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[dsl08002]

Fantastic documentary.

I truly support the indoctrination theory

[MattFini]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Others - especially the "machines have no soul" point, the "citadel tower location differs" point and the "indoctrinated eyes" point - I very strongly disagree with because they either make no sense or can be disproven very quickly (which has probably already be done in this thread).

I'm curious about you listing the "indoctrinated eyes" here. I have yet to see any good reason why you get Husk/TIM eyes upon choosing Synthesis or Control.

If it was really just Shepard disintegrating and revealing his synthetic "undercarriage" as it were, why wouldn't we just see the Renegade Shepard eye design instead? Those are supposed to be the true implants he has under his regrown skin/tissue.

They went out of their way to give Shepard TIM/Husk eyes specifically, and they made the eyes arguably the focus of the last scene showing Shepard before disintegration.

Regardless of IT being true or not, this is definitely a red flag to me about those two choices.

I agree.  I have yet to read a convincing counterpoint to this. 

[shepskisaac]

omg I cannot "those bodies look just like Kaidan & Ashley (even though he says they're scalpd and blurry textures), those bodies are here deliberately" lololol this video is pure comedy gold xDDD I had no idea some Indoctrination Theorists were reaching this deep to find evidences xD

[Fingertrip]

IsaacShep wrote...

This video is like definition of "everything is a proof of IT" lolol He even grasps at the burnt armor haha

... I take it you didn't take the video with an open-mind. The Armor bits & pieces was pretty much elaboratedly discussed, and not just a no-brainer "yes".

Okay, on further-note after seeing you're continous response, you're probably a troll or not lectured enough to watch through a video with an open-mind. The Kaidan and Ashley corpses are pretty evident.

Modifié par Fingertrip, 09 mai 2012 - 07:08 .

[llbountyhunter]

hey, over here in the "was the ending a hallucination" thread
http://social.biowar...index/9727423/1

weve been toying with the idea that the indoctrination doesn't start with harbingers laser, but rather the shuttle crash.
http://www.youtube.c...CMVQP0I4#t=137s

as you can see the whole situation is unclear and very abrupt.

this can also solve several issues.
-some trees are there before getting hit
-shepards lack of interest in the safety of his squad mates
-previous dreams start wit a black transition but move within the dream with a white fade.
(perhaps shepard got knocked out and the laser from harbinger beam signifiyies the beginning of his mental assault on shepard)
-the bodies are also there before getting hit

[stysiaq]

The peoples devotion to that theory never ceases to amaze me. Seriously, an hour and a half? There are not enough valid points of IT to fill that time.

[Sepharih]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Others - especially the "machines have no soul" point, the "citadel tower location differs" point and the "indoctrinated eyes" point - I very strongly disagree with because they either make no sense or can be disproven very quickly (which has probably already be done in this thread).

I'm curious about you listing the "indoctrinated eyes" here. I have yet to see any good reason why you get Husk/TIM eyes upon choosing Synthesis or Control.

If it was really just Shepard disintegrating and revealing his synthetic "undercarriage" as it were, why wouldn't we just see the Renegade Shepard eye design instead? Those are supposed to be the true implants he has under his regrown skin/tissue.

They went out of their way to give Shepard TIM/Husk eyes specifically, and they made the eyes arguably the focus of the last scene showing Shepard before disintegration.

Regardless of IT being true or not, this is definitely a red flag to me about those two choices.

I actually was thinking about this a little while ago....and honestly....I think the real explination just boils down to this:

They thought that if shepard started having red glowing eyes when his synthetic parts became revealed it would send the wrong message.  Remember, red eyes and scarring means you're renegade...right?  Well they probably thought people would get the impression that the sudden appearance of glowing red eyes would make people think that Shepard had suddenly turned evil.  Hence, they picked a blue color for his eyes so people would get the idea that he was being dissasembled, but also so that he wouldn't look like a terminator.

Modifié par Sepharih, 09 mai 2012 - 07:13 .

[stysiaq]

IsaacShep wrote...

omg I cannot "those bodies look just like Kaidan & Ashley (even though he says they're scalpd and blurry textures), those bodies are here deliberately" lololol this video is pure comedy gold xDDD I had no idea some Indoctrination Theorists were reaching this deep to find evidences xD

Be at least respectful of the fact, that the 'theorists' try to justify existance of garbage like piles of ****ty textures thrown at them, instead of just going with "BioWare is lazy"

because its Priority: Earth which is pure comedy gold xDDDDDD at the moment.

[shepskisaac]

Fingertrip wrote...
... I take it you didn't take the video with an open-mind. The Armor bits & pieces was pretty much elaboratedly discussed, and not just a no-brainer "yes".

Dude, there are like 15 armors in the game, good luck thinking they were ever going to make burnt version of each armor

Fingertrip wrote...
Okay, on further-note after seeing you're continous response, you're probably a troll or not lectured enough to watch through a video with an open-mind. The Kaidan and Ashley corpses are pretty evident.

I love how fanatic retakers and ITs call everyone a troll who doesn't agree with them.

[Thorn Harvestar]

Sepharih wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Others - especially the "machines have no soul" point, the "citadel tower location differs" point and the "indoctrinated eyes" point - I very strongly disagree with because they either make no sense or can be disproven very quickly (which has probably already be done in this thread).

I'm curious about you listing the "indoctrinated eyes" here. I have yet to see any good reason why you get Husk/TIM eyes upon choosing Synthesis or Control.

If it was really just Shepard disintegrating and revealing his synthetic "undercarriage" as it were, why wouldn't we just see the Renegade Shepard eye design instead? Those are supposed to be the true implants he has under his regrown skin/tissue.

They went out of their way to give Shepard TIM/Husk eyes specifically, and they made the eyes arguably the focus of the last scene showing Shepard before disintegration.

Regardless of IT being true or not, this is definitely a red flag to me about those two choices.

I actually was thinking about this a little while ago....and honestly....I think the real explination just boils down to this:

They thought that if shepard started having red glowing eyes when his synthetic parts became revealed it would send the wrong message.  Remember, red eyes and scarring means you're renegade...right?  Well they probably thought people would get the impression that the sudden appearance of glowing red eyes would make people think that Shepard had suddenly turned evil.  Hence, they picked a blue color for his eyes so people would get the idea that he was being dissasembled, but also so that he wouldn't look like a terminator.

I understand your idea, but I would think they would have just re-colored the Renegade Eyes as blue or green or whatever instead of changing the features/design to something we have been guided to associate with the Indoctrinated.

[balance5050]

IsaacShep wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...
... I take it you didn't take the video with an open-mind. The Armor bits & pieces was pretty much elaboratedly discussed, and not just a no-brainer "yes".

Dude, there are like 15 armors in the game, good luck thinking they were ever going to make burnt version of each armor

Fingertrip wrote...
Okay, on further-note after seeing you're continous response, you're probably a troll or not lectured enough to watch through a video with an open-mind. The Kaidan and Ashley corpses are pretty evident.

I love how fanatic retakers and ITs call everyone a troll who doesn't agree with them.

I'm sorry but if you go into an I.T. oriented thread just to insult people you are a troll. Mac Walters specifically wanted "LOT'S OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE" and by bashing speculation you are completely missing the point.

 

[Thorn Harvestar]

IsaacShep wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...
... I take it you didn't take the video with an open-mind. The Armor bits & pieces was pretty much elaboratedly discussed, and not just a no-brainer "yes".

Dude, there are like 15 armors in the game, good luck thinking they were ever going to make burnt version of each armor

I personally give less weight to the items that can be explained away by laziness, but things like the Indoctrinated Eyes design is the opposite of laziness. It's something they had to deliberately do, and they drew attention to it. 

The bleeding wound on Shepard's side is a similar example, in that they deliberately draw your attention to this pretty awful wound that wasn't really even visible prior to shooting Anderson in that same spot.

These are the strange things that give me doubt about the reality of the scenes I am seeing. Granted, the Eyes thing could be a sign that something is up even if Shepard is not in a dream-state.

[dreman9999]

IsaacShep wrote...

omg I cannot "those bodies look just like Kaidan & Ashley (even though he says they're scalpd and blurry textures), those bodies are here deliberately" lololol this video is pure comedy gold xDDD I had no idea some Indoctrination Theorists were reaching this deep to find evidences xD

You missed the fact that they have the same armor as  Kadein and Ashley and they never where there before the run to the conduit?

[trey40]

wow just finished watching it and i must say it's extremely well done. kudos to the maker of this video, who did the whole thing alone. this must have been a hell of work!

[Skyline45]

IsaacShep wrote...

omg I cannot "those bodies look just like Kaidan & Ashley (even though he says they're scalpd and blurry textures), those bodies are here deliberately" lololol this video is pure comedy gold xDDD I had no idea some Indoctrination Theorists were reaching this deep to find evidences xD

Typical response from one who does not wish to expirence the let down of being wrong. It's ok. Life will go on regardless of your opinion. There will still be IT theorists even in spite of the comments you made. You have no constructive argument in terms that compliment a debate.

In other words. Your troll attempt has failed.

[shepskisaac]

Dark Energy part is as uninformed as it can get. They didn't shange the endings from Dark Energy to current ones because of leak. The leak already had the current ending. BS. And Dark Energy was only one of the concepts. Drew basically confirmed it himself AND there's a cut Codex entry on technological singularity from ME2 further confirming Dark Energy was just one of the contepts at the table.

[Ownaholic]

trey40 wrote...

wow just finished watching it and i must say it's extremely well done. kudos to the maker of this video, who did the whole thing alone. this must have been a hell of work!

That pretty much sums it up, yeah. Two weeks of straight hellish, hellish editing work.
But it was well worth it in the end; I never expected this big of a fan following, to be featured on Kotaku, to get a message directly from Chris Priestly, and all that other good stuff.

Thank you for watching! =D

[balance5050]

Ownaholic wrote...

trey40 wrote...

wow just finished watching it and i must say it's extremely well done. kudos to the maker of this video, who did the whole thing alone. this must have been a hell of work!

That pretty much sums it up, yeah. Two weeks of straight hellish, hellish editing work.
But it was well worth it in the end; I never expected this big of a fan following, to be featured on Kotaku, to get a message directly from Chris Priestly, and all that other good stuff.

Thank you for watching! =D

Woah, featured on Kotaku? Congrats dude!!

[Sepharih]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Sepharih wrote...

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Others - especially the "machines have no soul" point, the "citadel tower location differs" point and the "indoctrinated eyes" point - I very strongly disagree with because they either make no sense or can be disproven very quickly (which has probably already be done in this thread).

I'm curious about you listing the "indoctrinated eyes" here. I have yet to see any good reason why you get Husk/TIM eyes upon choosing Synthesis or Control.

If it was really just Shepard disintegrating and revealing his synthetic "undercarriage" as it were, why wouldn't we just see the Renegade Shepard eye design instead? Those are supposed to be the true implants he has under his regrown skin/tissue.

They went out of their way to give Shepard TIM/Husk eyes specifically, and they made the eyes arguably the focus of the last scene showing Shepard before disintegration.

Regardless of IT being true or not, this is definitely a red flag to me about those two choices.

I actually was thinking about this a little while ago....and honestly....I think the real explination just boils down to this:

They thought that if shepard started having red glowing eyes when his synthetic parts became revealed it would send the wrong message.  Remember, red eyes and scarring means you're renegade...right?  Well they probably thought people would get the impression that the sudden appearance of glowing red eyes would make people think that Shepard had suddenly turned evil.  Hence, they picked a blue color for his eyes so people would get the idea that he was being dissasembled, but also so that he wouldn't look like a terminator.

I understand your idea, but I would think they would have just re-colored the Renegade Eyes as blue or green or whatever instead of changing the features/design to something we have been guided to associate with the Indoctrinated.

Well the design is pretty close already....and they probably just did a texture swap to save time as a result.

[bonerfest]

IsaacShep wrote...
I love how fanatic retakers and ITs call everyone a troll who doesn't agree with them.

Well you really haven't disagreed with anything so far.

IsaacShep wrote...

omg I cannot "those bodies look just
like Kaidan & Ashley (even though he says they're scalpd and blurry
textures), those bodies are here deliberately" lololol this video is
pure comedy gold xDDD I had no idea some Indoctrination Theorists were
reaching this deep to find evidences xD

IsaacShep wrote...

This video is like definition of "everything is a proof of IT" lolol He even grasps at the burnt armor haha

You're just kind of being a jerk.  I'm sure anyone in the thread would be willing to debate the finer points of the video if you could post some coherend arguments. 

By the way, OP, great video.  I watched the whole thing last night.  While I do think some things in particular are going a little too far, most of it is right on.  I wish I had time to go into in more in depth.

I hope it's true.  But I just don't have faith in Bioware anymore. 

Modifié par bonerfest, 09 mai 2012 - 07:38 .

[trey40]

Ownaholic wrote...

trey40 wrote...

wow just finished watching it and i must say it's extremely well done. kudos to the maker of this video, who did the whole thing alone. this must have been a hell of work!

That pretty much sums it up, yeah. Two weeks of straight hellish, hellish editing work.
But it was well worth it in the end; I never expected this big of a fan following, to be featured on Kotaku, to get a message directly from Chris Priestly, and all that other good stuff.

Thank you for watching! =D

you did get a message from Chris Priestly because of your video?! np, was fun watching it! 

[Ownaholic]

@balance and @trey

Yuppers, here's the Kotaku article:
http://kotaku.com/59...ffect-3s-ending

Here's what Chris said:
"Thanks for pointing it out Julian. Nice work putting it together. I can't say whether you are right or wrong or that sort of thing, but it is well done."

Pretty much made my day.

Modifié par Ownaholic, 09 mai 2012 - 07:37 .

[Venusyl]

 I write this one already at youtube link. You forgot Hackett call Shepard as "Shepard Commander" before he/she passing out on elevator. Only Legion called him/her as "Shepard Commander" and he was dead too...

[stysiaq]

IsaacShep wrote...

Dark Energy part is as uninformed as it can get. They didn't shange the endings from Dark Energy to current ones because of leak. The leak already had the current ending. BS. And Dark Energy was only one of the concepts. Drew basically confirmed it himself AND there's a cut Codex entry on technological singularity from ME2 further confirming Dark Energy was just one of the contepts at the table.

That is true, and I can't see why there are still people thinking otherwise.

[shepskisaac]

Video keeps getting better and better. The guy doesn't even seem to realize that the ending events take place at the BOTTOM of the Citadel tower, on the upside of it and the Crucible docks to that part, opposite to what Sovereign did in ME1 where he connected to the TOP of the tower.