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[meatsack]

So I just finished my first play
through of ME3 last night ( I know, 2 months seems like a long time
but with 2 kids under 6 time is a rare commodity for me )
I first want to say the ME3 in IMHO the
best game of the 3 . . . fantastic story, emotionally engaging ( yes
I teared up a few times, here is my man card, take it ) and great
game play( on a pc, I found the cover system much improved over ME2).
Definite game of the year for 2012 if not the last 5 years.


Now that being said, its time to
address the elephant in the room . . . the ending.

I thought the ending was brillant. Now
before you start shouting "Troll" at me . . . let me
explain.

I think it really boils down to how you
viewed the game ... Mass Effect, to me, has at its core always been a
Sci-fi epic. Although the primary theme through the trilogy has been
focused on the threat of the Reapers, the core sci-fi elements have
always been carried along through all 3 games . . .Who are the
reapers, who built them, why do they repeat this 50,000 year cycle of
destruction, and what does it all mean for the future of humanity.

The Mass Effect trilogy, in my view,
was never destined to be wrapped up in a "we win, and everyone
lives happily ever after " final.

So the ending, to me, was a hard core
Sci-fi ending . . . and I am very happy with it.
Now that being said, I do think some
complaints are valid. Their are some questions that still need to be
answered and some plot holes explained so I hope the Extended cut
fills in the gaps. I can't mention said questions or wished for
clarifications because I promised this post to be spoiler free.

My hats off to you Bioware for a hell
of a game. Starting on my second playthrough this weekend.

[LostHH]

I found the series started epically, especially the history they'd created for the galaxy. 
But I felt it finished in a streamlined call of duty fashion with added deus ex machina

Modifié par LostHH, 08 mai 2012 - 02:02 .

[furryrage59]

No one had an issue with the happily ever after thing.

They had issue with plot holes and bad writing, glad you enjoyed it though.

[Captain Cornhole]

furryrage59 wrote...

No one had an issue with the happily ever after thing.

They had issue with plot holes and bad writing, glad you enjoyed it though.

Let be honest, nearly everyone on here as issues with nearly everything.

[SetecAstronomy]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

furryrage59 wrote...

No one had an issue with the happily ever after thing.

They had issue with plot holes and bad writing, glad you enjoyed it though.

Let be honest, nearly everyone on here as issues with nearly everything.

Issues, hell, it's practically a subscription at this point.

OP, good on you for your enjoyment. I agree.

[loungeshep]

I'll be honest, the only thing I hate about the ending is the Guardians explanation for why they reap. Sovereign, Harbinger, and Rannoch Reaper did a far better job and I'm totally fine with ignoring the Guardian's explanation and just sticking with ' we bring order to chaos' it's a good, classic theme.

Now the rest, all I really want is clarification and I'm happy.

The game IS awesome though, and BSN needs more of these threads about the positive aspects of Mass Effect 3.

[meatsack]

loungeshep wrote...

I'll be honest, the only thing I hate about the ending is the Guardians explanation for why they reap. Sovereign, Harbinger, and Rannoch Reaper did a far better job and I'm totally fine with ignoring the Guardian's explanation and just sticking with ' we bring order to chaos' it's a good, classic theme.

Now the rest, all I really want is clarification and I'm happy.

The game IS awesome though, and BSN needs more of these threads about the positive aspects of Mass Effect 3.

Agreed.  And I thing 99% of everyone who's played would agree that the game as a whole was a fantastic emotional experience.

I think the big issue is a lot of people already had a pre-concieved idea of how the game was going to end, and/or the lack of a variety of endings people expected.

We, as game players need to realize however, that Mass Effect is Bioware's sandbox, we're just allowed to play in it.  Bioware had a clear idea of how they indended to end the series. 

EDIT:  fix my typos

Modifié par meatsack, 08 mai 2012 - 02:29 .

[Oilking72]

What's this? A rational human being? On BSN? No yelling or screaming (no caps, lol)?

I think for the most part I feel the same way. I didn't love the ending but it didn't send me crying for my teddy and ruin any and all further play time with the series either. I think more has been said about the people that play these games than the game itself, to tell you the truth.

That said, the stuff after your choices is a bit nonsensical and I too hope that the EC will answer any and all questions and leave most people satisfied. They're obviously spending some time with it so here's hoping.

[loungeshep]

meatsack wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

I'll be honest, the only thing I hate about the ending is the Guardians explanation for why they reap. Sovereign, Harbinger, and Rannoch Reaper did a far better job and I'm totally fine with ignoring the Guardian's explanation and just sticking with ' we bring order to chaos' it's a good, classic theme.

Now the rest, all I really want is clarification and I'm happy.

The game IS awesome though, and BSN needs more of these threads about the positive aspects of Mass Effect 3.

Agreed.  And I thing 99% of everyone who's played would agree that the game as a whole was a fantastic emotional experience.

I think the big issue is a lot of people already had a pre-concieved idea of how the game was going to end, and/or the lack of a variety of endings people expected.

We, as game players need to realize however, that Mass Effect is Bioware's sandbox, we're just allowed to play in it.  Bioware had a clear idea of how they indended to end the series. 

EDIT:  fix my typos

That's the main thing, people had some extreme ideas of how it would end.   Any game where hte main antagonist is built up like the Reapers were is going to have an end that people will be upset over.

[Scam_poo]

That's what I thought when I first finished the game! Glad to see more people with my opinion. Great game, good ending - Game of the Year.
And, trolls, please stay away from such positive threads.

[meatsack]

loungeshep wrote...

That's the main thing, people had some extreme ideas of how it would end.   Any game where hte main antagonist is built up like the Reapers were is going to have an end that people will be upset over.

That is one thing I had hoped for but never got . . . having a convesation with Harbinger and telling him to go screw himself.

Perhaps the dev's can squeeze that into the EC DLC . . .

[ME 3]

I'm glad you enjoyed the game

For me it was Great game, but it was flawed.
The ending, less dialogue and little character interactions were my main problems.
I'm not here to argue about it though.
I hope everyone can enjoy mass effect as a series rather than judge it on its conclusion.

[jeweledleah]

you lost me at core sci-fi elements.
epic loss was never a core element of sci-fi. making things scientifically plausible all the while keeping them in "what if" territory was.

I get why people may enjoy the ending on symbolic level, or emotional level, but the one level it doesn't work on? is sci-fi.

and considering that first 2 games ended on uplifting: "we win and live to fight another day" note? I'm honestly not sure where people are getting the whole "it could never end in anything but tragedy" idea. tragedy should have been a possibility, seeing as the game is all about choices and forging your own path. it shouldn't have been the only possible path.

P.S. I didn't have extreme ideas, personally. i had very simple ideas. you know - that super weapon that was sorta kinda foreshadowed (remember the rift that was actually a remains of particle weapon grazing the planet? remember that derelict reapers that had missile holes in it?). it could have been, you know - actual weapon. I thought it would be something that would disable reaper shields. allow combined fleets to bring reapers down. that all those 3 years of preparation would be worth something. that council wasn't just sitting on their hands. that they weren't telling Shepard everything, because they didn't trust Shepard's Cerberus connection - that things were happening and we would see what those things were - in ME3. /shrug oh well.
I was expecting sci-fi. of the David Weber variety. what I got was starship troopers, the movie smooshed with space Odyssey the movie (not the original story it was based on, even)

Modifié par jeweledleah, 08 mai 2012 - 03:11 .

[loungeshep]

meatsack wrote...

loungeshep wrote...

That's the main thing, people had some extreme ideas of how it would end.   Any game where hte main antagonist is built up like the Reapers were is going to have an end that people will be upset over.

That is one thing I had hoped for but never got . . . having a convesation with Harbinger and telling him to go screw himself.

Perhaps the dev's can squeeze that into the EC DLC . . .

Yeah that's something I would've like, or going inside Harbinger to destroy him which would something something, get taken to the citadel where you face the illusive man and the rest of hte end is the same but destroy has reapers flying at you to stop you because the Guardian would bet on your trying to control the Reapers.

But I'm fine with just clarification.

[Resse]

OP I have serious questions.

What exactly do you like about the ending?

In addition please answer the following:
1. What happened to your crew and why were they in a certain spot when they were supposed to be at your side?
2. Why did a certain ship leave the battle and abandons you when you need them most?
3. What do you think about the character introduced in the very last second and it's comments?
4. What color did you pick and why and what did you think at that moment?
5. Did you feel like your choices mattered?

I could ask you so many more questions, but please answer at least these few.

I'm happy that you're happy with the ending you got, but I want to understand how you can actually be happy with it.

[ME 3]

@Resse

for some reason no-one ever responds to those questions

[LegionMan]

 Glad to hear that some people did enjoy the ending.  Though OP, how would you feel if the story did not explain the origin?  I feel the Reapers are far more menacing in that capacity.

"Some things are just too large or too old to comprehend"

[meatsack]

jeweledleah wrote...

you lost me at core sci-fi elements.
epic loss was never a core element of sci-fi. making things scientifically plausible all the while keeping them in "what if" territory was.

And you don't think the "what if" component was clearly expressed in the end.  The precieved idea of the Reapers is they were evil through the series.  But "what if" they are not evil, but a means of prevening the destruction of all life in the galaxy?  Thats how I took it . . .

I get why people may enjoy the ending on symbolic level, or emotional level, but the one level it doesn't work on? is sci-fi.

Well when you compare it against other sci-fi media, I think it holds up.  Look at 2001:A space oddessy.  In the end HAL was considered "evil", but then in the sequal we learn he wasn't evil, it was mans attemps to make HAL lie ( a human trait that comes easy )which caused him to act the way he did.    (ok, so not a great example but I hope you see the direction I'm taking here . . . )

and considering that first 2 games ended on uplifting: "we win and live to fight another day" note? I'm honestly not sure where people are getting the whole "it could never end in anything but tragedy" idea. tragedy should have been a possibility, seeing as the game is all about choices and forging your own path. it shouldn't have been the only possible path.

I do see your point here.  However, as I mentioned in my first post, this is Bioware's sandbox, we're just allowed to play in it.   I suspect the ended the series this for some new game planned down the road.

[meatsack]

Resse wrote...

OP I have serious questions.

What exactly do you like about the ending?

Sci-fi makes you think about future possiblites, the "what if" quesions.  I think the end of ME3 did that.  The precieved idea of the Reapers is they were evil through the
series.  But "what if" they are not evil, but a means of prevening the
destruction of all life in the galaxy?  Thats how I took it . . .

In addition please answer the following:
1. What happened to your crew and why were they in a certain spot when they were supposed to be at your side?
2. Why did a certain ship leave the battle and abandons you when you need them most?

As I said in my original post, I do still have questions.  These are some of them, which I hope the EC addresses.

3. What do you think about the character introduced in the very last second and it's comments?

I assume you mean Stargazer?  I took it to show mankind survived.  Life continued.  Shepards final actions acomplished what they were intended too.

4. What color did you pick and why and what did you think at that moment?

Without spoiling the game, I took the 3rd final option.  As a paragon character it seemed right.  I will probably choose one of the other options as I play my renegade character next.

5. Did you feel like your choices mattered?

Thats the thing about life.  Sometimes no matter what you choose, you get results you may not want, or could have expected.  Reflecting back on all 3 games, I don't see what choices were made that could have changed the outcome.  And as I mentioned before, Bioware had reasons to end the trilogy this way ( I won't guess on why as I don't have the facts . . . would have loved to have been a fly on the wall however )

EDIT:  fix my quote tag fail

Modifié par meatsack, 08 mai 2012 - 03:52 .

[Sebbe1337o]

People didn't dislike the ending because of it being unhappy, people disliked it because it was bad writing and had a lot of plotholes. The decisions didn't matter and the ending negated a lot of the story in the first two games.

[ME 3]

@meatsack
no he meant that r*tarded little starchild they introduced as the main antagonist of the series in the last 5 minutes.
And bioware said that your choices that you had made over the series would affect ME3s ending. They did not

Modifié par ME 3, 08 mai 2012 - 03:58 .