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[Geneaux486]

Johcande XX wrote...
You start with a completely misguided view of how businesses, sales, and ROI factor into overall profitability; but in defending your erroneus claim, you decide to throw religion under the bus??  Really?

/ golf clap

Yeah, it's got me scratching my head a little to.

[MintyCool]

The hypocrisies with Retake members never cease to amaze me...

How many threads have you seen created with Retake members perpetuating the myth that Mass Effect 3 has been a financial failure?

The short answer: Alot.

I would say about a third of the threads posted over the last few months have included these talking points in one way or another. Every day desperate Retake members would constantly post random news out of context. Trying to find any bit of information that can be spun only to support the narrative they have carefully crafted. You were openly Rooting for ME3 to be a financial failure, and you know it.


But then what happened?

What always happens, dedicated forum members prove these slanderous remarks by Retake to be nothing more than myths by using factual evidence to support their claims.

Bioware members I ask you this: Have you ever seen a Retake thread use factual evidence of any kind? ever?

Exactly.



Looks like it's time for Retake to move onto the next conspiracy....

Checkmate.

Modifié par MintyCool, 09 mai 2012 - 01:47 .

[Muhkida]

At least MintyCool trolls in a more passive approach.... almost does it with some classiness (if that's not an irony).

[Sesshaku]

Stephenie Meyer sold a lot of books. That doesn't make them good.

I'm sorry but all those saying "HA, 200 million in your face" doesn't get the point at all. I couldn't care less if they win or loose a lot of money. What concerns me is that Bioware didn't make the trilogy justice and defend themselves on "artistic integrity". And that the ending sucked it's a fact. Otherwise they wouldn't need to make a free EC, even if they refuse to fix it and make it even worst, they still needed an EC, wich speaks great about 2 things:
-It's not a "vocal minority"
-The ending wasn't good.

Avatar made 1 billion....congratulations to James Cameron, i still won't see Avatar 2, and liked a lot more a smaller movie like Moon (2009).

If Bioware is going to choose the path of Transformers 4 and ****ty storys...well...they can sell all they want, but they lost they real fans, the one's that saw on Mass Effect one of the few good games that was (kind of ) science-fiction.
And finally....that doesn't say anything, most of us buyed the game on March, keeping ourselves out of all spoilers. Many of us are not going to do that again with Bioware. Im not saying they won't sell games, because they will, but they will lost loyal fans, because they made a terrible mistake and (what is worst) they didn't react well to it.

Modifié par Sesshaku, 09 mai 2012 - 01:37 .

[BigglesFlysAgain]

MintyCool wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Besides, the object of retake was not to stop people from buying the game, it was to get bioware to make changes to the ending (the extent of which varies depending on your brand of retake), the more people who buy the game and are dissapointed can only be good news for retake anyway

Load of rubbish...


Looks like it's time for Retake to move onto the next conspiracy....

Checkmate.

Hello minty, biggles air detective here, seems you think MY OPINION of the retake movement  from a Different thread means somthing, despite me never being a member, having a banner or joining their boards... well its nice to be thought of in that way but you should add a disclaimer stating its an opinion of the man in the street not a senior retake member as you would like to think

Modifié par BigglesFlysAgain, 09 mai 2012 - 01:37 .

[sAxMoNkI]

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Besides, the object of retake was not to stop people from buying the game, it was to get bioware to make changes to the ending (the extent of which varies depending on your brand of retake), the more people who buy the game and are dissapointed can only be good news for retake anyway

Load of rubbish...


Looks like it's time for Retake to move onto the next conspiracy....

Checkmate.

Hello minty, biggles air detective here, seems you think MY OPINION of the retake movement  from a Different thread means somthing, despite me never being a member, having a banner or joining their boards... well its nice to be thought of in that way but you should add a disclaimer stating its an opinion of the man in the street not a senior retake member as you would like to think

Quote of the day . Thankyou good sir for posting that excellent rebuttal.

[mcsupersport]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

People need to learn the difference between "sales" and "revenue."

EA is bleeding money right now.

$200 million of win.

Talk about a movement failing....

It's funny, because you don't understand how stock and revenue gain works.

To re-iterate. They lost twice as much as they gained from ME3.

You need to learn to read the form.

Losses are in ( ) and profit is not.  Thus EA earned 76(Million I assume) or a .23 Diluted profit per share at end date March 2012.  They lost in 2011 (276) (Million I assume).

So no they didn't lose money by that form....


Now the real question will be pre-orders for the next AAA title from Bioware-EA.

Edited to fix the numbers misquoted.

Modifié par mcsupersport, 09 mai 2012 - 01:50 .

[MintyCool]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Besides, the object of retake was not to stop people from buying the game, it was to get bioware to make changes to the ending (the extent of which varies depending on your brand of retake), the more people who buy the game and are dissapointed can only be good news for retake anyway

Load of rubbish...


Looks like it's time for Retake to move onto the next conspiracy....

Checkmate.

Hello minty, biggles air detective here, seems you think MY OPINION of the retake movement  from a Different thread means somthing, despite me never being a member, having a banner or joining their boards... well its nice to be thought of in that way but you should add a disclaimer stating its an opinion of the man in the street not a senior retake member as you would like to think

Quote of the day . Thankyou good sir for posting that excellent rebuttal.

A Retake member cheering about the fact that someone doesn't want to join there extremist movement...

That makes sense...

Modifié par MintyCool, 09 mai 2012 - 01:44 .

[Geneaux486]

MintyCool wrote...
Bioware members I ask you this: Have you ever seen a Retake thread use factual evidence of any kind? ever?

Yes, I'm a pro-ender and even I recognize that.  So what's with the religious bigotry in the Mass Effect forum?

Modifié par Geneaux486, 09 mai 2012 - 01:44 .

[Everwarden]

Keep in mind most of that money was made before it was widely known how bad the end was. 

Though I don't really regret my purchase. The game was still exceptionally good until the last ten minutes.

[G Kevin]

mcsupersport wrote...

You need to learn to read the form.

Losses are in ( ) and profit is not.  Thus EA earned 400(Million I assume) or a 1.20 Diluted profit per share at end date March 2012.  They lost in 2011 (276) (Million I assume).

So no they didn't lose money by that form....


Now the real question will be pre-orders for the next AAA title from Bioware-EA.

From what I got, in a twelve month period, EA is actually losing money. In a three month period, they profit but in the long run it's not helping them.

But I have no idea if I am right or wrong here.

[mcsupersport]

MintyCool wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Besides, the object of retake was not to stop people from buying the game, it was to get bioware to make changes to the ending (the extent of which varies depending on your brand of retake), the more people who buy the game and are dissapointed can only be good news for retake anyway

The hypocrisies with Retake members never cease to amaze me...

How many threads have you seen created with Retake members perpetuating the myth that Mass Effect 3 has been a financial failure?

The short answer: Alot.

I would say about a third of the threads posted over the last few months have included these talking points in one way or another. Every day desperate Retake members would constantly post random news out of context. Trying to find any bit of information that can be spun only to support the narrative they have carefully crafted. You were openly Rooting for ME3 to be a financial failure, and you know it.


But then what happened?

What always happens, dedicated forum members prove these slanderous remarks by Retake to be nothing more than myths by using factual evidence to support their claims.

Bioware members I ask you this: Have you ever seen a Retake thread use factual evidence of any kind? ever?

Exactly.



Looks like it's time for Retake to move onto the next conspiracy....

Checkmate.

I doubt many re-takers thought ME 3 would be a success, too much marketing and too many pre-orders due to the good name and rep it had.  The question of the day will be how the next AAA title from Bioware goes and that will determine who won or lost this battle.  Personally I think there will be significantly less pre-orders for two reasons, one it should be DA3 which lost a large following already due to DA2 and the flack from the ending ME3.  But only time will tell and only Bioware/EA will know the numbers of DLC purchased since they will NOT release that info.

[MintyCool]

mcsupersport wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

People need to learn the difference between "sales" and "revenue."

EA is bleeding money right now.

$200 million of win.

Talk about a movement failing....

It's funny, because you don't understand how stock and revenue gain works.

To re-iterate. They lost twice as much as they gained from ME3.

You need to learn to read the form.

Losses are in ( ) and profit is not.  Thus EA earned 400(Million I assume) or a 1.20 Diluted profit per share at end date March 2012.  They lost in 2011 (276) (Million I assume).

So, no, they didn't lose money by that form....

Checkmate.

[Geneaux486]

MintyCool wrote...
Checkmate.

...are you real?

[Everwarden]

MintyCool wrote...

A Retake member cheering about the fact that someone doesn't want to join there extremist movement...

Extremist movement? Someone be trollin'. 

[Eyeshield21]

MintyCool wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Besides, the object of retake was not to stop people from buying the game, it was to get bioware to make changes to the ending (the extent of which varies depending on your brand of retake), the more people who buy the game and are dissapointed can only be good news for retake anyway

The hypocrisies with Retake members never cease to amaze me...

How many threads have you seen created with Retake members perpetuating the myth that Mass Effect 3 has been a financial failure?

The short answer: Alot.

I would say about a third of the threads posted over the last few months have included these talking points in one way or another. Every day desperate Retake members would constantly post random news out of context. Trying to find any bit of information that can be spun only to support the narrative they have carefully crafted. You were openly Rooting for ME3 to be a financial failure, and you know it.


But then what happened?

What always happens, dedicated forum members prove these slanderous remarks by Retake to be nothing more than myths by using factual evidence to support their claims.

Bioware members I ask you this: Have you ever seen a Retake thread use factual evidence of any kind? ever?

Exactly.



Looks like it's time for Retake to move onto the next conspiracy....

Checkmate.

Seriously, do you have a fetish for the word checkmate? Cause you put that in almost every post you make, I've noticed.

[mcsupersport]

G Kevin wrote...

mcsupersport wrote...

You need to learn to read the form.

Losses are in ( ) and profit is not.  Thus EA earned 400(Million I assume) or a 1.20 Diluted profit per share at end date March 2012.  They lost in 2011 (276) (Million I assume).

So no they didn't lose money by that form....


Now the real question will be pre-orders for the next AAA title from Bioware-EA.

From what I got, in a twelve month period, EA is actually losing money. In a three month period, they profit but in the long run it's not helping them.

But I have no idea if I am right or wrong here.

Not that I could see, I see I was looking at the 3 month for the numbers instead of the 12 month but even with that it isn't in () and is around 76(million) and .23 stock while the previous year ending March 2011 was (276)million indicating a loss of 276 million.  Sorry for the wrong info, will edit my post couldn't see the top very well in the quoting box.

[sAxMoNkI]

MintyCool wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

BigglesFlysAgain wrote...

Besides, the object of retake was not to stop people from buying the game, it was to get bioware to make changes to the ending (the extent of which varies depending on your brand of retake), the more people who buy the game and are dissapointed can only be good news for retake anyway

Load of rubbish...


Looks like it's time for Retake to move onto the next conspiracy....

Checkmate.

Hello minty, biggles air detective here, seems you think MY OPINION of the retake movement  from a Different thread means somthing, despite me never being a member, having a banner or joining their boards... well its nice to be thought of in that way but you should add a disclaimer stating its an opinion of the man in the street not a senior retake member as you would like to think

Quote of the day . Thankyou good sir for posting that excellent rebuttal.

A Retake member cheering about the fact that someone doesn't want to join there extremist movement...

That makes sense...

Well if you interpreted it that way then of course it wouldn't make sense.

However that wasn't the intent of the comment, my intent was to state my approval for a person outside of this retaker/proender ridiculousness calling you on one of your ludicrously hyperbolic posts in a succint and well put manner. Now why don't you run off and make one of your extremist, hyperbolic, long winded rants so it can get locked again. (See? exaggerations and half truths are easy).

[Singu]

In the end what matters is what investors see when they take a hard look at EA, not what some game journalist writes. Like I wrote two pages ago, EA is loosing on the NASDAQ. Right now. 200mill $ in sales means nothing when your stocks drop over 5% in a single day.

http://www.proactive...ocus-28772.html

Check that ... mate.

Modifié par Singu, 09 mai 2012 - 01:59 .

[jengelb1]

How much gross it made is irrelevant. The interesting question is how much net profit it made. How much did the game cost to make in the first place, and was it a good return on the investment?

Could they have used the time working on ME3 to work on another game that would've made them a larger profit? The cost of time is hard to measure, but it is extremely important. Even if ME3 made a good profit, if that time could have been spent on a game that made more, then ME3 was a loss.

We don't have the information to come to any conclusions. Even EA themselves can't calculate the exact figures without some error.

Losing loyal customers to the degree they have is very bad. Keep in mind, for every 1 vocal unhappy customer, there are several more who don't speak up. They just go away, never to return.

[MintyCool]

Geneaux486 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...
Bioware members I ask you this: Have you ever seen a Retake thread use factual evidence of any kind? ever?

So what's with the religious bigotry in the Mass Effect forum?

Religious parallels intertwine with both Retake and ME3. If you feel uncomfortable discussing these parallels openly and respectfully...well...

..Then feel free to find a church. You'll feel at ease knowing that your linear perspective will never be challenged with facts or insight. Knowledge over ignorance, always.




Checkmate.

Modifié par MintyCool, 09 mai 2012 - 02:03 .

[Geneaux486]

MintyCool wrote...
Religious parallels intertwine with both Retake and ME3. If you feel uncomfortable about discussing these parallels openly and in a respectful manner...

You're not discussing it in respectful manner, but something tells me you're already well aware of that.  Your analogy was bigotted, hypocritical, and downright nonsensical.

..Then feel free to find a church. You'll feel at ease knowing that your linear perspective will never be challenged with facts or insight. Knowledge over ignorance, always.

 
My persepctive is not linear, and my faith has been challenged countless times over by people much more competent than you.  Sorry, more competent than you portray yourself as being, as I'm beginning to suspect you are not genuine.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 09 mai 2012 - 02:04 .

[G Kevin]

MintyCool wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...
Bioware members I ask you this: Have you ever seen a Retake thread use factual evidence of any kind? ever?

So what's with the religious bigotry in the Mass Effect forum?

Religious parallels intertwine with both Retake and ME3. If you feel uncomfortable discussing these parallels openly and respectfully...well...

..Then feel free to find a church. You'll feel at ease knowing that your linear perspective will never be challenged with facts or insight. Knowledge over ignorance, always.



Checkmate.

I am not surprised that you get banned occasionally.

[MintyCool]

G Kevin wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

MintyCool wrote...
Bioware members I ask you this: Have you ever seen a Retake thread use factual evidence of any kind? ever?

So what's with the religious bigotry in the Mass Effect forum?

Religious parallels intertwine with both Retake and ME3. If you feel uncomfortable discussing these parallels openly and respectfully...well...

..Then feel free to find a church. You'll feel at ease knowing that your linear perspective will never be challenged with facts or insight. Knowledge over ignorance, always.



Checkmate.

I am not surprised that you get banned occasionally.

Many people wish it mate.

The big fish eat the little fish, and I, keep on paddling.

Modifié par MintyCool, 09 mai 2012 - 02:05 .