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[Catamantaloedis]

HunLevente wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

HunLevente wrote...

There is one: Counciler Esheel

And a question: Are you seriously say that BioWare are againt western democracies or Do you have a lot of time thinking on nonsense or are you just making jokes?

Is Esheel a Salarian? You must be joking. 

And to the first part of your question, the answer is yes.

What's wrong with him or her whatever its gender is?

The Salarians are the most negatively portrayed of all the Council races. She flat out refuse to help you if you dont kowtow to her demands on the genophage.

[Sgt Stryker]

That is still no indication that the turian form of government is a fascist dictatorship, or that it's tyrannical in any way. In fact, this flies right in the face of what the Codex says. I would argue that, at least when it comes to personal liberties, turian society is a lot more flexible than most western democracies are today.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 08 mai 2012 - 10:37 .

[sAxMoNkI]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

HunLevente wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

HunLevente wrote...

There is one: Counciler Esheel

And a question: Are you seriously say that BioWare are againt western democracies or Do you have a lot of time thinking on nonsense or are you just making jokes?

Is Esheel a Salarian? You must be joking. 

And to the first part of your question, the answer is yes.

What's wrong with him or her whatever its gender is?

The Salarians are the most negatively portrayed of all the Council races. She flat out refuse to help you if you dont kowtow to her demands on the genophage.

That's Dalatrass Linron not the councillor. The councillor actually sends aid after you save his life from Kai Leng.

SgtStryker wrote...

That is still no indication that the turian form of government is a
fascist dictatorship, or that it's tyrannical in any way. In fact, this
flies right in the face of what the Codex says. I would argue that, at
least when it comes to personal liberties, turian society is a lot more
flexible than most western democracies are today.

Agreed.

Modifié par sAxMoNkI, 08 mai 2012 - 10:39 .

[Catamantaloedis]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Because if a primarch was incompetent or a coward or  a liar he would
A) have not gotten the position to begin with
or would swiftly be replaced

Replacing leaders is inherently more difficult in a democracy short of a public revolt or majority vote of no confidence. Also there are no inbuilt safeguards in the democratic system against the qualities you mentioned.

By its nature the turian meritocracy ensures that only those of sufficient integrity ascend to the higher levels of government.

Which accoring to Bioware's portrayal, makes it a superior government.

Who are you to say it isn't? Seems a lot harder to abuse power in the Turian system, harder to get someone who would abuse power into power in the first place and if they did abuse power it would be very easy to remove and replace them.

So then you are in agreement that Bioware places the Turian government in a more favorable light simply by making it an apparently worthy alternative to representative government?

Who said turian government isn't representative? Better yet, who said turian government is in any way tyrannical?

The turian government is based on meritocracy . If you do well, you are promotoed. People at different ranks report to their superiors. The Primarchs are the highest rank. The lower people report to them, and they vote together. It's a top down structure. not bottom up like democracies.

That is still no indication that the turian form of government is a fascist dictatorship, or that it's tyrannical in any way. In fact, this flies right in the face of what the Codex says. I would argue that, at least when it comes to personal liberties, turian society is a lot more flexible than most western democracies are today.

I never said tyrranical. It is essentially a dictatorship because the people at the top have absolute authority. It's fascist because of its militarism and because of its emphasis on duty, discipline, and working together in well defined roles for the people as a whole.

[Catamantaloedis]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

HunLevente wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

HunLevente wrote...

There is one: Counciler Esheel

And a question: Are you seriously say that BioWare are againt western democracies or Do you have a lot of time thinking on nonsense or are you just making jokes?

Is Esheel a Salarian? You must be joking. 

And to the first part of your question, the answer is yes.

What's wrong with him or her whatever its gender is?

The Salarians are the most negatively portrayed of all the Council races. She flat out refuse to help you if you dont kowtow to her demands on the genophage.

That's Dalatrass Linron not the councillor. The councillor actually sends aid after you save his life from Kai Leng.

The fact that he doesn't send you aid until you save his life, shows the reluctance of the Salarians to get involved, and that's actually because you saved him twice.
Even if you save the Dalatrass, she still refuses to help you if you don't cure the genophage.

[Deuterium_Dawn]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

1. The Council itself is a representative institution. They are appointed and reach consensus on behalf of their individual races. Bioware tellingly portrays them in a negative light.
2. The Turians are shown to be rigid, yes. But that is a by-product of their superior government, which is synonymous with their military. It is they who are most successful against the Reapers, not only because their military was stronger at the beginning, but because of the willingness of their militaristic people.

1. The council is an oligarchy. It's composed of the most powerful species in the galaxy, while the majority don't even have a voice in deciding their own fate. They are appointed representatives, two of which do not even represent democratic species, the Turian councilor having a consistently negative portrayal across the first two games. 
2. They're the most successful because they have the largest military, and were also facing a smaller Reaper force than humanity, who had a volunteer military and was also much newer to the galactic stage. The rigidity is a by-product of their nature, they tend very heavily towards groupthink.

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

HunLevente wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

HunLevente wrote...

There is one: Counciler Esheel

And
a question: Are you seriously say that BioWare are againt western
democracies or Do you have a lot of time thinking on nonsense or are you
just making jokes?

Is Esheel a Salarian? You must be joking. 

And to the first part of your question, the answer is yes.

What's wrong with him or her whatever its gender is?

The
Salarians are the most negatively portrayed of all the Council races.
She flat out refuse to help you if you dont kowtow to her demands on the
genophage.

That's Dalatrass Linron not the councillor. The councillor actually sends aid after you save his life from Kai Leng.

The
fact that he doesn't send you aid until you save his life, shows the
reluctance of the Salarians to get involved, and that's actually because
you saved him twice.
Even if you save the Dalatrass, she still refuses to help you if you don't cure the genophage.

The Salarians also aren't democratic at all. 

Modifié par Deuterium_Dawn, 08 mai 2012 - 10:44 .

[sAxMoNkI]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

HunLevente wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

HunLevente wrote...

There is one: Counciler Esheel

And a question: Are you seriously say that BioWare are againt western democracies or Do you have a lot of time thinking on nonsense or are you just making jokes?

Is Esheel a Salarian? You must be joking. 

And to the first part of your question, the answer is yes.

What's wrong with him or her whatever its gender is?

The Salarians are the most negatively portrayed of all the Council races. She flat out refuse to help you if you dont kowtow to her demands on the genophage.

That's Dalatrass Linron not the councillor. The councillor actually sends aid after you save his life from Kai Leng.

The fact that he doesn't send you aid until you save his life, shows the reluctance of the Salarians to get involved, and that's actually because you saved him twice.
Even if you save the Dalatrass, she still refuses to help you if you don't cure the genophage.

You think the governments of today would help each other out just out of the kindness of their hearts?
Everyone wants something and even in the face of danger and war governments persue oppurtunities to gain the upperhand on other nations.

[Catamantaloedis]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

HunLevente wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

HunLevente wrote...

There is one: Counciler Esheel

And a question: Are you seriously say that BioWare are againt western democracies or Do you have a lot of time thinking on nonsense or are you just making jokes?

Is Esheel a Salarian? You must be joking. 

And to the first part of your question, the answer is yes.

What's wrong with him or her whatever its gender is?

The Salarians are the most negatively portrayed of all the Council races. She flat out refuse to help you if you dont kowtow to her demands on the genophage.

That's Dalatrass Linron not the councillor. The councillor actually sends aid after you save his life from Kai Leng.

The fact that he doesn't send you aid until you save his life, shows the reluctance of the Salarians to get involved, and that's actually because you saved him twice.
Even if you save the Dalatrass, she still refuses to help you if you don't cure the genophage.

You think the governments of today would help each other out just out of the kindness of their hearts?
Everyone wants something and even in the face of danger and war governments persue oppurtunities to gain the upperhand on other nations.

If those nations were facing a threat which threatened to wipe them out collectively? Yes.

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 08 mai 2012 - 10:45 .

[visionazzery]

I have to say this is a DISGRACEFUL DISTASTEFUL TOPIC and i am amazed Bioware did not pull this topic instantly can i say clearly to the OP that it is ludicrous and ignorant and ommitting above all one vital fact above all else THE FACT that Bioware have allowed you to post this deeply dividing and controversial topic PROVES that Bioware, like any western country developer like any democratically based business, is NOT what you assert Mr. OP.

Therefore it is my belief that this topic did not deserve the attention it has recieved simply cos it is so far disconnected from the true intent,.

On the contrary the ENEMY represents fascist ideals ie genocide? with the aim of organic races to be wiped out extinct, annihilated? All the leaders in war have to make tough decisions in, war and far from the insults you assert to Bioware's thoughtful heartfelt story, it is a war film and if anything full credit to Bioware for really doing their research and understanding the true nature and realistic aspect of war....the real intensity, the touch decisions....of course generals and commanders under siege by a much more menacing enemy will have to make selfish decisions.....that is part of the consequences of the threat and being engulfed in a war esp a galactic one i will not be posting on this topic again to do so is to support any merit- which this topic does not have nor deserve imo.

I personally anyway find this topic to dangerouslly distort what Bioware stands for as a democratic tolerant organisation and tyhat is all to it.

[Catamantaloedis]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

1. The Council itself is a representative institution. They are appointed and reach consensus on behalf of their individual races. Bioware tellingly portrays them in a negative light.
2. The Turians are shown to be rigid, yes. But that is a by-product of their superior government, which is synonymous with their military. It is they who are most successful against the Reapers, not only because their military was stronger at the beginning, but because of the willingness of their militaristic people.

1. The council is an oligarchy. It's composed of the most powerful species in the galaxy, while the majority don't even have a voice in deciding their own fate. They are appointed representatives, two of which do not even represent democratic species, the Turian councilor having a consistently negative portrayal across the first two games. 
2. They're the most successful because they have the largest military, and were also facing a smaller Reaper force than humanity, who had a volunteer military and was also much newer to the galactic stage. The rigidity is a by-product of their nature, they tend very heavily towards groupthink.

1. I never said the council was portrayed positively, simply because it is not a militaristic organization.
2. Their military size is a result of their government. The two are synonymous. The fact the humanity lacked the same, is the reason its facing near extinction.

[GLR-0053]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

1. The Council itself is a representative institution. They are appointed and reach consensus on behalf of their individual races. Bioware tellingly portrays them in a negative light.
2. The Turians are shown to be rigid, yes. But that is a by-product of their superior government, which is synonymous with their military. It is they who are most successful against the Reapers, not only because their military was stronger at the beginning, but because of the willingness of their militaristic people.

1. The council is an oligarchy. It's composed of the most powerful species in the galaxy, while the majority don't even have a voice in deciding their own fate. They are appointed representatives, two of which do not even represent democratic species, the Turian councilor having a consistently negative portrayal across the first two games. 
2. They're the most successful because they have the largest military, and were also facing a smaller Reaper force than humanity, who had a volunteer military and was also much newer to the galactic stage. The rigidity is a by-product of their nature, they tend very heavily towards groupthink.

2. Exactly, if you took Garrus on the mission to help Adrien Victus he'll mention how the Turians place emphasis on placing Society and Platoon ahead themselves. For me that is kinda like an eastern philosophy: Confucianism and the 5 relationships.

Modifié par GLR-0053, 08 mai 2012 - 10:47 .

[sAxMoNkI]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

You think the governments of today would help each other out just out of the kindness of their hearts?
Everyone wants something and even in the face of danger and war governments persue oppurtunities to gain the upperhand on other nations.

If those nations were facing a threat which threatened to wipe them out collectively, yes.

Then I'm either very cynical of politicians or you are very naive to the realities of brokering alliances and the compromises that must be made for them to work.

Modifié par sAxMoNkI, 08 mai 2012 - 10:47 .

[Catamantaloedis]

visionazzery wrote...

I have to say this is a DISGRACEFUL DISTASTEFUL TOPIC and i am amazed Bioware did not pull this topic instantly can i say clearly to the OP that it is ludicrous and ignorant and ommitting above all one vital fact above all else THE FACT that Bioware have allowed you to post this deeply dividing and controversial topic PROVES that Bioware, like any western country developer like any democratically based business, is NOT what you assert Mr. OP.

Therefore it is my belief that this topic did not deserve the attention it has recieved simply cos it is so far disconnected from the true intent,.

On the contrary the ENEMY represents fascist ideals ie genocide? with the aim of organic races to be wiped out extinct, annihilated? All the leaders in war have to make tough decisions in, war and far from the insults you assert to Bioware's thoughtful heartfelt story, it is a war film and if anything full credit to Bioware for really doing their research and understanding the true nature and realistic aspect of war....the real intensity, the touch decisions....of course generals and commanders under siege by a much more menacing enemy will have to make selfish decisions.....that is part of the consequences of the threat and being engulfed in a war esp a galactic one i will not be posting on this topic again to do so is to support any merit- which this topic does not have nor deserve imo.

I personally anyway find this topic to dangerouslly distort what Bioware stands for as a democratic tolerant organisation and tyhat is all to it.

Genocide is not a fascist ideal. Get that nonsense out of here. Just because the National Socialists were genocidal and also happened to be fascist does not mean that all fascist groups are te same.

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 08 mai 2012 - 10:49 .

[Catamantaloedis]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

You think the governments of today would help each other out just out of the kindness of their hearts?
Everyone wants something and even in the face of danger and war governments persue oppurtunities to gain the upperhand on other nations.

If those nations were facing a threat which threatened to wipe them out collectively, yes.

Then I'm either very cynical of politicians or you are very naive to the mechanics of brokering alliances and the compromises that must be made.

So if the Reapers attacked modern day Earth, destroying New York, and Bejiing, London and Tokyo. And they prepared to attack Russia, and Spain, and Chile, and Argentina, Brazil and everywhere else which could easily be seen by their movements, you think that all of these nations would refuse to coordinate and strategize?

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 08 mai 2012 - 10:49 .

[GLR-0053]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

You think the governments of today would help each other out just out of the kindness of their hearts?
Everyone wants something and even in the face of danger and war governments persue oppurtunities to gain the upperhand on other nations.

If those nations were facing a threat which threatened to wipe them out collectively, yes.

Then I'm either very cynical of politicians or you are very naive to the realities of brokering alliances and the compromises that must be made for them to work.

Exactly, even in the face of destruction Shepard had to fufill certain conditions in order for each of the Council races to agree to lend him their support.

[Sgt Stryker]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

I never said tyrranical. It is essentially a dictatorship because the people at the top have absolute authority. It's fascist because of its militarism and because of its emphasis on duty, discipline, and working together in well defined roles for the people as a whole.

So why does the Codex mention that many turians embrace foreign culture, particularly alien religious beliefs? One would think that a fascist ideology would discourage such intermingling of cultures, for the sake of maintaining "turian purity" or some such nonsense.

[Catamantaloedis]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

I never said tyrranical. It is essentially a dictatorship because the people at the top have absolute authority. It's fascist because of its militarism and because of its emphasis on duty, discipline, and working together in well defined roles for the people as a whole.

So why does the Codex mention that many turians embrace foreign culture, particularly alien religious beliefs? One would think that a fascist ideology would discourage such intermingling of cultures, for the sake of maintaining "turian purity" or some such nonsense.

Because Bioware also gives their favored race and government broad individual freedoms. They can also use drugs, which would be illegal in other societies, as long as they can fulfill their duty for the glorious Hierarchy.

[sAxMoNkI]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

You think the governments of today would help each other out just out of the kindness of their hearts?
Everyone wants something and even in the face of danger and war governments persue oppurtunities to gain the upperhand on other nations.

If those nations were facing a threat which threatened to wipe them out collectively, yes.

Then I'm either very cynical of politicians or you are very naive to the mechanics of brokering alliances and the compromises that must be made.

So if the Reapers attacked modern day Earth, destroying New York, and Bejiing, London and Tokyo. And they prepared to attack Russia, and Spain, and Chile, and Argentina which could easily be seen by their movements, you think that all of these nations would refuse to coordinate and strategize?

I think similarly to in game, they would prioritise securing their own borders and spare resources to others only if possible. Russia and any former USSR ruled state working together willingly? Very unlikely without compromise.

[GLR-0053]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

You think the governments of today would help each other out just out of the kindness of their hearts?
Everyone wants something and even in the face of danger and war governments persue oppurtunities to gain the upperhand on other nations.

If those nations were facing a threat which threatened to wipe them out collectively, yes.

Then I'm either very cynical of politicians or you are very naive to the mechanics of brokering alliances and the compromises that must be made.

So if the Reapers attacked modern day Earth, destroying New York, and Bejiing, London and Tokyo. And they prepared to attack Russia, and Spain, and Chile, and Argentina, Brazil and everywhere else which could easily be seen by their movements, you think that all of these nations would refuse to coordinate and strategize?

By that time, it's too late the Reapers would have destroyed every satellite there is to block off all communications.

[Catamantaloedis]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

You think the governments of today would help each other out just out of the kindness of their hearts?
Everyone wants something and even in the face of danger and war governments persue oppurtunities to gain the upperhand on other nations.

If those nations were facing a threat which threatened to wipe them out collectively, yes.

Then I'm either very cynical of politicians or you are very naive to the mechanics of brokering alliances and the compromises that must be made.

So if the Reapers attacked modern day Earth, destroying New York, and Bejiing, London and Tokyo. And they prepared to attack Russia, and Spain, and Chile, and Argentina which could easily be seen by their movements, you think that all of these nations would refuse to coordinate and strategize?

I think similarly to in game, they would prioritise securing their own borders and spare resources to others only if possible. Russia and any former USSR ruled state working together willingly? Very unlikely without compromise.

In the face of the extinction of the entire human race by an alien threat? I doubt they would hesitate much.

[xxskyshadowxx]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

OP you do realize ME 3 is a war story right?

And politics are a part of war too. But the politicians are all cowards, or hungry for power in Mass Effect universe.

I don't think BioWare is supporting the behavior. I think they are simply calling a spade a spade in their work.

[Deuterium_Dawn]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

1. The Council itself is a representative institution. They are appointed and reach consensus on behalf of their individual races. Bioware tellingly portrays them in a negative light.
2. The Turians are shown to be rigid, yes. But that is a by-product of their superior government, which is synonymous with their military. It is they who are most successful against the Reapers, not only because their military was stronger at the beginning, but because of the willingness of their militaristic people.

1. The council is an oligarchy. It's composed of the most powerful species in the galaxy, while the majority don't even have a voice in deciding their own fate. They are appointed representatives, two of which do not even represent democratic species, the Turian councilor having a consistently negative portrayal across the first two games. 
2. They're the most successful because they have the largest military, and were also facing a smaller Reaper force than humanity, who had a volunteer military and was also much newer to the galactic stage. The rigidity is a by-product of their nature, they tend very heavily towards groupthink.

1. I never said the council was portrayed positively, simply because it is not a militaristic organization.
2. Their military size is a result of their government. The two are synonymous. The fact the humanity lacked the same, is the reason its facing near extinction.

1. So first they're portrayed negatively because they're a representative institution(which they're not) now it's because they're not militaristic. They're a bureaucracy, what do you want? Direct subjugation of the species who appoint them? With what fleets? Everything they have is borrowed or donated by one of the member species.
2. A larger military doing better is not indicative of some agenda, it's indicative of logic. Look at real life. Democracies do tend to maintain relatively smaller militaries, because the public simply isn't willing to support the expense, nor are they willing to be drafted to fill its ranks except in emergencies. Humanity being the focus of the Reapers because we're so special and diverse, the smalller military was also hit by a stronger foe. Their military is also a result of their nature. Again, they tend towards group think and self-sacrifice, good of the many over the needs of the few, etc. Their government could not support such a large military if the populace were not behind it.

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

You think the governments of today would help each other out just out of the kindness of their hearts?
Everyone
wants something and even in the face of danger and war governments
persue oppurtunities to gain the upperhand on other nations.

If those nations were facing a threat which threatened to wipe them out collectively, yes.

Then
I'm either very cynical of politicians or you are very naive to the
mechanics of brokering alliances and the compromises that must be made.

So
if the Reapers attacked modern day Earth, destroying New York, and
Bejiing, London and Tokyo. And they prepared to attack Russia, and
Spain, and Chile, and Argentina which could easily be seen by their
movements, you think that all of these nations would refuse to
coordinate and strategize?

I think similarly to
in game, they would prioritise securing their own borders and spare
resources to others only if possible. Russia and any former USSR ruled
state working together willingly? Very unlikely without compromise.

In the face of the extinction of the entire human race by an alien threat? I doubt they would hesitate much.

Because people never allow their predjudices and hatreds to affect their judgement. The Western Democracies certainly didn't half-ass relations with the Soviet Union even in the face of a resurgent Germany because of their distaste for Communism and disdain for the Soviet military.

Modifié par Deuterium_Dawn, 08 mai 2012 - 10:58 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

I never said tyrranical. It is essentially a dictatorship because the people at the top have absolute authority. It's fascist because of its militarism and because of its emphasis on duty, discipline, and working together in well defined roles for the people as a whole.

So why does the Codex mention that many turians embrace foreign culture, particularly alien religious beliefs? One would think that a fascist ideology would discourage such intermingling of cultures, for the sake of maintaining "turian purity" or some such nonsense.

Because Bioware also gives their favored race and government broad individual freedoms. They can also use drugs, which would be illegal in other societies, as long as they can fulfill their duty for the glorious Hierarchy.

For the last time. BioWare are not a political movement. They are a video game company. They don't want to overthrow western democracy as a political institution (LOL). Their sole agenda with this game is to tell a space opera action/adventure story in the form of a video game, and make boat loads of money in the process. That is all.

[Catamantaloedis]

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

1. The Council itself is a representative institution. They are appointed and reach consensus on behalf of their individual races. Bioware tellingly portrays them in a negative light.
2. The Turians are shown to be rigid, yes. But that is a by-product of their superior government, which is synonymous with their military. It is they who are most successful against the Reapers, not only because their military was stronger at the beginning, but because of the willingness of their militaristic people.

1. The council is an oligarchy. It's composed of the most powerful species in the galaxy, while the majority don't even have a voice in deciding their own fate. They are appointed representatives, two of which do not even represent democratic species, the Turian councilor having a consistently negative portrayal across the first two games. 
2. They're the most successful because they have the largest military, and were also facing a smaller Reaper force than humanity, who had a volunteer military and was also much newer to the galactic stage. The rigidity is a by-product of their nature, they tend very heavily towards groupthink.

1. I never said the council was portrayed positively, simply because it is not a militaristic organization.
2. Their military size is a result of their government. The two are synonymous. The fact the humanity lacked the same, is the reason its facing near extinction.

1. So first they're portrayed negatively because they're a representative institution(which they're not) now it's because they're not militaristic. They're a bureaucracy, what do you want? Direct subjugation of the species who appoint them? With what fleets? Everything they have is borrowed or donated by one of the member species.
2. A larger military doing better is not indicative of some agenda, it's indicative of logic. Look at real life. Democracies do tend to maintain relatively smaller militaries, because the public simply isn't willing to support the expense, nor are they willing to be drafted to fill its ranks except in emergencies. Humanity being the focus of the Reapers because we're so special and diverse, the smalller military was also hit by a stronger foe. Their military is also a result of their nature. Again, they tend towards group think and self-sacrifice, good of the many over the needs of the few, etc. Their government could not support such a large military if the populace were not behind it.

1. They are semi-representative because they do represent the interests of their people.

2. The reason the turians are able to have such a large military is because every one of their citizens is a soldier. They are all willing to fight to the death for their Hierarchy, and do not know how to retreat. Very similar to Japan in WWII actually.

[sAxMoNkI]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

sAxMoNkI wrote...

You think the governments of today would help each other out just out of the kindness of their hearts?
Everyone wants something and even in the face of danger and war governments persue oppurtunities to gain the upperhand on other nations.

If those nations were facing a threat which threatened to wipe them out collectively, yes.

Then I'm either very cynical of politicians or you are very naive to the mechanics of brokering alliances and the compromises that must be made.

So if the Reapers attacked modern day Earth, destroying New York, and Bejiing, London and Tokyo. And they prepared to attack Russia, and Spain, and Chile, and Argentina which could easily be seen by their movements, you think that all of these nations would refuse to coordinate and strategize?

I think similarly to in game, they would prioritise securing their own borders and spare resources to others only if possible. Russia and any former USSR ruled state working together willingly? Very unlikely without compromise.

In the face of the extinction of the entire human race by an alien threat? I doubt they would hesitate much.

You see what we have here is an impasse.
I believe people are fundamentally selfish mammals who when push comes to shove look out for their own.

(Correct me if I'm wrong) But it appears that you believe that people would have a logical rational response to a global threat.
If this were so why are nations not working together to cut pollution and find more eco-friendly alternatives? Arguably the end result of pollution etc is the same as a reaper invasion...our extinction. Yet not all nations signed the Kyoto treaty for example even though it is in everyone's best interests to cut emissions.

(I am also not a hippy/ eco-warrior/ etc just using the example to get my point across)