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[FJVP]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Then play something else and stop ****ing on this forum.  I am sick of your kind telling those of us that love the game to hate it.  You don't like me loving it?  Too bad.  If you can't get over minor or non issues too bad.  I am sick of hearing you spoiled little children whine.

I'm also tired of pro-enders like you trying to constantly belittle the people that have issues with the game. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you do not have the right to tell anyone to go away simply because they don't like the game. If you spot a thread that obviously is about how the game was bad then avoid it, it is exactly what I do when I see a thread that will clearly devolve into mindless pro-ending vs anti-ending debate, because I know that it makes my blood boil.

[FatalX7.0]

G Kevin wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Then play something else and stop ****ing on this forum.  I am sick of your kind telling those of us that love the game to hate it.  You don't like me loving it?  Too bad.  If you can't get over minor or non issues too bad.  I am sick of hearing you spoiled little children whine.

We stick around because even with the glaring flaws, Mass Effect is something we love. We care about it and we know that we can easily fix this and turn this whole thing around.

My post wasn't directed at you.  It was directed at someone who clearly hates the game.

My point is, its sounds like we hate the game with a fiery passion but we do so because we love Mass Effect and want it to be something better.

I and many others wouldn't be so disappointed and so vocal if we didn't love the series so much.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 09 mai 2012 - 03:49 .

[KotorEffect3]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Glad to see this game doing well despite all the whining on the bsn. There are those of us that do love it.

Blasphemy.

The game is an atrocity.

The only blasphemy is your lack of perspective and your refusal to acknowledge it's greatness hater. 

What greatness? The auto-dialogue? Conversations that you don't participate in? Ton of fetch quests? Linear gameplay? Small environments? Cheap and redundant character reunions? Animation glitches? Dialogue/Audio cutting off? Tali face photoshop? Forced story aspects? Character disconnection and contradiction? An ending that is a rip-off of Deus Ex?

Tuchanka and Rannoch were nice, and aside from that, the combat was decent. Thr combat was the focus and there are still games with way better combat.

Yeah, greatness alright.

A bloody disappointment.

Then play something else and stop ****ing on this forum.  I am sick of your kind telling those of us that love the game to hate it.  You don't like me loving it?  Too bad.  If you can't get over minor or non issues too bad.  I am sick of hearing you spoiled little children whine.

Someone is an ass and took my initial reply far, far too seriously.

My kind? What, girls?

I don't care if you like it or not, but don't claim that it's great and it's a fact no matter what. That is an opinion, not a fact.

I don't think any of that is really minor or "non-issues", either. Most of my beef with the game is that nearly everything from the previous games has been thrown away and disregarded. The game being dumbed down, forced and really small is a minor issue?

Maybe if you never played Mass Effect 1 and 2. And enjoyed them.

This all started when you had a go at me for saying I loved the game and you then called it an atrocity as if that is fact than you have the gall to accuse me of calling my opinion fact when you were doing the same thing.  And yes to me those are minor issues or non issues.  Guess what there are no perfect games ever.  If I truly wanted to I could pick apart every single damn game I have ever played but I don't do that because I have perspective.  And yes I have played ME 1 and ME 2 countless time so you can take your assumptions and stick it.

[vv238email]

I wished that I could look at this and say, 'Good for them. They made a great game and deserve the money.' Sadly, this isn't the case. They probably made most of this money in the first couple weeks before the ending fiasco really took off. It's just sad that I have to look at this and think to myself well they only deserve 99% of the money because they only made 99% of a game.
I wished that I enjoyed the ending, I just don't. It pains me that since ME1 BioWare has been adamant about fan reaction, yet when it comes down to the time when it really matters they hide behind artistic integrity and look down their noses at us. I can't blame EA for it, BioWare should be at fault here, they lied to us and don't deserve our time anymore.
EA, BioWare, I hope you enjoy the last $60 I'll ever spend on you.

[Muhkida]

I'm surprised John hasn't shot this thread down yet. Maybe he's having a hard time looking for a youtube video to end this with.

[MintyCool]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Then play something else and stop ****ing on this forum.  I am sick of your kind telling those of us that love the game to hate it.  You don't like me loving it?  Too bad.  If you can't get over minor or non issues too bad.  I am sick of hearing you spoiled little children whine.

Check and Mate.

[FatalX7.0]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Glad to see this game doing well despite all the whining on the bsn. There are those of us that do love it.

Blasphemy.

The game is an atrocity.

The only blasphemy is your lack of perspective and your refusal to acknowledge it's greatness hater. 

What greatness? The auto-dialogue? Conversations that you don't participate in? Ton of fetch quests? Linear gameplay? Small environments? Cheap and redundant character reunions? Animation glitches? Dialogue/Audio cutting off? Tali face photoshop? Forced story aspects? Character disconnection and contradiction? An ending that is a rip-off of Deus Ex?

Tuchanka and Rannoch were nice, and aside from that, the combat was decent. Thr combat was the focus and there are still games with way better combat.

Yeah, greatness alright.

A bloody disappointment.

Then play something else and stop ****ing on this forum.  I am sick of your kind telling those of us that love the game to hate it.  You don't like me loving it?  Too bad.  If you can't get over minor or non issues too bad.  I am sick of hearing you spoiled little children whine.

Someone is an ass and took my initial reply far, far too seriously.

My kind? What, girls?

I don't care if you like it or not, but don't claim that it's great and it's a fact no matter what. That is an opinion, not a fact.

I don't think any of that is really minor or "non-issues", either. Most of my beef with the game is that nearly everything from the previous games has been thrown away and disregarded. The game being dumbed down, forced and really small is a minor issue?

Maybe if you never played Mass Effect 1 and 2. And enjoyed them.

This all started when you had a go at me for saying I loved the game and you then called it an atrocity as if that is fact than you have the gall to accuse me of calling my opinion fact when you were doing the same thing.  And yes to me those are minor issues or non issues.  Guess what there are no perfect games ever.  If I truly wanted to I could pick apart every single damn game I have ever played but I don't do that because I have perspective.  And yes I have played ME 1 and ME 2 countless time so you can take your assumptions and stick it.

If you can't tell that that wasn't a serious comment and an exaggeration, don't reply. Or perhaps ask if I was being serious, instead of resorting to such a large of amount of rage.

Do I hate the game? No.

Does it disappoint me? Very much so. Everything I enjoyed about Mass Effect was taken away.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 09 mai 2012 - 03:53 .

[KotorEffect3]

FJVP wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Then play something else and stop ****ing on this forum.  I am sick of your kind telling those of us that love the game to hate it.  You don't like me loving it?  Too bad.  If you can't get over minor or non issues too bad.  I am sick of hearing you spoiled little children whine.

I'm also tired of pro-enders like you trying to constantly belittle the people that have issues with the game. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you do not have the right to tell anyone to go away simply because they don't like the game. If you spot a thread that obviously is about how the game was bad then avoid it, it is exactly what I do when I see a thread that will clearly devolve into mindless pro-ending vs anti-ending debate, because I know that it makes my blood boil.

I am not a pro-ender I am pro-mass effect 3.  I wasn't crazy about the ending but I sitll loved the game so watch your assumptions.  With that said I find pro-enders alot easier to get along than I do the retake crowd.

[G Kevin]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

I and many others wouldn't be so disappointed and so vocal if we didn't love the series so much.

True enough. I just hope EC will pull through.

We've gained significant attention from Bioware and I have a feeling something is coming.

Something we all love.

Modifié par G Kevin, 09 mai 2012 - 03:54 .

[KotorEffect3]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Glad to see this game doing well despite all the whining on the bsn. There are those of us that do love it.

Blasphemy.

The game is an atrocity.

The only blasphemy is your lack of perspective and your refusal to acknowledge it's greatness hater. 

What greatness? The auto-dialogue? Conversations that you don't participate in? Ton of fetch quests? Linear gameplay? Small environments? Cheap and redundant character reunions? Animation glitches? Dialogue/Audio cutting off? Tali face photoshop? Forced story aspects? Character disconnection and contradiction? An ending that is a rip-off of Deus Ex?

Tuchanka and Rannoch were nice, and aside from that, the combat was decent. Thr combat was the focus and there are still games with way better combat.

Yeah, greatness alright.

A bloody disappointment.

Then play something else and stop ****ing on this forum.  I am sick of your kind telling those of us that love the game to hate it.  You don't like me loving it?  Too bad.  If you can't get over minor or non issues too bad.  I am sick of hearing you spoiled little children whine.

Someone is an ass and took my initial reply far, far too seriously.

My kind? What, girls?

I don't care if you like it or not, but don't claim that it's great and it's a fact no matter what. That is an opinion, not a fact.

I don't think any of that is really minor or "non-issues", either. Most of my beef with the game is that nearly everything from the previous games has been thrown away and disregarded. The game being dumbed down, forced and really small is a minor issue?

Maybe if you never played Mass Effect 1 and 2. And enjoyed them.

This all started when you had a go at me for saying I loved the game and you then called it an atrocity as if that is fact than you have the gall to accuse me of calling my opinion fact when you were doing the same thing.  And yes to me those are minor issues or non issues.  Guess what there are no perfect games ever.  If I truly wanted to I could pick apart every single damn game I have ever played but I don't do that because I have perspective.  And yes I have played ME 1 and ME 2 countless time so you can take your assumptions and stick it.

If you can't tell that that wasn't a serious comment and an exaggeration, don't reply. Or perhaps ask if I was being serious, instead of resorting to such a large of amount of rage.

Do I hate the game? No.

Does it disappoint me? Very much so. Everything I enjoyed about Mass Effect was taken away.

I can't read minds and since I don't have the context of tone of voice when I am reading someone's comment don't expect me to automaticaly assume you were joking or whatever.

[FatalX7.0]

jreezy wrote...

MintyCool wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Then play something else and stop ****ing on this forum.  I am sick of your kind telling those of us that love the game to hate it.  You don't like me loving it?  Too bad.  If you can't get over minor or non issues too bad.  I am sick of hearing you spoiled little children whine.

Check and Mate.

You still doing that?

It might seem cool if not for the arrogance.

[Goaliebot]

The numbers that truly matter are projected revenues vs actual revenues, across the main game, DLC, and MP.

If actual revenues fall short of projected, then it's a failure. Meet or exceed and it's a success.

None of us have access to either number, therefore debating this one report of 200 million is without context or meaning and ultimately completely fruitless.

[FJVP]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FJVP wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Then play something else and stop ****ing on this forum.  I am sick of your kind telling those of us that love the game to hate it.  You don't like me loving it?  Too bad.  If you can't get over minor or non issues too bad.  I am sick of hearing you spoiled little children whine.

I'm also tired of pro-enders like you trying to constantly belittle the people that have issues with the game. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you do not have the right to tell anyone to go away simply because they don't like the game. If you spot a thread that obviously is about how the game was bad then avoid it, it is exactly what I do when I see a thread that will clearly devolve into mindless pro-ending vs anti-ending debate, because I know that it makes my blood boil.

I am not a pro-ender I am pro-mass effect 3.  I wasn't crazy about the ending but I sitll loved the game so watch your assumptions.  With that said I find pro-enders alot easier to get along than I do the retake crowd.

I stand corrected then. But my point still stands, if you don't like what you're seeing in a topic then avoid it. At this point it is clear that neither side will be convinced until the EC gives both of them something to talk about. And since this thread is already devolving into pure bickering then I will be leaving now.

Modifié par FJVP, 09 mai 2012 - 03:56 .

[FatalX7.0]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Glad to see this game doing well despite all the whining on the bsn. There are those of us that do love it.

Blasphemy.

The game is an atrocity.

The only blasphemy is your lack of perspective and your refusal to acknowledge it's greatness hater. 

What greatness? The auto-dialogue? Conversations that you don't participate in? Ton of fetch quests? Linear gameplay? Small environments? Cheap and redundant character reunions? Animation glitches? Dialogue/Audio cutting off? Tali face photoshop? Forced story aspects? Character disconnection and contradiction? An ending that is a rip-off of Deus Ex?

Tuchanka and Rannoch were nice, and aside from that, the combat was decent. Thr combat was the focus and there are still games with way better combat.

Yeah, greatness alright.

A bloody disappointment.

Then play something else and stop ****ing on this forum.  I am sick of your kind telling those of us that love the game to hate it.  You don't like me loving it?  Too bad.  If you can't get over minor or non issues too bad.  I am sick of hearing you spoiled little children whine.

Someone is an ass and took my initial reply far, far too seriously.

My kind? What, girls?

I don't care if you like it or not, but don't claim that it's great and it's a fact no matter what. That is an opinion, not a fact.

I don't think any of that is really minor or "non-issues", either. Most of my beef with the game is that nearly everything from the previous games has been thrown away and disregarded. The game being dumbed down, forced and really small is a minor issue?

Maybe if you never played Mass Effect 1 and 2. And enjoyed them.

This all started when you had a go at me for saying I loved the game and you then called it an atrocity as if that is fact than you have the gall to accuse me of calling my opinion fact when you were doing the same thing.  And yes to me those are minor issues or non issues.  Guess what there are no perfect games ever.  If I truly wanted to I could pick apart every single damn game I have ever played but I don't do that because I have perspective.  And yes I have played ME 1 and ME 2 countless time so you can take your assumptions and stick it.

If you can't tell that that wasn't a serious comment and an exaggeration, don't reply. Or perhaps ask if I was being serious, instead of resorting to such a large of amount of rage.

Do I hate the game? No.

Does it disappoint me? Very much so. Everything I enjoyed about Mass Effect was taken away.

I can't read minds and since I don't have the context of tone of voice when I am reading someone's comment don't expect me to automaticaly assume you were joking or whatever.

Uh-huh.

[Sohlito]

Goaliebot wrote...

The numbers that truly matter are projected revenues vs actual revenues, across the main game, DLC, and MP.

If actual revenues fall short of projected, then it's a failure. Meet or exceed and it's a success.

None of us have access to either number, therefore debating this one report of 200 million is without context or meaning and ultimately completely fruitless.

Agreed.

But I doubt that many will understand that point.

Modifié par Sohlito, 09 mai 2012 - 04:03 .

[ShepnTali]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Dj14365 wrote...
Also the fact that you refered to yourself as god on the ending thread .

Okay so he is a troll then. 

LOL... regardless of what side who's on, that would indicate the ultimate trollin'!

[Aweus]

Anyone surprised that ME3 sold well needs a reality check. Of course the game sold well, it was destined even before the release. To use that fact as any sort of confirmation that game is objectively fine is a fallacy. Since I preordered the CE I guess this makes me a "pro-ender" as well? Ha-ha.

Did the game sold well? Yes it did. Could it sold better? Most likely it could. Those facts brings nothing meaningful to the ending discussion. Extended Cut however is the solid proof that there is an issue at hand. If it would only be nitpicking and whining Bioware would not do ****. Yet they are doing something which means they are concerned. Bulk of ME3 sales is a thing of the past anyway. The game is now for DLC numbers and Bioware's next title (DA3?).

[Muhkida]

FJVP wrote...

I stand corrected then. But my point still stands, if you don't like what you're seeing in a topic then avoid it. At this point it is clear that neither side will be convinced until the EC gives both of them something to talk about. And since this thread is already devolving into pure bickering then I will be leaving now.

To be fair, KotorEffect3 was responding to FatalX7.0's jest and his words were directed to that person.  Things may have gotten out of context but sarcasm can be tricky to spot on the internet sometimes.

And take this for what you will as I rarely agree with anything that KotorEffect3 says, but he's in the right side of this argument.  Could he just ignore it?  Yeah, but when something is directed to you, it's only fair to give them a piece of your mind.  I know I would.

[incinerator950]

[thefallen2far]

Take the 200mil with a grain of salt.

The highest grossing movies' opening weekend are based on the quality of the previous installment.

case in point:
Spider-Man 2 $88 million Spider-Man 3 $151 million
X-men 2 $85 million X-men 3 $102 million
Austin Powers 2 $54 million Austin Powers 3 $73 million

and in contrast
Planet of the Apes 2001 $68 million - Rise of the Planet of the Apes $54 million
Wolverine Origins - $85 million - X-Men first class - $54 million
Shrek 3rd $121 million - Shrek 4 $71

[Ridwan]

We still discussing sales here or has this thread moved to something else?

[20x6]

Optimystic_X wrote...

StElmo wrote...

www.destructoid.com/mass-effect-3-makes-over-200-million-in-sales-227119.phtml

Kinda makes me feel irrelevant as a fan, I think I'm just going to give up all together. If they have all the money they need, why should they care about fan feedback?

Oh well, nice knowing you all, probably going to not bother with BSN anymore, if the game is a winner for EA, there's no point pressuring them to make changes or do anything to please fans.

You mean they don't need to make Extended Cut at all, but they're doing it anyway? And they don't care about our feedback?

Do you even see the contradiction? <_<

I won't argue the orginal post was a bit... mellodramatic.
How-EVAH!

I've posted this before in the last month or so.  I'll break it down again.

• Bioware is a niche gaming company.  Their audience is mainly geared towards the early twenties to mid thirty year old crew who enjoy a great story.
• Bioware found its place in a very competitive market by creating more market share.  They didn't really much of the existing market share.  Their major breakthrough was Neverwinter nights.  Not so much for the game itself, but the Aurora toolset.  DnD players now had the tools to make their dungeons come to life with a little C script and hak packs from the community.  This is not really the Call of Duty crowd...
• Bioware gets acquired by EA.  If you haven't noticed it, Mass Effect has undergone some obvious and some subtle changes over the three iterations.

• The first game was heavy RPG, Heavy Story, Large scope
• The second game evolved into a shooter with heavy character development, but small scope.
• The third game evolved into gears of war with the ME storyline and a plethora of characters needing closure.  Priority went to Chobot (to acquire a new fan base if possible... I mean, hey!  She licked something... and she has boobs!) and to multiplayer.  Next thing you know, they'll find a way to bring Nascar and deep fried twinkies into the franchise....  Move development OFF of the story and put it on frivolus things to tap into a different market than the current target audience.

This is basically where we are at.  Bioware is targeting the larger, less "cultured" mass of people who play online shooters for the sake of playing online shooters.  They are slowly moving Bioware into this realm because it is easier to keep that group of people entertained with a bunch of small efforts like making new maps, weapons and conditions for winning rather than writing more epic stories.  Someone spends 10 minutes making a weapon and EA pulls in a few million in sales.

---------------------

Back to the point...

Bioware is only releasing extended content for a high-risk PR move.  They haven't attracted the larger market to their brand yet - which means they still need their old fan base throwing money at them, but they need some kind of carrot to get the new fan base over to replace the old to, in short, maximize profits and lower the risk on investment by targetting the mainstream.

The extended content has abo****ely NOTHING to do with them "caring" as most normal people define "Caring".  This is all a strategic transition that didn't go as smoothly as they were hoping.


And if you don't believe me... look at a game company called Bungie.
Look at their old games and then look at them after Halo.

Marathon, Oni, Myth (all different and awesome)
Then Halo came out.... and that's all they do.


Hedge fund economics 101.
Find the lowest common denominator customer, take a product, dumb it down and rehash it over and over and over and then dump the old and aqcuire the new.



All of this tells me that they should have also brought that Snooki beast from jersy shore into ME3 as a love interest.  Vega needed some "COME AT BE BRO!" lines and the transition would have been complete.

[Zix13]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Glad to see this game doing well despite all the whining on the bsn. There are those of us that do love it.

Blasphemy.

The game is an atrocity.

The only blasphemy is your lack of perspective and your refusal to acknowledge it's greatness hater. 

Tuchanka was great, the rest ranged from pretty good to unbelievably bad. 

*facepalm* 

Yes because ghost-child-architect encounter was unbelievably bad. It is hard to believe any sentient being could have written it. There were lots of very weak parts(Thessia onwards, intro/mars) but the last 5 minutes....

Also, you're an ass and I have no desire to engage in further discussion with you since your attitude is basically:      
"**** logic, I'm right, everyone who disagrees with me is a spoiled child and I hope they all die" 

Modifié par Zix13, 09 mai 2012 - 05:38 .