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[meatsack]

M920CAIN wrote...

Scam_poo wrote...

That's what I thought when I first finished the game! Glad to see more people with my opinion. Great game, good ending - Game of the Year.
And, trolls, please stay away from such positive threads.

You suck.

There.

Play nice . . .

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...

Also, you should realize that the crucible is just a crappy D.E.M.
Not some amazing plot device.

Not this again...

There was just, like, three pages of people arguing back and forth about the use of the term "Deus ex machina" and how it is being improperly used. Please, read that discussion before coming in and talking about how the Crucible is a deus ex machina.

[Alibenbaba]

You know about the crucible the whole game long, so it's hardly a surprise at the end.
If the crucible had been destroyed be the reapers and THEN the catalyst had appeared he would have been a DEM.

[Grimwick]

The Crucible is a DEM and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise...

[Father_Jerusalem]

The Crucible is not a DEM and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

[Casey2079]

 I completely agree that the game was awesome. I'm sure I'll be playing the fantastic story a billion times over, but I have a slightly different opinion about the ending. I agree that there needs to some major explanation with the story, but here is why I wanted a happier ending. While I agree that it couldn't be all sunshine and roses I wanted to have something that showed all you went through wasn't for nothing. That is at least I wanted that if you got a certain level of military readieness, etc. The ending felt like the kind someone would get if they did the bare minimum in the game. The people that are really pissed off are the ones like me that investen over a hundered hours in each game with multiple playthroughs to get the exact story they wanted, and did every dlc, every side mission, and every character arc. To have it all end so abruptly just stings. 

[Grimwick]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The Crucible is not a DEM and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

An all powerful super weapon introduced in the last 20 hours of the last game of the trilogy with no previous references?
The Catalyst, a new character/antagonist introduced in the last 5 mins of the game in order to present solutions out of nowhere?

Right.

[Well]

To the Op.If you like the game great.Glad you got your moneys worth.To me it was just average.Better than DA 2.There were some great moments but other than two major quest it was just ok.I even got bored with it.The ending was really pathetic to me.That is just me.Some folks on both sides of this seemed to forget that everyone has different taste.There is no reason to attack someone for liking or not liking it.People have the right to their opinion and no desk bound commando is going to change that.

[Kreid]

@OP glad you enjoyed it, we are pretty much in the same camp, plotholes and inconsistencies aside I thought the ending was ok, now let's hope the extended cut wraps it up.

[ME 3]

I posted one thing and caused a huge debate inside a thread...
not sure if I feel good about that...

[Tallin Harperson]

slyguy200 wrote...

Alibenbaba wrote...

You know about the crucible the whole game long, so it's hardly a surprise at the end.
If the crucible had been destroyed be the reapers and THEN the catalyst had appeared he would have been a DEM.

It's purpose, function, and revalation made it a D.E.M. It's purpose was a surprise in the end, and a bad one at that.

Its purpose is exactly what it is set out as: to put an end to the Reaper threat. They mention more than a few times that they don't know exactly how it is going to do that. And when it comes down to it, the Crucible is still only a tool used by Shep. That is the focus of the plot throughout the game: gathering the forces to build and protect the Crucible so Shepard can use it against the Reapers at the end. That is what happens, thus it is not a deus ex machina. A deus ex machina can not be the main thrust of the plot, it must come out of nowhere.

Modifié par Tallin Harperson, 09 mai 2012 - 08:36 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

Grimwick wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

The Crucible is not a DEM and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

An all powerful super weapon introduced in the last 20 hours of the last game of the trilogy with no previous references?
The Catalyst, a new character/antagonist introduced in the last 5 mins of the game in order to present solutions out of nowhere?

Right.

Right. Were the Ewoks a DEM in Jedi? They were only introduced in the last third of the trilogy... 

Just because something is new doesn't mean it's a DEM. The Crucible is found early in the game and the whole point of the game is to build it - not a DEM. The Catalyst is foreshadowed throughout the entire game - not a DEM. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a DEM.

[Chapity]

Wait one minute. A force of savage non tech care bears that defeats a force of the best troops with sticks, rocks, tree traps and "cuteness" isn't a dues ex machina, but a device you spend a whole game building and a system that shows itself and lives, yeah I am going to say it, squarely within the confines of the dialogue from the antagonists is? Try again. "god from the machine" dictates that a system save you that only gets introduced in the last seconds, like everyone is doomed until Thor shows up with a mighty blow.....and he was looking on high the whole time and saved you out of kindness... and this is a movie about zombies. I can get with you if you said it was "weakly presented", but dem it is not.

[Chapity]

And one more thing. Stop using arguements you don't understand because it shows itself that you don't when you can't defend it other than saying "well it is, and your stupid". Chewbaca defense all you want, but it's bad argumentation. Just because someone else screams it doesn't mean you can use it to further a soft position. Poached egg soft.

[Darth Death]

Ending the trilogy on a cliffhanger isn't brilliant...

[legion999]

And when you think the "you dislike the ending because it's unhappy" arguement had died it comes rushing back. Le sigh.

Anyway OP I disagree with you but I'm glad you enjoyed the game. I just don't feel it deserves GOTY.

[merrick97]

I am also amazed that people still say that 95% of the game is great, its just that the ending is bad.

Yet everyone ignores:

1. The bad journal system
2. The lack of branched dialogue
3. Story cop-outs (Rachni queen anyone?)
4. The horrible beginning
5. The HORRIBLE HORRIBLE eavesdropping fetch quests that got you meaningless war assets.
6. The small number of actual sidequests

and for me the biggest issue was:

7. The linearity.

Its just that the endings are so bad that it makes us ignore the games other faults.


Having said that if Mass Effect 3 is judged as a Sci-fi third person shooter with some RPG Id easily give it an 8. Its great fun in that regard.

However, when judged and compared to the Mass Effect games that place strong emphasis on story and decisions it gets a 6 because all of that gets pushed to the back in favor of action. The ultimate insult comes when the ending completely throws all that out.

I still do not believe that Mass Effect 3 is truly the game that Bioware wanted to make.

I DO believe that they had intended the Indoctrination theory to be the actual ending and that there would be another sequence at the end of the game in which Shepard overcomes the indoctrination and actually ends the reaper threat, but a deadline forced them to cut all of that and just end it with what they had.

I also liked the Dark Energy theory and the more I think about it I felt that the Dark Energy theory would have made ME4 much more possible.


Yes, I made this exact same post in another thread.

Sue me.

Modifié par merrick97, 09 mai 2012 - 11:47 .

[Father_Jerusalem]

slyguy200 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

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Right. Were the Ewoks a DEM in Jedi? They were only introduced in the last third of the trilogy... 

Just because something is new doesn't mean it's a DEM. The Crucible is found early in the game and the whole point of the game is to build it - not a DEM. The Catalyst is foreshadowed throughout the entire game - not a DEM. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a DEM.

Ewoks? Really? That is not a real comparison due to the fact that they didn't really solve anything, just helped a little.

And the ending was a D.E.M. Regardless of the game surrounding the making of it.

It comes with a new character that fits the D.E.M., it solves a seemingly unsolvable problem in an instant upon activation, and in an almost completely unexpected way.

I'd like you to do a little research for me, please.

Look up the term "MacGuffin".

Then look up the term "Deus ex Machina".

Once you're done, please come back here and tell us which one the Crucible is.

Thank you.