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[StrelokCH]

The way every military force besides Cerberus is portrayed in ME, Bioware pretty much hates everything war related.

[Catamantaloedis]

StrelokCH wrote...

The way every military force besides Cerberus is portrayed in ME, Bioware pretty much hates everything war related.

Explain their overtly positive portrayal of the turians and their war machine.

[darthoptimus003]

my renagade shep is all for dictorship if i was able to blow the reapers to hell
but alas didnt happen
now got to go stare of in the abyss that is this ending

[StrelokCH]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

StrelokCH wrote...

The way every military force besides Cerberus is portrayed in ME, Bioware pretty much hates everything war related.

Explain their overtly positive portrayal of the turians and their war machine.

"Hey General, I'm some guy you never met but you are now the new Primarch, come with me and leave your men to die."
"Ok mysterious stranger, I'll do whatever I say even though I'm a seasoned officer with lots of experience and probably know way more than some petty human officer who got his last crew almost enirely killed."

I think the last time I saw such a "positive" and realistic view of military leadership was in the third Starship Troopers movie.

[Catamantaloedis]

StrelokCH wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

StrelokCH wrote...

The way every military force besides Cerberus is portrayed in ME, Bioware pretty much hates everything war related.

Explain their overtly positive portrayal of the turians and their war machine.

"Hey General, I'm some guy you never met but you are now the new Primarch, come with me and leave your men to die."
"Ok mysterious stranger, I'll do whatever I say even though I'm a seasoned officer with lots of experience and probably know way more than some petty human officer who got his last crew almost enirely killed."

I think the last time I saw such a "positive" and realistic view of military leadership was in the third Starship Troopers movie.

That was just to portray the Primarch as a noble soldier. He was above the "disgusting" nature of politics in democracy and interspecies relations, but left out of  a sense of duty to his comrades. Pure propaganda.

[StrelokCH]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

StrelokCH wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

StrelokCH wrote...

The way every military force besides Cerberus is portrayed in ME, Bioware pretty much hates everything war related.

Explain their overtly positive portrayal of the turians and their war machine.

"Hey General, I'm some guy you never met but you are now the new Primarch, come with me and leave your men to die."
"Ok mysterious stranger, I'll do whatever I say even though I'm a seasoned officer with lots of experience and probably know way more than some petty human officer who got his last crew almost enirely killed."

I think the last time I saw such a "positive" and realistic view of military leadership was in the third Starship Troopers movie.

That was just to portray the Primarch as a noble soldier. He was above the "disgusting" nature of politics in democracy and interspecies relations, but left out of  a sense of duty to his comrades. Pure propaganda.

He still looked like an idiot doing it. Although he fits quite well with the rest of the idiots the ME universe has to offer as military leaders, Shepard beeing the biggest tactical black hole of all.

[christrek1982]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Every democratically elected or representative political figure is either portrayed as a self-serving, coward or power-hungry and corrupt(Udina). While Anderson, a universally agreed upon good guy and father figure of the story, is unable to continue in the rotten work of not fighting and securing the resources which humanity needs, resigns to go fight. The militaristic society of the Turians is illustrated as an ideal with its strict discipline, but broad individual freedoms. They even seem to be most successful at fighting the Reapers, not doubt as propaganda supporting Bioware's militarism. Yet, the cultured,effeminate Asari, drag their feet, until their homeworld falls and the Salarians, who avoid war as best they can, damn near refuse to assist you.Everyone who is forced to leave the battle, ie James, Victus and the (wo)man him/herself, Shepard, complain that they would rather be fighting, even though they would probably be vaporized at any moment, than do unmanly things like diplomacy and alliance crafting. Instead of getting someone useful, like a scientist, for the Prothean squadmate, Bioware instead decides to give you (Guess) a soldier, one who is the most shamelessly militaristic of the whole bunch.

All in all, Mass Effect is propaganda supporting the creation of military dictatorships throughout the Western world. Beware!

edit:
what? realy how you see things in a very dark way just what?

Don't know why my text never appears when I originally post it. Maybe Bioware attempting to silence me?

[Catamantaloedis]

StrelokCH wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

StrelokCH wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

StrelokCH wrote...

The way every military force besides Cerberus is portrayed in ME, Bioware pretty much hates everything war related.

Explain their overtly positive portrayal of the turians and their war machine.

"Hey General, I'm some guy you never met but you are now the new Primarch, come with me and leave your men to die."
"Ok mysterious stranger, I'll do whatever I say even though I'm a seasoned officer with lots of experience and probably know way more than some petty human officer who got his last crew almost enirely killed."

I think the last time I saw such a "positive" and realistic view of military leadership was in the third Starship Troopers movie.

That was just to portray the Primarch as a noble soldier. He was above the "disgusting" nature of politics in democracy and interspecies relations, but left out of  a sense of duty to his comrades. Pure propaganda.

He still looked like an idiot doing it. Although he fits quite well with the rest of the idiots the ME universe has to offer as military leaders, Shepard beeing the biggest tactical black hole of all.

But it was still portrayed positively by Bioware because they are attempting to influence the dull minds of their audience.

[christrek1982]

oh by the way most people in power are corrupt so I thought that the council where portrayed quite accurately.

[StrelokCH]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

StrelokCH wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

StrelokCH wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

StrelokCH wrote...

The way every military force besides Cerberus is portrayed in ME, Bioware pretty much hates everything war related.

Explain their overtly positive portrayal of the turians and their war machine.

"Hey General, I'm some guy you never met but you are now the new Primarch, come with me and leave your men to die."
"Ok mysterious stranger, I'll do whatever I say even though I'm a seasoned officer with lots of experience and probably know way more than some petty human officer who got his last crew almost enirely killed."

I think the last time I saw such a "positive" and realistic view of military leadership was in the third Starship Troopers movie.

That was just to portray the Primarch as a noble soldier. He was above the "disgusting" nature of politics in democracy and interspecies relations, but left out of  a sense of duty to his comrades. Pure propaganda.

He still looked like an idiot doing it. Although he fits quite well with the rest of the idiots the ME universe has to offer as military leaders, Shepard beeing the biggest tactical black hole of all.

But it was still portrayed positively by Bioware because they are attempting to influence the dull minds of their audience.

Of course it's portrayed positively, idiots are cute. Without that effect we wouldn't be able to keep the democratic process going by eleting the most adorable idiots every few years. As you can see, Bioware is clearly propagading democracy by presenting every possibly capable leader figure as a mental case.

[Catamantaloedis]

christrek1982 wrote...

oh by the way most people in power are corrupt so I thought that the council where portrayed quite accurately.

Evidence of Bioware's influence on the weak minded.

[xsdob]

I haven't seen this thread in a while.

Modifié par xsdob, 19 mai 2012 - 02:10 .

[FFHAuthor]

Catamantaloedis wrote...


But the main thing which allows this society, which Bioware portrays is militarism, and the autocratic Hieracrhy's constant, excessive preparations for threats, barring the Reapers which no one could have predicted, don't exist. 

No...I think it's more in keeping with Bioware's desire to portrary the major alien powers as 'historic' human civilizations.  Or at least the much more idealized and romantisized versions of them.  Turians are the 'ideal' Roman state during the height of the emperors (Damn...sorry, but my memory is patchy, I'm talking of the merit style of Roman emperors that ended with Marcus Arelius). Asari are an idealized version of the Greek city states, and the Salarians are an idealized version of Feudal Europe (although it might be more in keeping with the later era Roman state and the leading edge of Feudalism blended together).

As a development of that, you do find that things get a bit blurry.  The Turians would have a stronger military because of the mid to high Roman origins of the species.  The Asari are weaker because of the origins of the Greek militia/citizen soldier origins of the city states.  And the Salarians are more in keeping with a later themed Roman style where they endeavor to keep threats at a distance and use proxy soldiers and non-roman forces to hold enemies at bay.  

I'd say it's more limited imagination rather than intentional encouragement.

[Clayless]

This is a terrible thread who bumped it.

[Oransel]

My friend Catamantaloedis was banned, but he asked me to tell everyone that he will haunt these forums and Bioware as his words are true.

[What?]

Easy there, Glenn Beck. Take off the tin-foil hat.

[Necrotron]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...
Don't know why my text never appears when I originally post it. Maybe Bioware attempting to silence me?

You don't know how to use the intarwebs and we're trying to silence you?

Help help I'm being oppressed!

Bloody Mass Effect 3 peasant.

Lol.  Monty Python reference, I love it.