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[lionjesus]

@LiarasShield.

Yes Eve mentioned females would fight for their species if needed but even then, I don't think she's implying it as "they'll leave tuchanka to go actively fight reapers". It seemed much more a "if they come to our world, they'll show em who's who". So the thought of tens of thousands of female krogans who are incredibly valued in their species for breeding capability, would just be allowed to fight is a bit of a leap. The men would not let them...based on what we've seen of the male krogans in the single player games, the likelyhood of even a dozen being allowed to go fight is slim, let alone thousands and thousands.

And as for "ohh they only need some to stay and breed while the others fight" they're trying to rebuild a whole civilization to a mass empire...thats gonna take almost every female they have to do...the krogans don't half arse it when it comes to breeding.

I'd love to have a fem krogan/salarian/turian in the mp, The thing is , other than the turians, the lore kind of says no to it.

[NinthGeorgesw]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Crypticqa wrote...

True and I understand why they are like that. But still,they could allow few of them fight so everyone is happy. Considering how fast they can reproduce, I don't really think it would be that big problem.
Wrex in ME2 mentions that other clans sometimes attacks female clans and that females can indeed fight, so can their children. And really, if they can train vorcha, they can train anyone

A much more valid point than the other person arguing for your point of view. I appreciate your lack of "SEXISM!" accusations. 

They may be able to fight but i don't think they would be able to on a n7 level. they likley don't have any military training or any fight expierence outside of the rare clan raids and local wildlife. 

Exactly. There is a massive difference between fighting off a few Varren, and fighting a Brute, Banshee and a few Ravagers all closing in on your position.

[X Alastar X]

I domt really have to you speak for yourself and lore does not back your argument against 4 female krogans brah it really doesnt and if you actually believe it does well thats on you brah not my problem

[Crypticqa]

X Alastar X wrote...

You keep talking like we need the entirety of the female population to go. We only need 4. As to your response to my last post....really? You cant repopulate after complete annihilation. Im not saying every female krogan is on the frontlines we only need 4 and there is absolutely no argument that makes 4 females fighting improbable. Not 1

This.

[X Alastar X]

And do note i have not once pulled the sexism card. I personally probably wouldnt play as one myself

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

X Alastar X wrote...

I domt really have to you speak for yourself and lore does not back your argument against 4 female krogans brah it really doesnt and if you actually believe it does well thats on you brah not my problem

You don't need to speak for me

But based on this post i think you need someone to speak for you. 

[X Alastar X]

Oooooh im so ashamed and hurt

[Cyonan]

X Alastar X wrote...

I domt really have to you speak for yourself and lore does not back your argument against 4 female krogans brah it really doesnt and if you actually believe it does well thats on you brah not my problem

It does support the argument.

Limited numbers due to the genophage has made every female Krogan precious. In Mass Effect 3 they still are considered precious either to keep the species alive(sabotaged genophage), or to rebuild the species(cured genophage). They generally aren't going to be allowed off world for combat purposes.

If the Alliance, Commander Shepard, or anyone else in the galaxy asked Wrex(or Wreav) for more elite soliders, they would never send females. It would be male Krogan, every single time.

The best lore based argument you could make for female additions to MP is the Turians, since Garrus confirmed that they are both A. in the miltiary and B. capable of going 1 on 1 with Garrus himself.

[NinthGeorgesw]

X Alastar X wrote...

And do note i have not once pulled the sexism card. I personally probably wouldnt play as one myself

No one is accusing you. Its LiarasShield that keeps calling everybody sexist because they care about the games lore.

Modifié par NinthGeorgesw, 29 mai 2012 - 01:12 .

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

X Alastar X wrote...

And do note i have not once pulled the sexism card. I personally probably wouldnt play as one myself

"Just people who dont want them in mp. Some reasons i can understand the redundancy of adding them when bw could be working on totally different and game enhancing...things. Well i guess almost every real reason ties into that one lol but really this is overall an argument of personal preference not lore. Dont try and misrepresent it k thx ^_^"


You didn't specifically say sexism, but by saying it's personal preference and not lore you are implying my opinion is purley based on "Krogan females ewww" 

[Incar]

No, no, no, no, no. Just no.

[LiarasShield]

X Alastar X wrote...

The anti female krogan argument is not one of lore or sense. Just people who dont want them in mp. Some reasons i can understand the redundancy of adding them when bw could be working on totally different and game enhancing...things. Well i guess almost every real reason ties into that one lol but really this is overall an argument of personal preference not lore. Dont try and misrepresent it k thx

Yup I feel the same way

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Crypticqa wrote...

X Alastar X wrote...

You keep talking like we need the entirety of the female population to go. We only need 4. As to your response to my last post....really? You cant repopulate after complete annihilation. Im not saying every female krogan is on the frontlines we only need 4 and there is absolutely no argument that makes 4 females fighting improbable. Not 1

This.

Ok but what's the arguementfor the 4 they let off world can fight on the n7 level? that these 4 female krogan who have probaly never fought anything tougher than a klixxen are equal to the galaxies elite? 

Modifié par Mysterious Stranger 0.0, 29 mai 2012 - 01:15 .

[X Alastar X]

Sorry cyonan but nowhere in the lore anywhere does it allude to 4 female krogan not possessing combat abilities equal to those of the operatives we have already nor does it state or support that 4 krogan would not be allowed to fight. Please if i am wrong show me a codex

[X Alastar X]

Absolutely not mysterious i even posted one personal reason right there that is not equal to "female krogans eeeeew"

[corporal doody]

what makes a petition "OFFICIAL"? is that like when someone on the internet says they win...therefore they Win? or they say something is fact or proof just cuz they say it is?

[Delta095]

OP isn't doing a good job of arguing his/her point.

I'm not prejudiced . I just think you're wrong on all accounts and arguing a point that you can't back up with anything better than "SEXISM!"

Three problems with your broken down, more intelligent point of view (now that I'm not watching you try to justify it like you actually know what you're talking about):

1. Some aren't modeled, and bioware isn't going to go through the trouble of doing that just for a few unhappy people.
2. Some don't fit lore, which despite your ridiculous "SP BRAKS DA LOR, Y NT MP" argument, is still important to bioware, and us.
3. Having some of them will almost certainly make no difference. Maybe with the quarians you've got soldier males and engineer/stuff females (and a mix of both) but other species may not be like that. In the krogan society, females are there exclusively to breed. For the rest, either they would do the EXACT same thing (I say this because I'm against adding a new gender of species just as an opportunity to use new powers) or fit a role that is completely useless to MP.

Do your research please, and do a better job of arguing your case. Maybe if you acted a bit smarter, you'd actually do a better job of getting people on your side.

[Crypticqa]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Crypticqa wrote...

X Alastar X wrote...

You keep talking like we need the entirety of the female population to go. We only need 4. As to your response to my last post....really? You cant repopulate after complete annihilation. Im not saying every female krogan is on the frontlines we only need 4 and there is absolutely no argument that makes 4 females fighting improbable. Not 1

This.

Ok but what's the arguementfor the 4 they let off world can fight on the n7 level? that these 4 female krogan who have probaly never fought anything tougher than a klixxen are equal to the galaxies elite? 

Again, Wrex said that other clans attack female clans and that females can fight, That is they fight other krogans not just some animals.Plus I am pretty sure that some infertile females are actually trained for fight to keep their fertile sisters safe. And if N7 forces are training vorchas, what makes you think they cant train krogans who probably know basics?
Dont get me wrong, I like the lore, but I also think this is possible.

[LiarasShield]

Yeah if they can train the vorcha which is even stupider then the krogan why wouldn't they be able to train a few krogan women who has defended their clans against other male krogan and know the basics it seems more silly to me

[Delta095]

My internet's too slow for me to edit my post. I didn't know that liarashield whatever wasn't the OP, so sorry OP. Change your reading of my prev. post however it fits.

[Cyonan]

X Alastar X wrote...

Sorry cyonan but nowhere in the lore anywhere does it allude to 4 female krogan not possessing combat abilities equal to those of the operatives we have already nor does it state or support that 4 krogan would not be allowed to fight. Please if i am wrong show me a codex

There probably are 4 female krogan that possess some kind of combat ability. There are probably more than 4 of them.

However, the females are branded as precious(this is mentioned many times in game), while the males are considered a lot more expendable since not as many of us is needed for sustaining a viable population. In such a case, Wrex(or Wreav) would never give them up to the N7 squads while they still have perfectly fine Krogan males sitting around. The last part is more character breaking than it is lore breaking, since Wrex is shown to be highly protective of the females.

It isn't so much that they CAN'T do it, it's that it doesn't make any sense for them to do it.

[NinthGeorgesw]

LiarasShield wrote...

Yeah if they can train the vorcha which is even stupider then the krogan why wouldn't they be able to train a few krogan women who has defended their clans against other male krogan and know the basics it seems more silly to me

The Vorcha are stupid, but spend their lives killing armed enemies in merc groups. Female Krogan will likely never fight an armed enemy. If they do, it will be a few Krogan, not an aggressive and united Reaper force.

[X Alastar X]

Argh just had a big old post typed up went to hit submit and my phone decided i wanted to press "or use standard form" not doing that again cheerio folks

[LiarasShield]

yeah but the vorcha need alot of their numbers to bring down a enemy because they lack brain power and don't have true skills other then high numbers and high health and as far as we know none of the vorcha have personally fought the reapers either yet or as far as we know still the krogan women are probably on more of a better footing then the vorcha and wouldn't require as much training as the vorcha personally once again for the millionth time you just don't want to play as them or see them get added

[Daveros]

Female Turians are a must, and were a must for ME3 in general. That's really it, from my standpoint.