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[deadpixel92]

No.

[Docwagon1776]

The Wraith is ok, but to be a truly stand out weapon it needs to be able to fire both rounds faster. About the only class I ever use it on is Batarian Soldier since I can shoot a ballistic blade between the shots to keep the enemy staggered. Stagger with shotgun to the face, stagger with BB, stagger with shot to the face, heavy melee or grenade as applicable. Repeat as necessary.

[BlackDahlia424]

I've never used the Wraith. Does it shoot pellets or a slug?

[cronshaw]

If you can reload cancel I'm pretty sure the claymore is better. I really haven't tried it out so I don't know. But the only thing the wraith has going for it over the claymore is faster reload and fire rate.

[Serkevan]

Wraith is about the same, performance wise, as a Claymore of the same level or 1-2 levels higher, IMO. It is for a different playstyle, and it weighs far less in any case. I would only use the Claymore on Krogans and Infiltrators; for other classes it would be too heavy.

[Kronner]

I prefer Claymore. On all classes. I am just really addicted to it by now.

[Khuutra]

Really, Kronner? Would you ever use it on a Human Vanguard?

[Drayce333]

What is wrong with you people? Wraith is NOT comparable to the claymore. Wraith is a sad weapon and a sorry excuse for a ultra rare. 1. it is surpassed in all of its department by the Talon. 2. The rate of fire is slooooow and gives you a huge vulnerability window between shots. 3. the weight is low for a shotgun yes but unless you hacked it to X the tradeoff isn't worth it since the damage isn't special and the accuracy is low.

The biggest problem is the RoF, but there is also nothing special about it besides the weight. If it had armor penetration, or higher accuracy+damage it would be a great weapon.

[Serkevan]

Drayce333 wrote...

What is wrong with you people? Wraith is NOT comparable to the claymore. Wraith is a sad weapon and a sorry excuse for a ultra rare. 1. it is surpassed in all of its department by the Talon. 2. The rate of fire is slooooow and gives you a huge vulnerability window between shots. 3. the weight is low for a shotgun yes but unless you hacked it to X the tradeoff isn't worth it since the damage isn't special and the accuracy is low.

The biggest problem is the RoF, but there is also nothing special about it besides the weight. If it had armor penetration, or higher accuracy+damage it would be a great weapon.

Low accuracy? What game are you playing? It has one of the best accuracies of the shotguns... And its damage is high. Yes, Talon is better (it is one of the best weapons, IMO, at least from my experience with it while playing the campaign), but that does not automatically mean the Wraith is useless.

[DCko]

Try putting the wraith on Drell Van, Drell Adept, Asari Adept maybe? Extended barrel and Choke

The thing bypasses shield gating so that you are consistenly doing more pull -> reave or pull -> charge. But mine is only at V and my Talon is at VIII. So right now, I prefer the talon for the 3 classes above.

Modifié par DCko, 25 mai 2012 - 03:48 .

[silencekills]

I primarily sport a Geth infiltrator. This one day in particular, I was specced for proxmity mine spam. It may be different for other classes/races, but it wasn't for my Geth Infilitraitor when he was speeced for Weapon damage (+ proximy mine debuff) or my Human Infilitraitor (+ cryo debuff)

For me, on bronze one cloaked proximity mine and the Wraith makes clearing a wave insanely easy. Anything left alive after the proximity mine can be killed in one shot from the Wraith, and I can reload right before the next cloak. Killfeed is just full of proximity mine and Wrape.

Past bronze though, the Wraith stops killing stuff left alive in one hit (for silver probably because i'm not taking the weapon damage perks), so I don't see the use of it anymore. The Claymore does exactly what it does in one hit. Cloak, proximity mine for stagger and debuff, claymore to the face, reload, cloak. I always have the accuracy buff for Hunter mode (since extra recharge speed is useless) and the choke/barrel, so I can do that at a fairly long range. 

From the stats, I thought the Wraith would be great. Almost everything is high, two shots, less damage then the Claymore, but I can fire it twice AND it has less weight! Turned out that less damage meant I couldn't one shot an enemy and move on to the next, the weight difference was barely noticeable in practice, and it only added a step to my routine.

Besides, who doesn't like one cloak cyclying gold Ravagers from a good distance away?

[Serkevan]

silencekills wrote...

*snip*

Wraith I oneshots normal mobs on silver without full weapon damage.

[Drayce333]

Serkevan wrote...

Drayce333 wrote...

What is wrong with you people? Wraith is NOT comparable to the claymore. Wraith is a sad weapon and a sorry excuse for a ultra rare. 1. it is surpassed in all of its department by the Talon. 2. The rate of fire is slooooow and gives you a huge vulnerability window between shots. 3. the weight is low for a shotgun yes but unless you hacked it to X the tradeoff isn't worth it since the damage isn't special and the accuracy is low.

The biggest problem is the RoF, but there is also nothing special about it besides the weight. If it had armor penetration, or higher accuracy+damage it would be a great weapon.

Low accuracy? What game are you playing? It has one of the best accuracies of the shotguns... And its damage is high. Yes, Talon is better (it is one of the best weapons, IMO, at least from my experience with it while playing the campaign), but that does not automatically mean the Wraith is useless.

Well Graal has insane accuracy and GPS has like zero spread and has homing shots. The accuracy might be slighty slighty less than the claymore but the claymore does far superior damage. Also those two guns above do has a much bigger clip and can charge for more damage.

[anokie]

I have yet to find it in the specter pack but i think the saussage gun is buy far far far the most damagey shotgun in the worldy poops

Modifié par anokie, 25 mai 2012 - 04:05 .

[Serkevan]

Drayce333 wrote...

Serkevan wrote...

Drayce333 wrote...

What is wrong with you people? Wraith is NOT comparable to the claymore. Wraith is a sad weapon and a sorry excuse for a ultra rare. 1. it is surpassed in all of its department by the Talon. 2. The rate of fire is slooooow and gives you a huge vulnerability window between shots. 3. the weight is low for a shotgun yes but unless you hacked it to X the tradeoff isn't worth it since the damage isn't special and the accuracy is low.

The biggest problem is the RoF, but there is also nothing special about it besides the weight. If it had armor penetration, or higher accuracy+damage it would be a great weapon.

Low accuracy? What game are you playing? It has one of the best accuracies of the shotguns... And its damage is high. Yes, Talon is better (it is one of the best weapons, IMO, at least from my experience with it while playing the campaign), but that does not automatically mean the Wraith is useless.

Well Graal has insane accuracy and GPS has like zero spread and has homing shots. The accuracy might be slighty slighty less than the claymore but the claymore does far superior damage. Also those two guns above do has a much bigger clip and can charge for more damage.

GPS fires blanks off-host and all 3 of them weigh too much for a Vanguard. Wraith could use a slight buff, but is fine for a Vanguard, or a Human Soldier if you want some CS spam.

[Fortack]

Serkevan wrote...

GPS fires blanks off-host and all 3 of them weigh too much for a Vanguard. Wraith could use a slight buff, but is fine for a Vanguard, or a Human Soldier if you want some CS spam.

Why is weight important for Vanguards (or any class)? When you're going to Charge-Nova all day long weapons are redundant anyway. Personally I don't like that playstyle at all and prefer Claymore Vanguard which is very deadly when you play to its strengths.

Honestly, I don't care what weapon is "better". I do care about the cool (and fun) factor and for me there's nothing that can come close to the Claymore canon. It's my fav weapon in ME games

[mrcanada]

whalewhisker wrote...

No no no no no no no no no

Wraith is awful. Use Claymore or Talon.

Saying the Wraith is awful shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

On topic, at level three, the Claymore is much better.  At level X though, I'd be going with the Wraith.  But that's just me.

[mrcanada]

Fortack wrote...

Serkevan wrote...

GPS fires blanks off-host and all 3 of them weigh too much for a Vanguard. Wraith could use a slight buff, but is fine for a Vanguard, or a Human Soldier if you want some CS spam.

Why is weight important for Vanguards (or any class)? When you're going to Charge-Nova all day long weapons are redundant anyway. Personally I don't like that playstyle at all and prefer Claymore Vanguard which is very deadly when you play to its strengths.

Honestly, I don't care what weapon is "better". I do care about the cool (and fun) factor and for me there's nothing that can come close to the Claymore canon. It's my fav weapon in ME games

You honestly asked why weight matters to a Vanguard?

[Fortack]

mrcanada wrote...

You honestly asked why weight matters to a Vanguard?

Yeah, b/c weight (aka CD bonus) is overrated.

[Serkevan]

Fortack wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

You honestly asked why weight matters to a Vanguard?

Yeah, b/c weight (aka CD bonus) is overrated.

Try charging every 6 seconds instead of every 2. Then come back to me and tell me how do you tell the difference between a Human soldier and that kind of human vanguard.

[mrcanada]

Fortack wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

You honestly asked why weight matters to a Vanguard?

Yeah, b/c weight (aka CD bonus) is overrated.

Sometimes, but on a Vanguard, it is essential.  You don't know what you are talking about.....

[Pee Jae]

Difficulty matters a lot here. On Bronze, I slap proximity means at enemies and use the wraith to shred anything that's left. I've come up consistantly at the top doing that. (then people complain about you "kill stealing") The reload on the Claymore is a little too slow for me to do that, even with cancelling. On Silver and Gold, I need something a lot meatier. though. GPS or Claymore.

Of course, some people say it doesn't matter what your loadout is on Bronze. Those people are masochists.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

mrcanada wrote...

Fortack wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

You honestly asked why weight matters to a Vanguard?

Yeah, b/c weight (aka CD bonus) is overrated.

Sometimes, but on a Vanguard, it is essential.  You don't know what you are talking about.....

Only specifically on the ME2 styled HV, really. Most Vanguards can get by with reasonable CDs - like, maybe anywhere b/w 100-180%.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 25 mai 2012 - 04:53 .

[Serkevan]

t_skwerl wrote...

Difficulty matters a lot here. On Bronze, I slap proximity means at enemies and use the wraith to shred anything that's left. I've come up consistantly at the top doing that. (then people complain about you "kill stealing") The reload on the Claymore is a little too slow for me to do that, even with cancelling. On Silver and Gold, I need something a lot meatier. though. GPS or Claymore.

Of course, some people say it doesn't matter what your loadout is on Bronze. Those people are masochists.

I am awfully bad at shooters, have close to no reflexes and aim quite badly, and Bronze is still really easy for me.
Hoever, you will never see me saying that "opinions of Bronzers don't matter". It matters as much as of those who only play gold. For me, the balancing standard should be Silver.

EDIT:

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Only specifically on the ME2
styled HV, really. Most Vanguards can get by with reasonable CDs - like,
maybe anywhere b/w 100-180%.

What? ME2 Vanguard is the one that is NOT charging all day long. And a Claymore puts you, at most, at 80% or so.

Modifié par Serkevan, 25 mai 2012 - 04:56 .

[Kronner]

Serkevan wrote...

Try charging every 6 seconds instead of every 2. Then come back to me and tell me how do you tell the difference between a Human soldier and that kind of human vanguard.