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[Nauks]

Enjoyed the video very much, many new, solid takes on the I.T. even at this late date.
The inclusion of tried and true themes were well presented as well, it never felt too repetitive, and adding the qualification scale analysis to each was a stroke of brilliance, people love analytic lists .

Speculating, as hated as that word is now, is too addictive.
Considering the complete 180 a lot of us did on this ending, I've hated few pieces of entertainment as much as I did ME3's ending upon first completing it, but now it's something else entirely, as you say, even if this is all bollocks, the remaining fanfiction we'd be left with is brilliant in its own right.

You have no doubt seen threads suggesting the Crucible as a deliberately planted Reaper trap, and Hacket's possible
indoctrination/involvement with Cerberus from ME1 onward.
Could make for another interesting video perhaps? if you're even looking for tie-in content that is.  these themes are heavily connected to the I.T. after all. another level of the same cake cake if you will.

Links to our fellow BSNers on these topics, they say it better than I could.
-The Crucible as an indoctrination device.
-Hackett indoctrinated.

Modifié par Nauks, 09 mai 2012 - 09:58 .

[shepskisaac]

Nauks wrote...



Self hating closeted IT-supporter much?

Elaborate, this is gonna be good :happy:

dreman9999 wrote...
It would be funny if was like that with his other quality.

What other quality you speak of?

[Aaleel]

Wow, he said that the piles of bodies cannot be disputed. The Bodies were already there before the beam, and the reason they are there is because the reapers were using the conduit to teleport humans to the Citadel for processing.

Also it makes no sense that Shepard would see Kaiden and Ashley together because one of them is still alive, why would he/she have guilt over that one. Shepard would see either Kaiden OR Ashley not both.

I'll post as I see stuff, because I'd forget in an hour and a half and I'm not taking notes lol.

I've already pointed out the whole Vega hearing humming thing, Shepard is the one being indoctrinated so Shepard would be the one hearing the humming not Vega.

The trees and the changed armor don't jive with the IT IMHO because if you're trying to trick someone into thinking they're still in their reality you wouldn't change so much stuff, and something so blatant as what someone was wearing.

Modifié par Aaleel, 09 mai 2012 - 10:09 .

[balance5050]

Aaleel wrote...

I'll post as I see stuff, because I'd forget in an hour and a half and I'm not taking notes lol.

Please don't, just type it in notepad or something, it will be much easier for us to discuss if you come up with a clear and concise dispute instead of just leaving already discussed topics everywhere, it just comes off as kinda douchy.

Modifié par balance5050, 09 mai 2012 - 10:14 .

[2lame4fame]

thank for this!...u did a great work! good job and thanks again!

[Natswit]

Really well done, you addressed almost all of the supporting points of the IT, and presented some new ones I didn't noticed before, thank you for putting the effort to do this!

[jpraelster93]

Great documentary regardless on your view on the IT

[Ownaholic]

Aaleel wrote...

Wow, he said that the piles of bodies cannot be disputed. The Bodies were already there before the beam, and the reason they are there is because the reapers were using the conduit to teleport humans to the Citadel for processing.

Also it makes no sense that Shepard would see Kaiden and Ashley together because one of them is still alive, why would he/she have guilt over that one. Shepard would see either Kaiden OR Ashley not both.

I'll post as I see stuff, because I'd forget in an hour and a half and I'm not taking notes lol.

I've already pointed out the whole Vega hearing humming thing, Shepard is the one being indoctrinated so Shepard would be the one hearing the humming not Vega.

The trees and the changed armor don't jive with the IT IMHO because if you're trying to trick someone into thinking they're still in their reality you wouldn't change so much stuff, and something so blatant as what someone was wearing.

Those are rocks. Not body piles. Besides, even if they were there before; it doesn't change much. They still certainly look like Kaidan and Ashley. The fact that we see the same two character models with the same two pieces of armor that look exactly like theirs is telling in and of itself. You've missed a big part of the Mass Effect series' narration if you're unaware of how significant BOTH Ashley and Kaidan have been as a major impact on Shepard's well being. They are BOTH present, because Shepard is remembering that guilt about how he let the one behind, the other person he chose to save is also there because they are the reason the first person died, and in effect, haunts him equally the same. This is shown throughout Shepard's dreams in ME3, as well as many frequent piece of dialogue.

[Aaleel]

The reapers don't want you dead, but TIM will kill Shepard in that scene with Shepard, Anderson and TIM.

And on a totally unrelated point, why is Shepard holding his right side when he starts talking to the kid lol.

[Lookout1390]

Oh god yes.

+1 support from me.

It's sad to watch though...so much wasted potential.

[bonerfest]

dreman9999 wrote...
It would be funny if was like that with his other quality.

As much as I might not care for the way Isacc presents his argument, please do not say this.  I know what you are inferring and that is not at all funny. 

[balance5050]

bonerfest wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
It would be funny if was like that with his other quality.

As much as I might not care for the way Isacc presents his argument, please do not say this.  I know what you are inferring and that is not at all funny. 

LOL! It's funny because of your name. Good job sir.

[Gyspy Jive]

I watched this at work today. Took me four hours to watch the hour and a half long documentary due to tasks that needed to be done, but it was well worth it.

Great documentary, this should be spammed all over BioWare's associated Twitter feeds.

[Taboo]

But what if..........it's all a lie?

What will you do then?

[Ownaholic]

Taboo-XX wrote...

But what if..........it's all a lie?

What will you do then?

Huddle in a corner and cry.

[Nauks]

IsaacShep wrote...

Nauks wrote...
Self hating closeted IT-supporter much?

Elaborate, this is gonna be good :happy:

For someone with so much apparent bile spewage and temper-tantrum-like resentment of this topic, you sure seem to give it an awful lot of your time and attention.

[Taboo]

Ownaholic wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

But what if..........it's all a lie?

What will you do then?

Huddle in a corner and cry.

Well. That's life.

Not a fan myself but I can only speculate at this point.

Should be an interesting Summer.

[bonerfest]

Aaleel wrote...

The reapers don't want you dead, but TIM will kill Shepard in that scene with Shepard, Anderson and TIM.

And on a totally unrelated point, why is Shepard holding his right side when he starts talking to the kid lol.

If you're going by the IT, and the idea that everything after Harbinger's beam isn't real, then TIM isn't actually killing Shepard.  TIM shooting shepard represents the indoctrinated part of his mind winning and taking control, leaving us with an indoctrinated Shepard.

I don't know about Shepard holding certain parts of his body.  People discredit the gunshot to Anderson being reflected on Shepard by saying he was holding his left side the entire time.  But he doesn't, his arm sort of hangs limp or he's kind of curling his arm near his body as though it's broken.  He's not putting pressure on a wound.  But as you said it then changes in the scene with the Starchild, and he doesn't seem to be gushing blood from his left side anymore, but he's holding his right.  A little gassy, maybe?  Wouldn't want to let one slip in front of a billion year old god AI. 

[phat0817]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

But what if..........it's all a lie?

What will you do then?

Huddle in a corner and cry.

Well. That's life.

Not a fan myself but I can only speculate at this point.

Should be an interesting Summer.

*whistles the X-Files theme* sorry I couldn't help myself

[Aaleel]

bonerfest wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The reapers don't want you dead, but TIM will kill Shepard in that scene with Shepard, Anderson and TIM.

And on a totally unrelated point, why is Shepard holding his right side when he starts talking to the kid lol.

If you're going by the IT, and the idea that everything after Harbinger's beam isn't real, then TIM isn't actually killing Shepard.  TIM shooting shepard represents the indoctrinated part of his mind winning and taking control, leaving us with an indoctrinated Shepard.

I don't know about Shepard holding certain parts of his body.  People discredit the gunshot to Anderson being reflected on Shepard by saying he was holding his left side the entire time.  But he doesn't, his arm sort of hangs limp or he's kind of curling his arm near his body as though it's broken.  He's not putting pressure on a wound.  But as you said it then changes in the scene with the Starchild, and he doesn't seem to be gushing blood from his left side anymore, but he's holding his right.  A little gassy, maybe?  Wouldn't want to let one slip in front of a billion year old god AI. 

Only reason I say that is because the OP specifically used that scene the press the point that the reapers don't want Shepard dead.  But the fact that you can die there just seems to go against the point being made there.

Plus your explanation should have been in the vid if that's the case.

[Eryri]

OnelShot wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

OnelShot wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Excellent video. I really hope this is what Bioware had planned, and if not I hope they run with it anyway. I NEED that Harbinger boss fight!

Also thanks to SirCroft for my new signature.

Honestly I don't get why people want some harbinger boss fight. First off I think gaming is past the point where we need to have a boss fight at the end of a game. Even as it stands the whole priority earth setting is pretty epic. Also a harbinger boss fight would probably be just like the reaper fight earlier in the game so whatever. It wouldn't be a terrible thing to do, but I don't see it as anything needed for the EC to be successful. All it needs is the confirmation of the IT and a wrap up on what happens after Shephard wakes up, or doesn't

I think IT itself is a great harbinger boss fight... Like A mental battle. 

Thats a good way to look at it.

I could live with a dialogue battle with the starkid / Harbinger at the end, but personally I think the end game is a bit lacking in excitement and a sense of climax.
I quite like the idea of a gameplay battle with some sort of Harbinger avatar inside Shepard's mind. The rationale behind this would be that Shepard is a soldier, so the mental battle would be represented to him / her as a physical fight.
One idea I would like to see would be the star child assuming the form of a "mirror image" Shepard, with Shepard's abilities. If your Shepard was a vanguard then you would have to face a vanguard Harbinger teleporting around the battle field with the same level, stats and weapons as you. That way, the better you had built your Shepard, the more challenging the final fight would be.

[Ownaholic]

Aaleel wrote...

bonerfest wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

The reapers don't want you dead, but TIM will kill Shepard in that scene with Shepard, Anderson and TIM.

And on a totally unrelated point, why is Shepard holding his right side when he starts talking to the kid lol.

If you're going by the IT, and the idea that everything after Harbinger's beam isn't real, then TIM isn't actually killing Shepard.  TIM shooting shepard represents the indoctrinated part of his mind winning and taking control, leaving us with an indoctrinated Shepard.

I don't know about Shepard holding certain parts of his body.  People discredit the gunshot to Anderson being reflected on Shepard by saying he was holding his left side the entire time.  But he doesn't, his arm sort of hangs limp or he's kind of curling his arm near his body as though it's broken.  He's not putting pressure on a wound.  But as you said it then changes in the scene with the Starchild, and he doesn't seem to be gushing blood from his left side anymore, but he's holding his right.  A little gassy, maybe?  Wouldn't want to let one slip in front of a billion year old god AI. 

Only reason I say that is because the OP specifically used that scene the press the point that the reapers don't want Shepard dead.  But the fact that you can die there just seems to go against the point being made there.

Plus your explanation should have been in the vid if that's the case.

I've argued this point before previously in this topic somewhere, but since I can't find it:
Basically, I said this in the video, too, that if Shepard managed to stay alive when he shouldn't (IE: the husks, the shield marauder, or TIM), then it would be a dead giveaway to the theory. That's not the route Bioware was going, if this turns out to be true. They did it for the sake of fluid gameplay. And specifically pertaining to the TIM killing Shep, you could argue that it's because based on how the conversation takes a turn before killing Shepard, that Shepard's mind has lost the will to fight.

[Pugz82]

Excellent video...yes I watched the entire thing too lol

[CaFe87]

Ownaholic wrote...

CaFé87 wrote...

Love the video, great work!

But there is one thing I still wonder about. The final part takes place on the Citadel - not the Crucible. So the "Destroy-Tube" and "Control-Control" are part of the Citadel, which was build by the reapers. What is their normal function on the Citadel?
This adds up to the theory, that the Crucible was created by the reapers as well...my head starts to hurt...

Thank you! =D
But, I believe the final scene in the decision chamber DOES take place on the Crucible. If you remember, the Crucible comes in and makes contact with the place that Shepard is standing. He goes up the little elevator platform thing, and into the Crucible.

But if you're right, that certainly would add to the theory!

You are definetly on the Citadel. You cann see the arms coming from the Crucible and the Catalyst tells you right in the beginning, that you are on the Citadel.

[shepskisaac]

Nauks wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nauks wrote...
Self hating closeted IT-supporter much?

Elaborate, this is gonna be good :happy:

For someone with so much apparent bile spewage and temper-tantrum-like resentment of this topic, you sure seem to give it an awful lot of your time and attention.

Expected something much better But anyway, I'm heavily interested in this franchise so obviously I'm gonna have opinions on stuff Especially when false info is spread around, like the Dark Energy thing