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[frozngecko]

Liara is either really bad at it or is not really using her resources to help. All you see her do is help with the Crucible. Traynor is the real Shadow Broker, no question.

[ThatDancingTurian]

This has already been posted a few times, but it bears repeating.

Tom Lehrer wrote...

If Liara spent more time looking for real intel rather then getting dirt on all her friends she might get something done.

"Liara, why didn't you tell me Udina was planning a coup?"
"I was too busy finding out what naughty programs Tali was downloading for her Nerve-Stim. Do you want the list? I'm going to give you the list."
"NO, FOR THE LAST TIME, NO."

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 08 mai 2012 - 11:07 .

[SNascimento]

It makes sense... she is the one to point Horizon after all.

[OriginalNameGuy]

If Liara had all the answers that would just result in more threads about her being Bioware's "pet project" and "forced on the player". Its a lose lose situation.

[The Milky Waver]

I don't like Traynor. I think Feron or Barla Von would be better at being the Shadow Broker.

[sammysoso]

Traynor is definitely my favorite new character, made Liara obsolete.

Liara was never much of a character anyway, she was just whatever the writers wanted her to be at any given moment.

[Vormaerin]

Valentia X wrote...

Given how Liara explains damn near nothing, we should have had the option to bench her in the Crucible for War Assets.

Its obvious from day one that this is her highest and best use.   While she can fight (because all companions can) she's not a commando or other combat specialist type.   She is an expert on prothean stuff and she spends all her SB time on arranging crucible related stuff anyway.  Might as well do that from the secret crucible building pocket dimension where she has first hand access to the data and needs.

Plus, it would get rid of the silly space magic powers that let her carry glyph and all those computers she installs in her office in her butt cheeks or whereever they were during the Mars mission.

[mupp3tz]

The only good thing that came out of the whole Shadow Broker business is Glyph.

[The Angry One]

The Milky Waver wrote...

I don't like Traynor. I think Feron or Barla Von would be better at being the Shadow Broker.

Feron is a grunt, and Barla Von is the only person in the galaxy who doesn't know Liara is the Shadow Broker.
Yes I found the one person who's worse than she is.

[Vormaerin]

As much as I like Traynor, I doubt she'd be a good Shadowbroker. The ability to analyze communications traffic and run sorting algorithms has very little to do with being the SB. The SB isn't generally getting data him or herself. Being a good SB is about managing agents and being ruthless enough to use blackmail, burglary, and violence to garner secrets.

Liara's not very good at being ruthless, which is why she pretty much just burns up SB resources to fuel the crucible.

Samantha Traynor is even less ruthless than Liara and has even less management experience.

[The Angry One]

Well how about that guy on Earth who knows the contact details of every single one of your friends just by mentioning their names?

[Zix13]

To be fair, this was just more fail in the writing, not anything to do with her as a character.

[Vormaerin]

The Angry One wrote...

Well how about that guy on Earth who knows the contact details of every single one of your friends just by mentioning their names?

Yeah, that was a little silly...


Anyway, the correct answer for "which character in the game would be the best shadowbroker" was already given: Miranda.   She's a ruthless schemer with the necessary intellect and background in intrigue to do it well.

[mupp3tz]

Vormaerin wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Well how about that guy on Earth who knows the contact details of every single one of your friends just by mentioning their names?

Yeah, that was a little silly...


Anyway, the correct answer for "which character in the game would be the best shadowbroker" was already given: Miranda.   She's a ruthless schemer with the necessary intellect and background in intrigue to do it well.

I support this.  Plus it makes sense in context of her character... she is fully capable of doing the job, as she was TIM's second in command and is use to a bevy of info and how to best use it.  Being the Broker also fits in her with concern over Orianna and avoiding Cerberus -- the info she has access to allows her to do what she needs to do in both cases.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 08 mai 2012 - 11:46 .

[Vormaerin]

Zix13 wrote...

To be fair, this was just more fail in the writing, not anything to do with her as a character.

Well, the fail was making an unsuitable character into the Shadowbroker and then having her act in ways that compromise her ability to do well at the role within her limited abilities.   Flying around on a covert operations vessel that is frequently behind enemy lines is NOT the best way to keep control of a network of agents.  Especially a network in serious flux because of the war.

[Hellfire257]

Traynor == win.

Why doesn't the poor girl have a chair as well?

[grey_wind]

Vormaerin wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Well how about that guy on Earth who knows the contact details of every single one of your friends just by mentioning their names?

Yeah, that was a little silly...


Anyway, the correct answer for "which character in the game would be the best shadowbroker" was already given: Miranda.   She's a ruthless schemer with the necessary intellect and background in intrigue to do it well.

I personally think Miranda would be better suited to taking over Cerberus. She can be ruhtless but also has limits. I'm talking about the ME2 Cerberus, not the organization run by 5 year olds in ME3.

[Zix13]

Vormaerin wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

To be fair, this was just more fail in the writing, not anything to do with her as a character.

Well, the fail was making an unsuitable character into the Shadowbroker and then having her act in ways that compromise her ability to do well at the role within her limited abilities.   Flying around on a covert operations vessel that is frequently behind enemy lines is NOT the best way to keep control of a network of agents.  Especially a network in serious flux because of the war.

She was a succesful information broker on illium, though we don't know what exactly she did during that time. Also, she has Feron helping out. It seemed more like they just didn't want to make her a huge liability to the story by giving her the power the SB had. If anyone else was SB they would have to protect the plot in the exact same way. 

In other news, she didn't support curing the Krogan, don't know if you talked to her after the mission. Obviously she wouldn't provide Wrex with intel about that. 

[Shaoken]

In Liara's defence, the war has most of her agents busy, the beacon on Thessia was a tightly guarded secret, and the Shadow Broker relies a lot more on agents, who wouldn't have been able to report back from Horizon if they did go there.

[kyg_20X6]

Liara's a prothean expert who was never good with people, dragged into a war and grew to care about this group of people to the point that it is only she, nobody else, that risks it all to retrieve Shepard's body and bring him/her back. Forcing her into a war with the Shadow Broker, which Shepard helps her win. She holds onto the Broker's network to help Shepard, not because she'd be brilliant at it.

Traynor may have been better at finding intel but she's no soldier. Liara's fought on the frontline with Shepard, she doesn't hide from the bloody stuff. And there is no chance in hell Traynor would have got Shepard from the Collectors or stood against the Shadow Broker in the first place. Also, Liara is focused on the Crucible and winning the war (not possible 'distractions' like Grissom) and she is, understandably, distracted post-Thessia when it comes to finding Kai Leng.

And I dare say Liara maybe should have been finding some of these pieces of intel, but then you'd be complaining that she gets too much screen time. It'd make Traynor useless and take away from Mordin's importance, just to name a few. Liara was hamstringed as Broker to make some of the other characters have more of a role. Which I don't begrudge anyone. I don't mind Liara's depiction as Shadow Broker (coming from a fan). I do begrudge judging her without looking at the whole picture though. You can't have everything.

[LoganofET]

Dang. I didn't think of this, but now that I have, I have another grip with the writing. Just like every other time I go on BSN...

*Cries softly in a corner while cradling Tali Photo with crayon drawings of more "alien stuff" on it*

[kyg_20X6]

Shaoken wrote...

In Liara's defence, the war has most of her agents busy, the beacon on Thessia was a tightly guarded secret, and the Shadow Broker relies a lot more on agents, who wouldn't have been able to report back from Horizon if they did go there.

True.

Liara also does a lot of stuff you only hear in idle conversation (when you eavesdrop). Finding scientists, gaining intel about homeworlds, etc. It's also her that finds the plans for the Crucible in the first place (your one and only chance of winning the war, all because your Shadow Broker/Prothean Expert 'overexamined some intel').

[Elyiia]

Samantha isn't a better SB than Liara, the reason Samantha gets all those missions is for two reasons: One, she's right next to the galaxy map. Two, they needed a way for Samantha to stand out.

[LoganofET]

Elyiia wrote...

Samantha isn't a better SB than Liara, the reason Samantha gets all those missions is for two reasons: One, she's right next to the galaxy map.

And the SB can't get her own galaxy map?

[Velocithon]

I don't get why people think Liara is a bad SB. She really isn't doing what the SB normally does. Given the Reaper invasion, she's pretty much 100% focused on the Crucible and ways to defeat the Reapers. She isn't monitoring every little mercenary or operation like the SB did pre-invasion.