DJBare wrote...
Come to think of it, the OP has added to my conspiracy theory regarding Hackett and Liara, especially as the most powerful information broker in the galaxy seems to have very little to offer in the way of information.
Do tell.
Samantha should be the new Shadow Broker. Not Liara.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 04:37
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 04:45
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While i liked Traynor, she was really a pointless character. Everything she did, Edi was doing previously.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 04:48
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Liara will be busy with little blue children.
So she can hire additional assistant, to help Glyph.
So she can hire additional assistant, to help Glyph.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 04:53
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I could be mistaken but I believe it's that they are both Cerberus and/or indoctrinated.The Cheat wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Come to think of it, the OP has added to my conspiracy theory regarding Hackett and Liara, especially as the most powerful information broker in the galaxy seems to have very little to offer in the way of information.
Do tell.
I would be all over that plot if Hackett turned out to be a traitor.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 04:53
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Agreed.
Shepard " So liara, the worlds best information broker in the galaxy, kniw where the cerberus base is?
Liara "No"
Shepard " AH well how about you traynor, who is my assistant and really should have absolutly no idea where the base could possibly be
Traynor " It's right here"
Traynor only knew where the Cerberus base was because she tracked Kai Leng's shuttle escaping Thessia.
Liara was busy escaping Thessia with Shepard, so I'm not going to hold that against the Shadow Broker.
She had the whole game to figure it out.
I am going to hold that against her.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 04:54
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Samantha wasn't tracking down the Cerberus missions herself. She's just relaying orders from Alliance command.
She figures out the message from Grissom Academy and Cerberus' involvement in Sanctuary. If Liara knew where Cerberus was, she wouldn't have waited to tell Shepard about it.
She figures out the message from Grissom Academy and Cerberus' involvement in Sanctuary. If Liara knew where Cerberus was, she wouldn't have waited to tell Shepard about it.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 04:55
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My pleasure, just keep in mind the information in that thread is not collated.The Cheat wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Come to think of it, the OP has added to my conspiracy theory regarding Hackett and Liara, especially as the most powerful information broker in the galaxy seems to have very little to offer in the way of information.
Do tell.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 04:58
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David7204 wrote...
Samantha wasn't tracking down the Cerberus missions herself. She's just relaying orders from Alliance command.
She tracked Kai Leng herself after he flees. That was on her own initiative.
She figures out the message from Grissom Academy and Cerberus' involvement in Sanctuary. If Liara knew where Cerberus was, she wouldn't have waited to tell Shepard about it.
That's the point: she doesn't.
The Shadow Broker is out classed by someone who did nothing but work in a lab before she was taken off Earth on the Normandy just because she worked on its refit.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:00
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Liara was concentrating on dissecting and gathering data on the Crucible, as well as acquiring resources through her channels, so it could be gathered that she might miss the things Traynor picked up on the military front in the time-crunched environment.
Really, the only reason Liara is even the Shadow Broker is out of the DLC's circumstances: along with Shepard, she chose to keep the contacts instead of silencing the Shadow Broker. A lapse in communication from SB would have suggested something was wrong, so they really didn't have a great opportunity to "find a replacement". It's not like there was an open-call job interview and they picked the most-qualified one out of the bunch (and that's coming from someone who does like Liara's character---more her ME1 persona). Liara just met the base qualifications, and could actually do the job based on her own merits.
Would Traynor make a better Shadow Broker? In the situation that anonymity could be passed over to her in the post-war universe, it's possible. She's smart and acts on intuition, and she's a relatively unknown up-and-comer in the military ranks. Plus, I think she's a pretty damn solid character, who seems built for "bigger" things than yeoman status. I think the broker needs to be able to physically defend themselves a bit more aggressively than Traynor can, though, in the event that they get caught off-guard---or if someone wants to forcefully take over duties.
Really, the only reason Liara is even the Shadow Broker is out of the DLC's circumstances: along with Shepard, she chose to keep the contacts instead of silencing the Shadow Broker. A lapse in communication from SB would have suggested something was wrong, so they really didn't have a great opportunity to "find a replacement". It's not like there was an open-call job interview and they picked the most-qualified one out of the bunch (and that's coming from someone who does like Liara's character---more her ME1 persona). Liara just met the base qualifications, and could actually do the job based on her own merits.
Would Traynor make a better Shadow Broker? In the situation that anonymity could be passed over to her in the post-war universe, it's possible. She's smart and acts on intuition, and she's a relatively unknown up-and-comer in the military ranks. Plus, I think she's a pretty damn solid character, who seems built for "bigger" things than yeoman status. I think the broker needs to be able to physically defend themselves a bit more aggressively than Traynor can, though, in the event that they get caught off-guard---or if someone wants to forcefully take over duties.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:02
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Double post.
Modifié par dreamgazer, 08 mai 2012 - 05:03 .
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:03
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Samantha needs to be like Kaiden and have her door swing both ways. My manSheps keep trying cuz she is so cute and has that savory accent. I mean if Kaiden can go Bi, why can't Samantha?
I do agree with Ieldra2 that Miranda would make more sense as the Shadow Broker. She could have used that as the way to hide from Cerberus and track down her sister. Liara should have concentrated on uncovering Protean stuff. Like TIM says to her "stick with what you are good at Dr. Tsoni".
I do agree with Ieldra2 that Miranda would make more sense as the Shadow Broker. She could have used that as the way to hide from Cerberus and track down her sister. Liara should have concentrated on uncovering Protean stuff. Like TIM says to her "stick with what you are good at Dr. Tsoni".
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:06
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grey_wind wrote...
This is actually more a problem with BioWare trying to make sure that Traynor has some depth. In an effort to give her character something to do, they completely made Liara pointless. All the things Traynor does would make a lot more sense anyway if they were done by Liara. It really does feel that the war was won by some random scientist who just happened to get stuck aboard the Normandy when it left Earth.
If you read the old script, it was Liara and EDI that discovered the connection with Cerberus and Sanctuary. So yeah, Liara lost a lot of her Shadow Broker powers to make Traynor stand out.
It's another reason I kind of don't like her. I think she stole some of my LI's job, which makes Liara's SB role more meaningless.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:11
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Given how Liara explains damn near nothing, we should have had the option to bench her in the Crucible for War Assets.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:13
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Well yeah, Liara spent all her free time making that Space Capsule. 
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:15
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humes spork wrote...
Would be a better Shadow Broker than Liara.
NORM! He totally would.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:15
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IamBlue wrote...
I wish we could have kept the yahg guy as the Shadow Broker. He would be an interesting squadmate!
Yeah except for the fact he couldn't fit through doors lol
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:15
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What the hell is this? Sorry but this seems like a praising Traynor post to me. Traynor is good and all but no way she can be better then Liara. Meh.
Also Liara was one of the best information traders on Nos Astra. She could tell you the location of an assassin without even looking at her files. ME 3 doesn't bring her Shadow Broker side.
Also Liara was one of the best information traders on Nos Astra. She could tell you the location of an assassin without even looking at her files. ME 3 doesn't bring her Shadow Broker side.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:18
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Liara only discovered the crucible...you know the sole reason we have any hope throughout all of ME3
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:22
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Another Liara hate thread? Seriously? Whatever. People always pick on whoever's on top.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:23
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Much as I love Liara, I can never pass up an opportunity to praise Samantha. Because Patrick Weekes wrote her and I like to imagine his kindly twinkly face breaking into a cheery smile.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:25
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Tom Lehrer wrote...
If Liara spent more time looking for real intel rather then getting dirt on all her friends she might get something done.
LOL
Seriously though, Liara > Traynor. Sorry.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:26
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well if you kill Liara she could...oh wait Samantha is trapped in Jurassic park being forced to have children of the crew, nevermid
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:27
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Liara's network of informants is severely depleted by the time of ME3 due to many of them being dead at the hand of or on the run from the Reapers. Even in the heydey of the Shadow Broker it could never get any really concrete intel on Cerberus either; they're extremely quick to contact Shepard in ME1 when he/she comes across some Cerberus research data. The only way you find Cerberus in ME3 is by tracking Kai Leng right after you encounter him on Thessia. Ragging on Liara for not being able to find them is stupid since the SB has never been able to do that even when its network has been at maximum efficacy.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:30
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I have to agree with you OP
I hate Samantha so pointless and annoying Kelly chambers was much better
Besides I love Liara she is the one for my shepard!
I hate Samantha so pointless and annoying Kelly chambers was much better
Besides I love Liara she is the one for my shepard!
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:30
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Noatz wrote...
Liara's network of informants is severely depleted by the time of ME3 due to many of them being dead at the hand of or on the run from the Reapers. Even in the heydey of the Shadow Broker it could never get any really concrete intel on Cerberus either; they're extremely quick to contact Shepard in ME1 when he/she comes across some Cerberus research data. The only way you find Cerberus in ME3 is by tracking Kai Leng right after you encounter him on Thessia. Ragging on Liara for not being able to find them is stupid since the SB has never been able to do that even when its network has been at maximum efficacy.
Well if you look at it that way, then the SB's profile is contradicted in this manner between ME and ME2, since the SB apparently has access to how many cigarettes TIM smokes in a day.
