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[Ownaholic]

Venusyl wrote...

 I write this one already at youtube link. You forgot Hackett call Shepard as "Shepard Commander" before he/she passing out on elevator. Only Legion called him/her as "Shepard Commander" and he was dead too...

I don't think Hackett was calling him "Shepard Commander". He said "Shepard." and then paused, and when he didn't answer, he said "COMMANDER!", to try and get his attention.

[araisikewai]

Even if the Indoctrination Theory (henceforth called 'IT') proves to be true, it still doesn't mean that and end fight DLC is required.
Let's check the various Dev comment at this point:
1. "...it wouldn't be a bad idea to keep your ME3 saves. Obviously I can't say anything, but it wouldn't be a bad idea." (Gamerzines, Mass Effect producer Mike Gamble, Kotaku Feb 3rd 2012 (BEFORE game release))
2. Multiple other Bioware rep has already called it: "This is the end of Shepard's 'Arc' "

'IT' ending is very much plausible, but even then out of the 3 ending, 2 of which ends with Shepard's being indoctrinated. The only one that Shepard's survive still doesn't say much of his rate of survival, he might be paralyzed, in a coma, unable to continue the fight.

BUT... What if... this really IS the end of Shepard's Arc? What if another arc is already in the planning? What if dev thinks that a reboot/change of character is the next in line? What if the next trilogy of Mass Effect already in the development? With new protagonist and a new 'Saren'? With Shepard's indoctrinated meaning he's the main antagonist, and we see the continuance of his story ala Darth Vader style -of course with ALL his skill already predetermined by us (wouldn't it be great? like a homage to HoMM where you have to kill the hero you've built). But if Shepard's NOT indoctrinated meaning s/he's no longer in the picture, hence if s/he's not indoctrinated actually that's a bad ending in case of storytelling continuance standpoint. If the next trilogy of Mass Effect is coming, DLC is no longer required...

And if they promise to keep our Shepard as main antagonist in the next game, only if we choose him to be indoctrinated. I'd buy it, I'll even change my current ending from 'destroy' into whatever sad ending it would be to get his next appearance, as a Reaper...

[phat0817]

IsaacShep wrote...

omg I cannot "those bodies look just like Kaidan & Ashley (even though he says they're scalpd and blurry textures), those bodies are here deliberately" lololol this video is pure comedy gold xDDD I had no idea some Indoctrination Theorists were reaching this deep to find evidences xD

Yea this is one of those theories I didn't agree with. That to me looks like cut paste background scenery nothing more nothing else. I realize that there's some striking resemblances to Ashley and Kaidan but I don't believe it was intentional. Sorry Op I have give that one a thumbs down.

[shepskisaac]

And here we are, unlimited ammo part. Dear author, yes we did have unlimited ammo at the beginning of ME3. Why? Because gameplay mechanics. Seriously.

[Ownaholic]

IsaacShep wrote...

And here we are, unlimited ammo part. Dear author, yes we did have unlimited ammo at the beginning of ME3. Why? Because gameplay mechanics. Seriously.

Right, but you have to reload. And I believe you have your HUD. 
If you recall, I said in the video that no place in the entire series has all of the following done at the same time:

• Unlimited Ammo
• No reloading required
• No weapon overheating
• No HUD display
• No weapon re-charge period

If it were another gameplay mechanic, they would've just done the exact same thing at the beginning of the game and enabled reloading.

Modifié par Ownaholic, 09 mai 2012 - 07:44 .

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Awesome video not finished it yet but so far loving it! BioWare please PLEASE watch this!

[TMA LIVE]

Uh, not having a reload animation can be the same reason why Shepard isn't allowed a "put the gun away" animation in ME3. Especially when the limping animation and the limping shooting animation are exclusive to that scene.

They don't allow you to reload, because reload is pointless in that scene. They don't want you to run out of ammo. They want to make sure you have ammo to the Destroy ending, and shooting those Husks.

[Ownaholic]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Awesome video not finished it yet but so far loving it! BioWare please PLEASE watch this!

Chris Priestly has; I know that much.
Look for my post on Page 10, at the bottom.

[balance5050]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Uh, not having a reload animation can be the same reason why Shepard isn't allowed a "put the gun away" animation in ME3. Especially when the limping animation and the limping shooting animation are exclusive to that scene.

They don't allow you to reload, because reload is pointless in that scene. They don't want you to run out of ammo. They want to make sure you have ammo to the Destroy ending, and shooting those Husks.

I heard that on the computer, you actually can force a reload animation during this scene, by pressing r or something. I might be mistaken because I have it on my dusty old xbox.

[bonerfest]

IsaacShep wrote...

Video keeps getting better and better. The guy doesn't even seem to realize that the ending events take place at the BOTTOM of the Citadel tower, on the upside of it and the Crucible docks to that part, opposite to what Sovereign did in ME1 where he connected to the TOP of the tower.

That was a little confusing.  But I think you missed the larger point. 

The console to open the citadel arms is in the tower.  As the video shows, we are obviously not in the tower.  So why is there a console there just a stones throw away from where Shepard beamed in?  If it is a different console, then why would the reapers build a device to literally give anyone who got to the beam the opportunty to take a casual strole up to the console and open the arms with no resistance? 

Hell, if we are to take the ending at face value, had the console been farther away Shepard would have bled out and died before he could even walk there.  Or they could have put some soldiers there to guard the console that would have taken a wounded Shepard down with little issue.  But it all seems like the reapers want him to reach it, something that goes totally against their own self-interest. 

[shepskisaac]

Love it! "There's no reason why TIM should have all these new powers". Suuuure. After all we've just spent hours hearing and reading how TIM was researching indoctrination, control, Reaper tech, Reaper signals and how to harness Reaper powers at Sanctuary and Cronos Station and how he got himself new reaper implants at the end of the game.

Ohh and Reapers don't want Shep killed? Then why does Harby fires lasers at him and risks getting him killed?

[balance5050]

IsaacShep wrote...

Love it! "There's no reason why TIM should have all these new powers". Suuuure. After all we've just spent hours hearing and reading how TIM was researching indoctrination, control, Reaper tech, Reaper signals and how to harness Reaper powers at Sanctuary and Cronos Station and how he got himself new reaper implants at the end of the game.

Ohh and Reapers don't want Shep killed? Then why does Harby fires lasers at him and risks getting him killed?

LOL, you're a cutie pie!

Think of it like this

TIM controls Shepard, Reapers control TIM, Shepard can control the reapers? No.

[Thorn Harvestar]

IsaacShep wrote...


Ohh and Reapers don't want Shep killed? Then why does Harby fires lasers at him and risks getting him killed?

There are tons of moments in ME2 where it is made clear that Harbinger wants Shepard alive, even though his forces are firing shots at you. You could argue that Harby's lasers are intentionally blasting everyone in that scene BUT Shepard...

[stysiaq]

IsaacShep wrote...

Love it! "There's no reason why TIM should have all these new powers". Suuuure. After all we've just spent hours hearing and reading how TIM was researching indoctrination, control, Reaper tech, Reaper signals and how to harness Reaper powers at Sanctuary and Cronos Station and how he got himself new reaper implants at the end of the game.

Ohh and Reapers don't want Shep killed? Then why does Harby fires lasers at him and risks getting him killed?

and yet you still watch it; try to dismiss more plausible elements of "evidence" though, because you seem to attack only the easy ones.

[balance5050]

@IsaacShep

Y U NO REMEMBER ME2?!?!?!

[Ownaholic]

IsaacShep wrote...

Love it! "There's no reason why TIM should have all these new powers". Suuuure. After all we've just spent hours hearing and reading how TIM was researching indoctrination, control, Reaper tech, Reaper signals and how to harness Reaper powers at Sanctuary and Cronos Station and how he got himself new reaper implants at the end of the game.

Ohh and Reapers don't want Shep killed? Then why does Harby fires lasers at him and risks getting him killed?

Why doesn't the harby laser instantly vaporize Shepard when it decimates buildings?
Because they wanted him alive. That beam was to wound and indoctrinate him.

Please answer my previous responses to your posts before continuing on your troll-rampage. I appreciate constructive criticisms, but at least make your arguments civil, coherent, and in one post. Thank you.

[TMA LIVE]

IsaacShep wrote...

Love it! "There's no reason why TIM should have all these new powers". Suuuure. After all we've just spent hours hearing and reading how TIM was researching indoctrination, control, Reaper tech, Reaper signals and how to harness Reaper powers at Sanctuary and Cronos Station and how he got himself new reaper implants at the end of the game.

Ohh and Reapers don't want Shep killed? Then why does Harby fires lasers at him and risks getting him killed?

In the old script, it was even hinted that during Miranda's mission, TIM's control powers is "felt".

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 09 mai 2012 - 08:04 .

[stysiaq]

as for the TIM magical powers: Biotic Domination would be closer to this (Morinth power). And yes, TIM is not a biotic, but he clearly is enhanced with Reaper tech, which can possibly grant him an equivalent of it. Personally I find TIMs powers a load of crap (and his BOOM! I'm here appearance as well), but it is not a stronger piece of evidence than Sheps bleeding from Anderson's wound.

[Venusyl]

Ownaholic wrote...

Venusyl wrote...

 I write this one already at youtube link. You forgot Hackett call Shepard as "Shepard Commander" before he/she passing out on elevator. Only Legion called him/her as "Shepard Commander" and he was dead too...

I don't think Hackett was calling him "Shepard Commander". He said "Shepard." and then paused, and when he didn't answer, he said "COMMANDER!", to try and get his attention.

Yes. I know that. But if you look close the sub it really looks like Legion term. And why all whole 3 games your friends tell him/her first "Commander" then use "SHEPARD!" for warn him/her or awake him/her .

[stysiaq]

And, Isaac, try to be respectful; the amount of work put into the video is a sign of devotion to the series. I didn't see any "pro-ending" videos with so much effort behind them last time I checked.

[Sohlito]

While I don't support the IT, I can concede that it is very interesting. I can see its merits and it has helped me to pick up on several subtle nuances I had missed throughout my initial play-throughs.

The video is very well made OP, and I congratulate you on the time and effort you put into making it as comprehensive as possible. I would liken it to watching an episode of those "fact-finding" shows like Ghost Hunters. Is it real? Who knows. Is it interesting and a good read/watch? Yes, definitely.

Modifié par Sohlito, 09 mai 2012 - 08:05 .

[shepskisaac]

stysiaq wrote...

and yet you still watch it; try to dismiss more plausible elements of "evidence" though, because you seem to attack only the easy ones.

Such a "researched" and praised video shouldn't have any easy things to attack

[ZackG312]

IsaacShep wrote...

And here we are, unlimited ammo part. Dear author, yes we did have unlimited ammo at the beginning of ME3. Why? Because gameplay mechanics. Seriously.

in the beginning we had unlimited ammo but still had to reload, at the end you dont even see a bullet count its like a cutscene.

[bonerfest]

IsaacShep wrote...

Love it! "There's no reason why TIM should have all these new powers". Suuuure. After all we've just spent hours hearing and reading how TIM was researching indoctrination, control, Reaper tech, Reaper signals and how to harness Reaper powers at Sanctuary and Cronos Station and how he got himself new reaper implants at the end of the game.

Ohh and Reapers don't want Shep killed? Then why does Harby fires lasers at him and risks getting him killed?

Did... you play the game?  All those implants were to control the Reapers.  Now, you can make an argument that TIM may have put Reaper tech in Shepard, and can therefor gain some control over him.  But what about Anderson?  How is he magically controlling Anderson, who is clearly not a Reaper?

And Harbinger's beam should have vaporized Shepard.  Those lazers were ripping through tank armor and laying waste to the entire ground force.  How would a direct hit not kill Shepard unless that is what was intended?  Out of all those soldiers, why would Shepard survive?   

[ZackG312]

Ownaholic wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Love it! "There's no reason why TIM should have all these new powers". Suuuure. After all we've just spent hours hearing and reading how TIM was researching indoctrination, control, Reaper tech, Reaper signals and how to harness Reaper powers at Sanctuary and Cronos Station and how he got himself new reaper implants at the end of the game.

Ohh and Reapers don't want Shep killed? Then why does Harby fires lasers at him and risks getting him killed?

Why doesn't the harby laser instantly vaporize Shepard when it decimates buildings?
Because they wanted him alive. That beam was to wound and indoctrinate him.

Please answer my previous responses to your posts before continuing on your troll-rampage. I appreciate constructive criticisms, but at least make your arguments civil, coherent, and in one post. Thank you.

Yeah Harbinger wants Shepard alive, says so in Mass Effect 2