically any Zelda game that isn't OoT is declared the worst in the series until the next one comes out. Although Zelda fans are a lot quieter. Metroid: Other M had a lot of people raging too.
Mass Effect 3's backlash is pretty well known all across the internet. It's been impossible not to hear about it.