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[LiarasShield]

Actually after the ending where we give into the reapers and the the reaper creator chooses are best ways to commit suicide and either let the reapers live or trapt our own forces in our damaged solar system

I really no longer care about how lore effects the multiplayer anymore I mean the whole ending broke the lore so why can't the multiplayer break the lore in a fun way?

[Crypticqa]

You can't seriously think that every single female from entire species would stay on Tuchanka.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Oninagwa wrote...

I was mentioning all the interactions and converstions, and not just the killing of one trooper. Tuchanka is a death world, where everything from the plants up is evolved to prey on each other.

Eve's converstions do show females would go to fight, as they have endured and sacrificed more than the males could imagine.

They have endured in a different way. they endured torture for a cure to genophage. They endured being infertile and having dead babies comeout by the hundreds.

Dosen't make them skilled fighters. It dosen't matter if they won't fight for the reasons i keep repeating. 

1.Most wouldn't 
2.THe males wouldn't let them. Like seriously. 
3.They don't know how to fight expecially against synthetics/zombies/and elite troopers armed with the most advanced tech know to the universe. If they fought anything it was most likley wildlife and i doubt they even did that. Most females probaly stay in the female camp with the children while the male camp hunts. 

[LiarasShield]

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

X Alastar X wrote...

I see whats going on here youre not looking at this realistically. Imagine if you will your home country was invaded by an insanely powerful enemy yes? You and your countryman will be hunted down and obliterated no matter where you hide. Your homes crops and businesses razed to the ground. Faced with an enemy that does not tire knows no mercy and will not stop until your entire people are systematically eradicated. Do you actually believe against a force like that they would say "nah leave it to the brogans" lmao

Following this train of thought.  Imagine your species has been slowly dying out for millennia and finally has a chance at returning to its original strength. The only hope for the future is ensuring the females of your race are kept alive. Do you actually believe they would then send them on what would be suicide missions for untrained civilians.?

Since the krogan are mostly a war like race and since the women like the men would have to survive on a desert like planet where war rages everywhere I'm pretty sure they're trained or strong enough to handle the n7 forces

And once again they'd only would need 1 or 2 women to stay because they can birth a thousand krogan within the span of a year the rest of the women could still go fight

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Crypticqa wrote...

You can't seriously think that every single female from entire species would stay on Tuchanka.

No but most would. 

They've spent their entire lifespans with the sole goal of trying to concieve children, it's the centerpiece of life on tuchanka. it seems reasonable to think they would take advantage of the oppurtunity. 

[Cyonan]

 

X Alastar X wrote...
I see whats going on here youre not looking at this realistically. Imagine if you will your home country was invaded by an insanely powerful enemy yes? You and your countryman will be hunted down and obliterated no matter where you hide. Your homes crops and businesses razed to the ground. Faced with an enemy that does not tire knows no mercy and will not stop until your entire people are systematically eradicated. Do you actually believe against a force like that they would say "nah leave it to the brogans" lmao

 

Combat is not the only role to play in a war. Even the Krogan need non combatants to maintain equipment, keep supply lines running, lead whats left of their species, etc.

LiarasShield wrote...

Actually after the ending where we give into the reapers and the the reaper creator chooses are best ways to commit suicide and either let the reapers live or trapt our own forces in our damaged solar system

I really no longer care about how lore effects the multiplayer anymore I mean the whole ending broke the lore so why can't the multiplayer break the lore in a fun way?

Nobody's opinion on the ending really matters though in a discussion about MP using lore. MP still is heavily based on lore.

Modifié par Cyonan, 29 mai 2012 - 12:49 .

[LiarasShield]

if the ending to single player breaks the lore or does not follow the lore then why would multiplayer still focus on the lore if it afffects single player if the lore its self was destroyed in the ending of the single player

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

LiarasShield wrote...

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

X Alastar X wrote...

I see whats going on here youre not looking at this realistically. Imagine if you will your home country was invaded by an insanely powerful enemy yes? You and your countryman will be hunted down and obliterated no matter where you hide. Your homes crops and businesses razed to the ground. Faced with an enemy that does not tire knows no mercy and will not stop until your entire people are systematically eradicated. Do you actually believe against a force like that they would say "nah leave it to the brogans" lmao

Following this train of thought.  Imagine your species has been slowly dying out for millennia and finally has a chance at returning to its original strength. The only hope for the future is ensuring the females of your race are kept alive. Do you actually believe they would then send them on what would be suicide missions for untrained civilians.?

Since the krogan are mostly a war like race and since the women like the men would have to survive on a desert like planet where war rages everywhere I'm pretty sure they're trained or strong enough to handle the n7 forces

And once again they'd only would need 1 or 2 women to stay because they can birth a thousand krogan within the span of a year the rest of the women could still go fight

So much flawed logic. 

1.Not every krogan(Even the males) is considered elite. They are strong but that does not mean they are great with a gun or biotics. 

2.Your second point is silly. Tuchanka is a dangerous place without the reapers. How are they going to protect those 1000 babies?  they aren't going to let 1 or 2 stay. Women are going to be hoarded on the planet till their population stabilizes. 

[NinthGeorgesw]

LiarasShield wrote...

Since the krogan are mostly a war like race and since the women like the men would have to survive on a desert like planet where war rages everywhere I'm pretty sure they're trained or strong enough to handle the n7 forces

And once again they'd only would need 1 or 2 women to stay because they can birth a thousand krogan within the span of a year the rest of the women could still go fight

Do you have any knowledge of genetics etc? 1000 to 2000 Krogans would not sustain a viable population. And fighting on Tuchanka would not involve females. If you had played ME2 you would know they are kept in camps to keep safe.

[LiarasShield]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

X Alastar X wrote...

I see whats going on here youre not looking at this realistically. Imagine if you will your home country was invaded by an insanely powerful enemy yes? You and your countryman will be hunted down and obliterated no matter where you hide. Your homes crops and businesses razed to the ground. Faced with an enemy that does not tire knows no mercy and will not stop until your entire people are systematically eradicated. Do you actually believe against a force like that they would say "nah leave it to the brogans" lmao

Following this train of thought.  Imagine your species has been slowly dying out for millennia and finally has a chance at returning to its original strength. The only hope for the future is ensuring the females of your race are kept alive. Do you actually believe they would then send them on what would be suicide missions for untrained civilians.?

Since the krogan are mostly a war like race and since the women like the men would have to survive on a desert like planet where war rages everywhere I'm pretty sure they're trained or strong enough to handle the n7 forces

And once again they'd only would need 1 or 2 women to stay because they can birth a thousand krogan within the span of a year the rest of the women could still go fight

So much flawed logic. 

1.Not every krogan(Even the males) is considered elite. They are strong but that does not mean they are great with a gun or biotics. 

2.Your second point is silly. Tuchanka is a dangerous place without the reapers. How are they going to protect those 1000 babies?  they aren't going to let 1 or 2 stay. Women are going to be hoarded on the planet till their population stabilizes. 

The whole point being is is that they don't need that many women to stay to keep the population in check and some of the strong krogan women can still go fight the reapers once again I just think you don't want to see them be added hence why you're so against it

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

LiarasShield wrote...

if the ending to single player breaks the lore or does not follow the lore then why would multiplayer still focus on the lore if it afffects single player if the lore its self was destroyed in the ending of the single player

Nonsensical 

[NinthGeorgesw]

LiarasShield wrote...

if the ending to single player breaks the lore or does not follow the lore then why would multiplayer still focus on the lore if it afffects single player if the lore its self was destroyed in the ending of the single player

This is a forum about Multiplayer. It is not for moaning about the singleplayer.

[Cyonan]

LiarasShield wrote...

if the ending to single player breaks the lore or does not follow the lore then why would multiplayer still focus on the lore if it afffects single player if the lore its self was destroyed in the ending of the single player

Because it's all our own opinions on the ending, and because this isn't the place to discuss the ending of single-player.

No matter what people say, the MP is still based heavily on lore. It just has a few cases of game mechanics > lore such as everyone being allowed to play the Krogan Vanguard rather than just 500-1000 of us. The characters themselves all fit, however.

[LiarasShield]

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Since the krogan are mostly a war like race and since the women like the men would have to survive on a desert like planet where war rages everywhere I'm pretty sure they're trained or strong enough to handle the n7 forces

And once again they'd only would need 1 or 2 women to stay because they can birth a thousand krogan within the span of a year the rest of the women could still go fight

Do you have any knowledge of genetics etc? 1000 to 2000 Krogans would not sustain a viable population. And fighting on Tuchanka would not involve females. If you had played ME2 you would know they are kept in camps to keep safe.

Um actually i have played me2 did grunts loyalty mission to have him become part of clan urdnot also did mordins mission to destroy or keep the potential cure data so actually don't try to give me a lecture about me2 since I have played and download my import shepard into me3 but still none of the women where shown other then the dead ones at clan werlock for trying to find the cure I still once again believe that a few women would go fight while onnly sum would need to stay since it wouldn't take that much to stablize the population once the krogan have the cure

[Crypticqa]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Crypticqa wrote...

You can't seriously think that every single female from entire species would stay on Tuchanka.

No but most would. 

They've spent their entire lifespans with the sole goal of trying to concieve children, it's the centerpiece of life on tuchanka. it seems reasonable to think they would take advantage of the oppurtunity. 

True and I understand why they are like that. But still,they could allow few of them fight so everyone is happy. Considering how fast they can reproduce, I don't really think it would be that big problem.
Wrex in ME2 mentions that other clans sometimes attacks female clans and that females can indeed fight, so can their children. And really, if they can train vorcha, they can train anyone

[Delta095]

I'm not trying to troll or anything but anything that is not already modeled in the game is almost certainly not going to be modeled for MP.

Not to mention, a lot of these species' females are either the exact same or completely useless. Krogan females are kept out of war so that they can make babies and stuff, Salarian females are APPARENTLY not used for combat.

I didn't even know vorcha had females, or that they looked or sounded any different than males.

Bottom line though, at least to me, is that they're not going to go through the trouble of concept art-ing, designing, modelling, voicing, and clothing an entire gender just for multiplayer. Another thing to consider is that having them is completely pointless, since they'd probably make no individual impact whatsoever. In other words, why does there need to be females of every race?

[LiarasShield]

So once again I think you just don't want to see them be added

[X Alastar X]

You keep talking like we need the entirety of the female population to go. We only need 4. As to your response to my last post....really? You cant repopulate after complete annihilation. Im not saying every female krogan is on the frontlines we only need 4 and there is absolutely no argument that makes 4 females fighting improbable. Not 1

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

LiarasShield wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

X Alastar X wrote...

I see whats going on here youre not looking at this realistically. Imagine if you will your home country was invaded by an insanely powerful enemy yes? You and your countryman will be hunted down and obliterated no matter where you hide. Your homes crops and businesses razed to the ground. Faced with an enemy that does not tire knows no mercy and will not stop until your entire people are systematically eradicated. Do you actually believe against a force like that they would say "nah leave it to the brogans" lmao

Following this train of thought.  Imagine your species has been slowly dying out for millennia and finally has a chance at returning to its original strength. The only hope for the future is ensuring the females of your race are kept alive. Do you actually believe they would then send them on what would be suicide missions for untrained civilians.?

Since the krogan are mostly a war like race and since the women like the men would have to survive on a desert like planet where war rages everywhere I'm pretty sure they're trained or strong enough to handle the n7 forces

And once again they'd only would need 1 or 2 women to stay because they can birth a thousand krogan within the span of a year the rest of the women could still go fight

So much flawed logic. 

1.Not every krogan(Even the males) is considered elite. They are strong but that does not mean they are great with a gun or biotics. 

2.Your second point is silly. Tuchanka is a dangerous place without the reapers. How are they going to protect those 1000 babies?  they aren't going to let 1 or 2 stay. Women are going to be hoarded on the planet till their population stabilizes. 

The whole point being is is that they don't need that many women to stay to keep the population in check and some of the strong krogan women can still go fight the reapers once again I just think you don't want to see them be added hence why you're so against it

I don't want to see them added and that's why i'm against it? duh. But i don't want to see them added because i like MP staying lore adjacent. Not because i'm a sexist like you keep implying everyone is in this thread who disagrees with you

and on top of your just horrible justifications that make little to no sense you still have not responded how it dosen't break lore to 2 of my points.

1.THE MALES WOULDN'T LET THEM. 
2.THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIGHT. 

They also would need as many females as possible incase the attack against earth fails to maintain a population for a long term war against the reapers. it would be a terrible idea on the krogans part to let any woman who wants to fight do it. 

[LiarasShield]

Pretty sure krogan women know how to fight not only that but have defended their own clans against alot of the males once they have the cure some of the krogan women can go fight the reapers because 1 female alone can produce a thousand children within a year they would not need to keep so many women on that planet and you keep acting

Like the male krogan control the women with absolute control but eve already shatters that illusion by putting wrex or wreav in his place so I think the female krogan make their own decisions just as much as the males

[NinthGeorgesw]

LiarasShield wrote...
Um actually i have played me2 did grunts loyalty mission to have him become part of clan urdnot also did mordins mission to destroy or keep the potential cure data so actually don't try to give me a lecture about me2 since I have played and download my import shepard into me3 but still none of the women where shown other then the dead ones at clan werlock for trying to find the cure I still once again believe that a few women would go fight while onnly sum would need to stay since it wouldn't take that much to stablize the population once the krogan have the cure

If you have played ME2, you will know that many Krogan talk about the female camps, where they are kept safe. Also, the Krogan don't want to stabilize, they want to increase their numbers massively, and not end up with 1000 Krogan that are all genetically similar.

[Delta095]

LiarasShield wrote...

if the ending to single player breaks the lore or does not follow the lore then why would multiplayer still focus on the lore if it afffects single player if the lore its self was destroyed in the ending of the single player

Bioware makes lore as they go along. They made the universe. Whatever they say is lore, is lore.

It's not that it breaks lore. It's just that it makes no logical sense, and completely breaks the pace and tone of the narrative. And it uses a plot device that is terrible for this kind of game.

I'm not going to point out why what you said was funny though.

[X Alastar X]

The anti female krogan argument is not one of lore or sense. Just people who dont want them in mp. Some reasons i can understand the redundancy of adding them when bw could be working on totally different and game enhancing...things. Well i guess almost every real reason ties into that one lol but really this is overall an argument of personal preference not lore. Dont try and misrepresent it k thx

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Crypticqa wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Crypticqa wrote...

You can't seriously think that every single female from entire species would stay on Tuchanka.

No but most would. 

They've spent their entire lifespans with the sole goal of trying to concieve children, it's the centerpiece of life on tuchanka. it seems reasonable to think they would take advantage of the oppurtunity. 

True and I understand why they are like that. But still,they could allow few of them fight so everyone is happy. Considering how fast they can reproduce, I don't really think it would be that big problem.
Wrex in ME2 mentions that other clans sometimes attacks female clans and that females can indeed fight, so can their children. And really, if they can train vorcha, they can train anyone

A much more valid point than the other person arguing for your point of view. I appreciate your lack of "SEXISM!" accusations. 

They may be able to fight but i don't think they would be able to on a n7 level. they likley don't have any military training or any fight expierence outside of the rare clan raids and local wildlife. 

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

X Alastar X wrote...

The anti female krogan argument is not one of lore or sense. Just people who dont want them in mp. Some reasons i can understand the redundancy of adding them when bw could be working on totally different and game enhancing...things. Well i guess almost every real reason ties into that one lol but really this is overall an argument of personal preference not lore. Dont try and misrepresent it k thx

Don't try to speak for me 

K thx