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[Fnordamatic]

xandrian29 wrote...

Running a successful gold comes down to one thing: communication.

Before attempting to run any gold ask yourself two questions:

Am I using a microphone?
Are my squad mates using a microphone?

If the answer to either question is no, you are seriously reducing the likelihood of successfully completing the mission, with or without full extraction.

I have completed many gold runs where nobody on the team had mics. If the players are good enough to complete gold, they're good enough to not really have to communicate throughout a game in my experience. Yeah, sometimes a mic helps, but it's certainly not a must-have.

[Zaidra]

Tineard wrote...

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

Tineard wrote...

Weapons - because man with M-8 (for example) fairly can't do the damage of M-6 or M-99 or bunch of other guns. And no tactic will save you on gold if you don't have some minimal firepower. Only biotics can afford to have crappy weapons - they have explosions..

I beg to disagree with you, Avenger moded with incinerate III, assault rifle III is just as powerful against reapers.

well, maybe, but if you modify stronger weapon it'll be even more useful and powerful.. and if you take M-8, for me it looks like you didn't even try other weapon.. it'll take -20-50% to your cooldown, yes, but damage will grow much more) and let's leave M-8 for a moment - let's take any class with shotgun on condor/hydra maps - it's a big risk, to take people with short range weapon there, so even if they masters, i would've left in my team only ones with really good shotguns, if any.. works for me most of the times

I find that the best weapon when almost fully upgraded is the Mattock. I've used a lot of weapons (check my manifest if you don't believe me) and that's been the most helpful to me as far as high damage but low weight goes. 

Modifié par Zaidra, 15 mai 2012 - 12:53 .

[Zaidra]

xandrian29 wrote...

Running a successful gold comes down to one thing: communication.

Before attempting to run any gold ask yourself two questions:

Am I using a microphone?
Are my squad mates using a microphone?

If the answer to either question is no, you are seriously reducing the likelihood of successfully completing the mission, with or without full extraction.

I tend to avoid players without mics more than looking at N7 rank, class, character level, or weapon choice.  Don't get me wrong, those are important, but they are secondary to a squad that communicates well.

I would also suggest sending friend requests to any players that you play well with.  I don't understand why some players continually try to do pick-up runs on gold.

DMC23 wrote...

I don't care at all about N7 rating on Gold
I care about character levels. If you show up with a level 6 character
for Gold I don't care if you're good or not. You're an ass who's either
stupid or trying to show off and I don't want to deal with you in either
case.

This simply isn't true.  This reads a little more like you're afraid a level 6 character may be able to out perform you.  Any level 6 krogan or infiltrator is more than capable of holding their own in gold.

^this. This is what I've tried to tell a lot of people, but they don't listen. A team that communicates well can win any match. 

[Zaidra]

Tineard wrote...

Zaidra wrote...

Tineard wrote...

 (engineer with assault rifle _and_ shotgun, for example, obviously won't do), .

why do you say that? If you have the right upgrades, that can be boss on a gold match. 

if you carry some heavy weapons on class, which mainly uses abilities ->significantly increasing cooldown, it doesn't look good) and anyway, 1 heavy weapon should be enough for anyone, don't you think?

that depends on what you mean by "heavy weapon" Both shotguns and assault rifles can be very light if upgraded.

and actually, engineers aren't necessarily power-based classes.  (Or at least powers that require frequent use.) Geth engineer with the geth turret upgraded to restore shields can be used for tanking. If you have an upgraded mattock for example, that can be a secondary weapon as it weights very little (even for engineers) and does high damage. They can then take a shotgun (such as the scimitar) and use that as a primary, which is very good against geth, and pretty good against reapers and cerberus. 

[Zaidra]

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

I can see this is a losing battle for both sides and another thing people pay attention to score its nice ti see who is contributing to the squad and who is not but does it really matter of all are doing well. Of you want personal glory play cod or bf I own both and love both so not I'm not bashing them just saying its pretty much personal glory not team work you rarely see that in either game and same goes for ME. Yet me if one team member falls because he's not falling in line or sticking to plan it hurts the rest of the team

score/experience isn't really a fair way of judging people either. Some classes (and some builds) are entirely support-based. I mean, I could warp a banshee down to the last bar and have somebody else shoot it once and get the kill, getting all of the points. I did all the work, but they got the experience. Some players focus on taking down shields and barriers, not going in for the kill. 

[dirtdiver32318]

Ya I rarely use a mic while playing simply because I hate to hear myself talk but if asked i will put on in to play. Besides you usually can hear others through your television. Besides that someone said something about low levels dying all the time and can not defense them if someone or the other three are better why don't you give constructive critisism tips or maybe defend the weaker player some way. Or just get fed up and let him die lmao

[dirtdiver32318]

I agree but you will still get points for assist. So you are still contributing. I guess I worded it wrong but I understanding what your saying

[Peregrin25]

I think at the end of the day regardless of who has the most XP points in a match and who is lowest or who kills what. It is all a team effort. It doesn't matter if they are level 6 but have N7 rating of 100- or 1000 or if they are playing a maxed out lvl 20 character. It's all about team effort. It is co-op not a multiplayer free for all.

I play a Asari Vangard most the time 'cause I am pretty good with it and score arround 50-60k xp on brtonze runs and arround 80k on silver. points by match end between levels 14-20 does that make me the best? I don't even keep track until I see it at the end of the match. No it doesn't matter aslong as everyone is doing their part I could care less if they have 15-20k xp points in their name, that just means they are in more of a support role not a hardcore dmging role, they can be but depends on their play style. Not everyone is all about the kill kill kill em all. Sometimes I like playing support. Not as stressful.

At the end of the day everyone should be working together. It isn't about individual effort. Most times I get in matches and everyone is fairly equal. On gold however I have seen low level classes out perform lvl 20's It has nothing to do with your N7 rating or what weapon you have or what not. Like PvP in mmo's it's about how you play your class, knowing what to do and what not to do in specific situations that best benefit your assault.

I don't like bailing on a match but if someone is all about doing everything themselves. I will leave. It isn't fun.

Modifié par Peregrin25, 15 mai 2012 - 01:22 .

[Lee80]

I want to hear the results, not that it matters that much....but I must admit my curiosity is getting the better of me.

[brettc893]

@DMC23

First time I played Gold was with a lvl 8 Engineer. I only died once.

Was your mother raped by a low level Alt or something?

[TMI MoXxi]

Waiting on results!

[pmac_tk421]

Damn. I didn't play over the weekend. I only played today. I got a few partial extracts but no a full.

[SLYML]

Peregrin25 wrote...

I think at the end of the day regardless of who has the most XP points in a match and who is lowest or who kills what. It is all a team effort. It doesn't matter if they are level 6 but have N7 rating of 100- or 1000 or if they are playing a maxed out lvl 20 character. It's all about team effort. It is co-op not a multiplayer free for all.

I play a Asari Vangard most the time 'cause I am pretty good with it and score arround 50-60k xp on brtonze runs and arround 80k on silver. points by match end between levels 14-20 does that make me the best? I don't even keep track until I see it at the end of the match. No it doesn't matter aslong as everyone is doing their part I could care less if they have 15-20k xp points in their name, that just means they are in more of a support role not a hardcore dmging role, they can be but depends on their play style. Not everyone is all about the kill kill kill em all. Sometimes I like playing support. Not as stressful.

At the end of the day everyone should be working together. It isn't about individual effort. Most times I get in matches and everyone is fairly equal. On gold however I have seen low level classes out perform lvl 20's It has nothing to do with your N7 rating or what weapon you have or what not. Like PvP in mmo's it's about how you play your class, knowing what to do and what not to do in specific situations that best benefit your assault.

I don't like bailing on a match but if someone is all about doing everything themselves. I will leave. It isn't fun.

well said ... im a support gold player i reconize that im not a great .. but i do my bit and i know my routine .. every now and then i do run around and try to own the place on bronze and i only play hero on bronze more often than not i get back in my box soon enough lmao ... but i kinda know what it feels like when your trying to get a few kills and some one just takes them off you ...so at first when i started trying and succeding ( took a long while ) at owning bronze games i was ruthless now i understand it really sucks to have done to you what you do to others!!! its a team points make no diference ..BUT to all you lets just kill everything players and not do the uploaeds etc very soon someone will rape ypu into next week ... and you will learn!!

[Kevlar xD]

I played with an all Asari adept team for this challenge. It was a very short round.

[VRtheTrooper]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

they should just lvl their character.[...]they will die in a few shots.[...]i don't want to have to keep reviving

Your argument is kinda irrelevant since there is cover in this game. Simply put, you die if you're not in cover regardless of class or points wasted on fitness.

lol. running works well too. ive seen so many people die when taking cover. they don't pay attention to their flank. i'd rather stay moving and use line of sight. cover is an absolute last resort. being a sitting target on gold is not a great idea. at least not for my play style. everyone has their own strategies. as long as everyone works as one unit, failure is impossible. 

[Common Danger]

Does anyone know the grind and regrind results for this weekend yet

[Mystearen]

I really hate groups that are "Plug in your mic or we kick!" Not everyone CAN talk >_> that's discrimination! :<

I know my job, i can do my job well. I shoot things in the face, i run and go get objectives. It's not rocket science. if i'm not an infiltrator, i'm an adept. i'm very good at making things explode. or priming them TO explode, i'm rather flexible like that. and i'll usually go out of my way to detonate just to see if people catch on. or...i'm an engineer and i'm still shooting things in the face with a rifle. just now i'm throwing energy drain/overload/incinerate in with my bullets along with decoy/combat drone/geth turret.

Communication does not equal a successful gold run, it can hinder just as much if you suck, regardless of how well you communicate. Couple of people i run with use mics, we talk between matches because i can message them and such. during the match..they rarely talk about the enemies we're facing other than making a comment such as "Stop headshotting everything, we wanna kill too -laughs-" "Nice!" "Behind us!" generally, short and sweet, or...comedic. or telling random 4th person to bunker down so i can go do my objectives without going on a field trip

They mostly talk about school, girls, other games, tell jokes...basically...anything BUT what's going on with our enemies. every time i run with them, regardless of what we face. always a successful run, worst case scenario? partial extraction because of our random 4th doesn't wanna join us at the EZ.


I've had just as many random gold runs with no mic's, people caught on and worked together, full extraction and very few deaths. if we had adepts, people figured out whether they were priming, or detonating quick. if not, they still figured out their job well enough. (Granted i've had way more CRAPPY gold runs, where everyone thinks it's bronze =/)


the only thing that matters is knowing HOW to play your class, and paying attention to what your allies are doing so you can work together. microphones aren't going to save a bad party, could they help? sure, but it's not a for sure thing.

[puffinpunk138]

I find that n7 level is a good indicator of whether a person will contribute or detract from the team on gold in most cases. A big reason is because if a player has pretty much only played bronze or silver rounds or very few gold then they typically aren't prepared for gold. If someone tries to play gold in the same manner which most everyone plays silver then they are going to hinder their team. On silver players can pretty much run around free-for-all but gold really takes teamwork and a combined effort. Someone with too low an n7 rating (I usually look for at least n7 100) typically hasn't learned to play gold effectively yet and unless they have spent cash on packs they won't have adequate weapons and mods.

It is quite simple: just work your way up through bronze and silver like everyone else.

Also, I have beat every map on gold multiple times going through it with random strangers and I still try to get a character up to at least level 13-14 before I take that character into a gold round. It is just polite, in my opinion.

A side-note: often when people try to take too low of a character into gold (or silver for that matter) those same people will quit the match which wastes the time of the other three players and sometimes anyone else who gets spawned in late too. I wish there was a way to ban people who quit mid-match--whatever their reason, they really screw up the game for everyone. Quit quitting please.

[puffinpunk138]

One other comment i can't resist making: you who complains about kills being stolen....you must not get how the points work...you get points for the damage you do. it doesn't matter who gets the killshot. Anyone who is trying to tell me not to shoot at at an enemy is completely clueless as far as I am concerned. This is co-op not competitive.

[Lee80]

Mystearen wrote...

I really hate groups that are "Plug in your mic or we kick!" Not everyone CAN talk >_> that's discrimination! :<

I know my job, i can do my job well. I shoot things in the face, i run and go get objectives. It's not rocket science. if i'm not an infiltrator, i'm an adept. i'm very good at making things explode. or priming them TO explode, i'm rather flexible like that. and i'll usually go out of my way to detonate just to see if people catch on. or...i'm an engineer and i'm still shooting things in the face with a rifle. just now i'm throwing energy drain/overload/incinerate in with my bullets along with decoy/combat drone/geth turret.

Communication does not equal a successful gold run, it can hinder just as much if you suck, regardless of how well you communicate. Couple of people i run with use mics, we talk between matches because i can message them and such. during the match..they rarely talk about the enemies we're facing other than making a comment such as "Stop headshotting everything, we wanna kill too -laughs-" "Nice!" "Behind us!" generally, short and sweet, or...comedic. or telling random 4th person to bunker down so i can go do my objectives without going on a field trip

They mostly talk about school, girls, other games, tell jokes...basically...anything BUT what's going on with our enemies. every time i run with them, regardless of what we face. always a successful run, worst case scenario? partial extraction because of our random 4th doesn't wanna join us at the EZ.


I've had just as many random gold runs with no mic's, people caught on and worked together, full extraction and very few deaths. if we had adepts, people figured out whether they were priming, or detonating quick. if not, they still figured out their job well enough. (Granted i've had way more CRAPPY gold runs, where everyone thinks it's bronze =/)


the only thing that matters is knowing HOW to play your class, and paying attention to what your allies are doing so you can work together. microphones aren't going to save a bad party, could they help? sure, but it's not a for sure thing.

I agree, the mic thing is way over rated.  Most people I've played with randomly talk about everything but the game.  Half of them talk about things I'd rather not hear, and the other half just talk so much I'm ready to scream at them to shut up.  There was one guy that was singing very badly through a whole match.  

If used for organizing/ explaining strategies great....however, random non-stop chatter can be very distracting.  

[Mystearen]

About the kill stealing... people should also know that all EXP is SHARED, 100% of it, if i get 100k, and you get 5k and it's only the two of us, we both get 105k <.<

And i don't mind chatter if it's friends, because their usually respectful of things i don't wanna hear. one of them did sing, but it was funny because he was play flirting with me, and had me rolling for like 5 matches, all of which were full extraction we discussed no strategy. not once.

I do hate when people have on LOUD music, backround noise, sing badly thinking they're good, what i hate most are people are are profane just for the sake of using profanity 'cause it's cool or something. and random groups strategies are usually...very basic. you don't need a complex plan of action, "Work together and we survive! play like this is bronze and you WILL die a horrible death :< 'kay?" "You explode, you set up 'splosions! you run to objectives, you...cover fire!" really, if you wanna strategist, only one person needs a mic, he's your tactician.

[dirtdiver32318]

Ya now that some mention it some people with a mic I have had some people badly singing and I agree 100% I hate the people who have loud music like what the hell dude use ear buds like me

[Peregrin25]

puffinpunk138 wrote...

One other comment i can't resist making: you who complains about kills being stolen....you must not get how the points work...you get points for the damage you do. it doesn't matter who gets the killshot. Anyone who is trying to tell me not to shoot at at an enemy is completely clueless as far as I am concerned. This is co-op not competitive.

I have to agree. Stealing kills doesn't work in this game. Say I am shooting and blowing the hell out of a Brute or Banshee. I do most the dmg but someone finishes it off. I will still get like 1k or more points for killing but not credit for the kill where they will only get like 300 points and the credit for the kill. if 3 people focus it then that 1500 points is divied up between the 3 people who did the dmg to said enemy.

so if someone comes and kills somthin you been working on. and you did most the dmg then you get most the points for that target. So complaining about kill stealing is kinda pointless.

[dirtdiver32318]

Ya now that some mention it some people with a mic I have had some people badly singing and I agree 100% I hate the people who have loud music like what the hell dude use ear buds like me

[Asari Goddess]

dirtdiver32318 wrote...

Ya now that some mention it some people with a mic I have had some people badly singing and I agree 100% I hate the people who have loud music like what the hell dude use ear buds like me

i feel the same way when i was playing online this guy started singing i was just like i think im going to exit the lobby