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[exskeeny]

 I read recently, in an un-related topic, that Femshep's story was lacking in comparison to her male counterpart. No details were given so I thought I would come to the wonderful character forum and ask your opinion or even specific instances were this happened.

My main playthrough has always been a Paragon Femshep and I saved everyone I could when I could( no deaths in suicide mission saved kaiden and romanced Kaiden even stayed faithful.) 

So are these allegations true or is the difference miniscule and more based on your choices through the series?

-Keeny

[Ageless Face]

didn't see how it was lacking. In fact, Femshep in ME3 has actually extra dialogues to her. I don't think Maleshep has.
Unless you are talking about the romances. if so, then yes. Very lacking.

[BatmanPWNS]

Except romance and not being able to get a punch from Vega (Double standard), FemShep gets the same stuff MaleShep (Sheploo is just the main default face for Shepard)

[exskeeny]

That makes sense, if anything I thought it would be the romances.

Cheers

[Sugarjaye]

Yeah, the only thing i've been reading that was different were the new romances, a single femshep get's screwed, as there are no new male LI, cause if you kill kaiden in 1, and the romance Thane or Jacob in 2 you end up all alone.... *sob*

[kumquats]

exskeeny wrote...

 I read recently, in an un-related topic, that Femshep's story was lacking in comparison to her male counterpart. No details were given so I thought I would come to the wonderful character forum and ask your opinion or even specific instances were this happened.

My main playthrough has always been a Paragon Femshep and I saved everyone I could when I could( no deaths in suicide mission saved kaiden and romanced Kaiden even stayed faithful.) 

So are these allegations true or is the difference miniscule and more based on your choices through the series?

-Keeny

In case of romance subplots, female Shepard got screwed. ^.^
Other then that, she is exactly like male Shepard, there is no difference.
Or maybe someone can point out where the difference is, because I didn't find anything.

And female Shepard got screwed for an amazing leather Jacket, the dress is crap.
First of all there are still Basic Instinct moments and second of all I hate sporty dresses, make it elegant like Kasumi's or give me the leather Jacket.

Did anyone even ask the women on the team what they thought of the male romances and that dress? Where they really okay with that?
I hope not.

[Tashash]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Except romance and not being able to get a punch from Vega (Double standard), FemShep gets the same stuff MaleShep (Sheploo is just the main default face for Shepard)

Agreed.

Oh, you don't like Kaidan or let him to die on Virmire? Sucks to be you.

Oh, you romanced Jacob? Sorry, he gets infected with ****-ism and six months later is making babies with another woman. 

Oh, you romanced Thane? Well, you knew he was dying. Huh? What lung transplant? What new medigel formula? *sweeps under rug*

Oh, you didn't want to romance Garrus in ME2? Well aren't you picky?

Here, have Traynor, Allers and Liara. What you want a hetero romance? Prude.

Thanks BW, really.

Modifié par Tashash, 09 mai 2012 - 06:59 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

kumquats wrote...

And female Shepard got screwed for an amazing leather Jacket, the dress is crap.

THIS was my biggest disappointment (in terms of ManShep vs. FemShep, anyway), tbh. I would have killed to get an actual female version of that leather jacket outfit. Killed.

Even if the dress wasn't horrible, I'd still want that jacket. It's much more FemShep than the dress, IMO.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 09 mai 2012 - 10:37 .

[exskeeny]

I never wore the dress personally, I watched a youtube video with femshep in it and all I could think was"good god woman, cross your legs!"

[Quething]

Tashash wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Except romance and not being able to get a punch from Vega (Double standard), FemShep gets the same stuff MaleShep (Sheploo is just the main default face for Shepard)

Agreed.

Oh, you don't like Kaidan or let him to die on Virmire? Sucks to be you.

Oh, you romanced Jacob? Sorry, he gets infected with ****-ism and six months later is making babies with another woman. 

Oh, you romanced Thane? Well, you knew he was dying. Huh? What lung transplant? What new medigel formula? *sweeps under rug*

Oh, you didn't want to romance Garrus in ME2? Well aren't you picky?

Here, have Traynor, Allers and Liara. What you want a hetero romance? Prude.

Thanks BW, really.

It's not like queer femSheps made out much better. Allers is a joke, not a romance. Poor Sam is at least taken seriously, but as far as actual content she gets about as much facetime and connection-building as Kelly did in ME2. Ashley's not even an option, for... no actual reason whatsoever, so basically it's either Liara or a half-romance with someone you didn't even meet until the last chapter of Shep's story. Meanwhile queer dude!Sheps get to choose between two of the only four romances in 3 that are actually meaty enough to be worthy of the name.

So basically in terms of choice and quality of content it goes straight dude!Shep > queer dude!Shep > queer fem!Shep > straight fem!Shep. Any way you split it femShep gets screwed. (Or... not, actually, which is exactly the problem.)

Oh, yeah, and the leather jacket, and the fact that femShep's textures are still mostly at half the resolution of dudeShep's. And Legion is still wearing what's clearly dudeShep's armor, although I suppose it's probably a bit too late to save that at this point. But imagine how cool it could have been if they'd actually had two different character models in 2 depending on your Shep? (Even better, if Legion had therefore been interpreted as "female" by the rest of the crew, if dressed in "female" armor? Could have been an absolutely brilliant statement on the totally arbitrary male-as-default nonsense, even better than Shale in DA:O).

Modifié par Quething, 09 mai 2012 - 02:41 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

Quething wrote...
Oh, yeah, and the leather jacket, and the fact that femShep's textures are still mostly at half the resolution of dudeShep's. And Legion is still wearing what's clearly dudeShep's armor, although I suppose it's probably a bit too late to save that at this point. But imagine how cool it could have been if they'd actually had two different character models in 2 depending on your Shep? (Even better, if Legion had therefore been interpreted as "female" by the rest of the crew, if dressed in "female" armor? Could have been an absolutely brilliant statement on the totally arbitrary male-as-default nonsense, even better than Shale in DA:O).

You mean you want Legion to have a boob? I'm on board with that. However, I think though it's the masculine voice that leads to them calling Legion a he.  The armor on Legion, very ambigous and vague because all it is, is broken up shoulder armor.

I've always wanted Legion and EDI to swap voices for a day to screw with everyone on the Normandy with their silly organic social ways. Then in ME3 suddenly they wanted to define themselves by silly organic social ways and that fantasy got ruined. I guess though, I could always write it out in fan fiction.

The armor set Liara creepily keeps in her apartment though, not just clearly from a male but it looks to be larger than even manShep.

[CptData]

Well, at least romantic-wise, BW basically tells the player:

"You're playing fem!Shep? You're doing it wrong."

I don't play fem!Shep, but definitely support Vega as straight LI for fem!Sheps. Seriously - in worst case you only have Garrus left. If he survived ME2 (which seems to be the default decision if you start a new game in ME3) - and if you romanced him.
Kaidan? Can die on Virmire.
Jacob? Cheats on you.
Thane? Dies.

I'm a dude and I feel bad for the girls playing ME. Not every girl is into lesbian sex ...

[Pathetisad]

Yes it was. How come Kaiden can suddenly be gay for a male shep if they wish, but oh no Ashley can't be

[Vapaa]

No, not story-wise

[Patchwork]

In the romance department and exchanging the leather jacket for a re-colour of Allers tacky dress FemShep players were definitely short changed but otherwise the content was the same as BroSheps.

Out of interest did we ever get an explanation for the dress?

[Pathetisad]

Ser Bard wrote...

In the romance department and exchanging the leather jacket for a re-colour of Allers tacky dress FemShep players were definitely short changed but otherwise the content was the same as BroSheps.

Out of interest did we ever get an explanation for the dress?

Possible laziness? They just took it from the 'Kasumi' DLC in ME2

Modifié par Pathetisad, 09 mai 2012 - 04:12 .

[Quething]

Legion's armor is pretty clearly male Onyx heavy. If you're femShep you've never worn armor that looks anything like that. The big glowing circle on the pauldron stands out particularly.

Ser Bard wrote...

In the romance department and exchanging the leather jacket for a re-colour of Allers tacky dress FemShep players were definitely short changed but otherwise the content was the same as BroSheps.

Out of interest did we ever get an explanation for the dress?

Best explanation I've heard:

Remember that they were outfitting the ship, and specifically the captain's cabin, for Anderson, while Shep sat around cooling her heels in the brig.

And if Anderson wants to feel pretty sometimes, I am not one to stand in his way.

Modifié par Quething, 09 mai 2012 - 04:46 .

[EricHVela]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Except romance and not being able to get a punch from Vega (Double standard), FemShep gets the same stuff MaleShep (Sheploo is just the main default face for Shepard)

Wait. My brain is remembering something about femShep decking Vega.

I'll have to go back and look.

Yes. During the "dance". Socked him twice. Same option as broShep.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 09 mai 2012 - 04:56 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

Quething wrote...

Best explanation I've heard:

Remember that they were outfitting the ship, and specifically the captain's cabin, for Anderson, while Shep sat around cooling her heels in the brig.

And if Anderson wants to feel pretty sometimes, I am not one to stand in his way.

At least it's better than the idea that Anderson specifically filled the closet with the intention of handing command back over to Shepard, which means he decided his pseudo-daughter figure should have a sleazy black leather dress as her only casual wear.

ReggarBlane wrote...

Wait. My brain is remembering something about femShep decking Vega.

I'll have to go back and look.

Yes. During the "dance". Socked him twice. Same option as broShep.

Get a punch from Vega. Meaning Vega punches Shepard.

I didn't know about this since I haven't done ManShep, but if it's true that Vega pulls his punches just because Shep is female then that's insulting. Shepard is a soldier first, regardless of what's in his/her pants.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 10 mai 2012 - 12:54 .

[Calibrations Expert]

HagarIshay wrote...

didn't see how it was lacking. In fact, Femshep in ME3 has actually extra dialogues to her. I don't think Maleshep has.
Unless you are talking about the romances. if so, then yes. Very lacking.

But femshep can romance Garrus, and that's like.......15 times all the others. Purely for the fact that it's possible.

[SilentK]

CptData wrote...

Well, at least romantic-wise, BW basically tells the player:

"You're playing fem!Shep? You're doing it wrong."

I don't play fem!Shep, but definitely support Vega as straight LI for fem!Sheps. Seriously - in worst case you only have Garrus left. If he survived ME2 (which seems to be the default decision if you start a new game in ME3) - and if you romanced him.
Kaidan? Can die on Virmire.
Jacob? Cheats on you.
Thane? Dies.

I'm a dude and I feel bad for the girls playing ME. Not every girl is into lesbian sex ...

As much as I loved playing through the Kaidan-romance there is a definite lack of male LI:s in ME3. Loved the Traynor-romance as well, but sometimes you just want a guy and all of them can't romance Kaidan. Know I'll go back to ME2 to get Garrus but I had two FemShep's with Jacob and one started for Thane. One romanced Traynor, I guess I'll make every other one lesbian.

[Sugarjaye]

Calibrations Expert wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

didn't see how it was lacking. In fact, Femshep in ME3 has actually extra dialogues to her. I don't think Maleshep has.
Unless you are talking about the romances. if so, then yes. Very lacking.

But femshep can romance Garrus, and that's like.......15 times all the others. Purely for the fact that it's possible.

But if you never romanced him in ME2 than your completely out of luck, And Kaiden is just so.. Meh to me.

[2leggywillow]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

Wait. My brain is remembering something about femShep decking Vega.

I'll have to go back and look.

Yes. During the "dance". Socked him twice. Same option as broShep.

Get a punch from Vega. Meaning Vega punches Shepard.

I didn't know about this since I haven't done ManShep, but if it's true that Vega pulls his punches just because Shep is female then that's insulting. Shepard is a soldier first, regardless of what's in his/her pants.

He does not pull any punshes with FemShep.  Vega will bloody her up the same as a ManShep.  The people who didn't get that option simply picked the wrong combination of interrupts.

In regards to the topic, I don't think FemShep's story was lacking at all.  The only discrepancy comes from how the ME2 LIs were handled.  Their content was all optional, though Miranda and Jack definitely end up better than Thane and Jacob (as in, at least the former relationships can continue, which is how most people seem to be measuring it).

Modifié par 2leggywillow, 10 mai 2012 - 03:36 .

[Asdara]

You'd think that Bioware/EA would have some clue as to female motivations for playing their product as avidly as we do might have something to do with the potential for character interaction and specifically romances. I mean, seriously, I would be surprised if that wasn't completely provable by some sort of survey, say on here for example. Hence, it makes absolutely no damn sense to shaft us in the romance department of all bloody places. It's like they don't want us to buy their stuff.