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[Ownaholic]

CaFé87 wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

CaFé87 wrote...

Love the video, great work!

But there is one thing I still wonder about. The final part takes place on the Citadel - not the Crucible. So the "Destroy-Tube" and "Control-Control" are part of the Citadel, which was build by the reapers. What is their normal function on the Citadel?
This adds up to the theory, that the Crucible was created by the reapers as well...my head starts to hurt...

Thank you! =D
But, I believe the final scene in the decision chamber DOES take place on the Crucible. If you remember, the Crucible comes in and makes contact with the place that Shepard is standing. He goes up the little elevator platform thing, and into the Crucible.

But if you're right, that certainly would add to the theory!

You are definetly on the Citadel. You cann see the arms coming from the Crucible and the Catalyst tells you right in the beginning, that you are on the Citadel.

Yes, but you leave the Citadel after Admiral Hackett calls for you. That elevator pad takes you up to the Crucible, not the Citadel.

[Siibi]

Great video!

[ackalaya3]

The part about the lazy body-piles blew my mind.

[dreman9999]

CaFé87 wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

CaFé87 wrote...

Love the video, great work!

But there is one thing I still wonder about. The final part takes place on the Citadel - not the Crucible. So the "Destroy-Tube" and "Control-Control" are part of the Citadel, which was build by the reapers. What is their normal function on the Citadel?
This adds up to the theory, that the Crucible was created by the reapers as well...my head starts to hurt...

Thank you! =D
But, I believe the final scene in the decision chamber DOES take place on the Crucible. If you remember, the Crucible comes in and makes contact with the place that Shepard is standing. He goes up the little elevator platform thing, and into the Crucible.

But if you're right, that certainly would add to the theory!

You are definetly on the Citadel. You cann see the arms coming from the Crucible and the Catalyst tells you right in the beginning, that you are on the Citadel.

Head desk......
One ...You don't knoe what you see is real.
two...You don't know if the star child is telling you the truth.

[Ownaholic]

Hey, I just met you.
And this is crazy.
But save the Reapers,
Just trust me maybe.

[MrFob]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Others - especially the "machines have no soul" point, the "citadel tower location differs" point and the "indoctrinated eyes" point - I very strongly disagree with because they either make no sense or can be disproven very quickly (which has probably already be done in this thread).

I'm curious about you listing the "indoctrinated eyes" here. I have yet to see any good reason why you get Husk/TIM eyes upon choosing Synthesis or Control.

If it was really just Shepard disintegrating and revealing his synthetic "undercarriage" as it were, why wouldn't we just see the Renegade Shepard eye design instead? Those are supposed to be the true implants he has under his regrown skin/tissue.

They went out of their way to give Shepard TIM/Husk eyes specifically, and they made the eyes arguably the focus of the last scene showing Shepard before disintegration.

Regardless of IT being true or not, this is definitely a red flag to me about those two choices.

Sorry to answer so late (I am afraid as a frail organic I need to sleep).
I am embarrassed to say that you are right. My counterpoint here was based on the ME2 synthetics. However upon closer research it's now obvious to me that the eyes are really very different in their pattern and we do not just see a color shift. So consider my point refuted and the argument about the eyes taken back. I'd still like to see the blue or green ending with a scarred renegade Shep (my renegade Shep had her scars removed, the silly pavonine girl). Maybe I'll check it out on youtube one of these days.

EDI: Oh and since I see Ownaholic is online atm, again, nice work on the vid, especially the music.

Modifié par MrFob, 10 mai 2012 - 01:46 .

[Ownaholic]

MrFob wrote...

Sorry to answer so late (I am afraid as a frail organic I need to sleep).
I am embarrassed to say that you are right. My counterpoint here was based on the ME2 synthetics. However upon closer research it's now obvious to me that the eyes are really very different in their pattern and we do not just see a color shift. So consider my point refuted and the argument about the eyes taken back. I'd still like to see the blue or green ending with a scarred renegade Shep (my renegade Shep had her scars removed, the silly pavonine girl). Maybe I'll check it out on youtube one of these days.

Only real men admit when they're wrong.

Modifié par Ownaholic, 10 mai 2012 - 01:46 .

[Auralius Carolus]

I didn't see this posted yet, so...

www.ibtimes.com/articles/339088/20120509/mass-effect-3-ending-spoilers-choices-dlc.htm

Whether people agree or not with the Indoc. or even this presentation, it's getting attention.

[Ownaholic]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

I didn't see this posted yet, so...

www.ibtimes.com/articles/339088/20120509/mass-effect-3-ending-spoilers-choices-dlc.htm

Whether people agree or not with the Indoc. or even this presentation, it's getting attention.

Wow! Awesome!
Let me know of any other articles you find, please.

I knew Kotaku did one, but that's all I knew so far.

[Bill Casey]

I was really enjoying this video until the bigotry towards synthetic life...
Now it's completely ruined for me...

[Ownaholic]

Bill Casey wrote...

I was really enjoying this video until the bigotry towards synthetic life...
Now it's completely ruined for me...

Oh, tut tut. That shouldn't affect your opinion about the video, since that was a completely irrelevant topic. =D

[Auralius Carolus]

Ownaholic wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I was really enjoying this video until the bigotry towards synthetic life...
Now it's completely ruined for me...

Oh, tut tut. That shouldn't affect your opinion about the video, since that was a completely irrelevant topic. =D

I can complain or argue points over numerous parts of the "Documentary", (including the notion that it's a documentary at all), but synthetic life-based bigotry?

I'm sure somewhere, out in the deepest chasms of space, a robot is crying its eyes out over mean ol' Ownaholic. And my computer feels descriminated against...

[OH-UP-THIS!]

araisikewai wrote...

Even if the Indoctrination Theory (henceforth called 'IT') proves to be true, it still doesn't mean that and end fight DLC is required.
Let's check the various Dev comment at this point:
1. "...it wouldn't be a bad idea to keep your ME3 saves. Obviously I can't say anything, but it wouldn't be a bad idea." (Gamerzines, Mass Effect producer Mike Gamble, Kotaku Feb 3rd 2012 (BEFORE game release))
2. Multiple other Bioware rep has already called it: "This is the end of Shepard's 'Arc' "

'IT' ending is very much plausible, but even then out of the 3 ending, 2 of which ends with Shepard's being indoctrinated. The only one that Shepard's survive still doesn't say much of his rate of survival, he might be paralyzed, in a coma, unable to continue the fight.

BUT... What if... this really IS the end of Shepard's Arc? What if another arc is already in the planning? What if dev thinks that a reboot/change of character is the next in line? What if the next trilogy of Mass Effect already in the development? With new protagonist and a new 'Saren'? With Shepard's indoctrinated meaning he's the main antagonist, and we see the continuance of his story ala Darth Vader style -of course with ALL his skill already predetermined by us (wouldn't it be great? like a homage to HoMM where you have to kill the hero you've built). But if Shepard's NOT indoctrinated meaning s/he's no longer in the picture, hence if s/he's not indoctrinated actually that's a bad ending in case of storytelling continuance standpoint. If the next trilogy of Mass Effect is coming, DLC is no longer required...

And if they promise to keep our Shepard as main antagonist in the next game, only if we choose him to be indoctrinated. I'd buy it, I'll even change my current ending from 'destroy' into whatever sad ending it would be to get his next appearance, as a Reaper...

The savefiles only flag the destroy ending, so thankfully, NO there won't be any HUSKIFIED Shepard, or Shep-the-Almighty, again thankfully.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

IsaacShep wrote...

And here we are, unlimited ammo part. Dear author, yes we did have unlimited ammo at the beginning of ME3. Why? Because gameplay mechanics. Seriously.

No there wasn't unlimited ammo at the beginning, I know because I had to beat those husks to death by hand!!!

[Ownaholic]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I was really enjoying this video until the bigotry towards synthetic life...
Now it's completely ruined for me...

Oh, tut tut. That shouldn't affect your opinion about the video, since that was a completely irrelevant topic. =D

I can complain or argue points over numerous parts of the "Documentary", (including the notion that it's a documentary at all), but synthetic life-based bigotry?

I'm sure somewhere, out in the deepest chasms of space, a robot is crying its eyes out over mean ol' Ownaholic. And my computer feels descriminated against...

xD times 1,000.

[Aaleel]

Two things you may have missed, I didn't watch it all at once so if you said it I apologize.

1) The Citadel is older than the Crucible. The Catalyst says that the Crucible opened up new options. Why would the Citadel have equipment for these options built into it if the Catalyst now just realized them?

2) When the Catalyst says I know you've thought about destroying us and shows Shep a vision of Anderson, and then says do you think you can control us and shows a image of TIM. If Shep was the first to make it that far, how could they be in memories on that part of the Citadel. I don't know if this supports the IT or not, it's completely nonsensical.

As far as the video, aside from what I've already said, I don't think you can use auto-dialogue, ie non responses from Shepard as proof seeing that auto-dialogue was rampant throughout the game.

Also, why does the crucible get destroyed and Shepard die if he/she refuses to chose. It's a game mechanic of course, but so is the unlimited ammo. Works both way though.

Also you can die before you even get to the beam to husks or Marauder Shields.

And Shepard wakes up under way too much concrete to have been hit with a beam in the middle of an open area like he/she was.  That scene when Shep lives looks like a building collapsed on him/her but there are none around.  It wasn't even a beam impact.  The beam racked across the ground and through Shepard.  There was nothing around Shep to put all that concrete around and on top of him/her.

But it was well put together. I still don't buy into it as I've said in my posts, it has plot holes just like the ending we got. But either way you did good work on this.

Modifié par Aaleel, 10 mai 2012 - 02:19 .

[ShepnTali]

ohupthis wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

And here we are, unlimited ammo part. Dear author, yes we did have unlimited ammo at the beginning of ME3. Why? Because gameplay mechanics. Seriously.

No there wasn't unlimited ammo at the beginning, I know because I had to beat those husks to death by hand!!!

Me too.... ran out quick, too.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

Right, but you have to reload. And I believe you have your HUD. 
If you recall, I said in the video that no place in the entire series has all of the following done at the same time:

• Unlimited Ammo
• No reloading required
• No weapon overheating
• No HUD display
• No weapon re-charge period

If it were another gameplay mechanic, they would've just done the exact same thing at the beginning of the game and enabled reloading.

But we have different animations in the ending sequence than standard combat animations. Plus this is the grand finale, obviously they wanted it pretty and cinematic uh-oh and HUDs don't exactly scream cinematic

OH puullleeeeez, this has got to be one of the LAMEST attempts at trolling I've ever seen.

Go back to your couch, play yer hallo and leave the serious discussions to the adults.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

IsaacShep wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

That says a lot to me actually, the main reason people like IT is only because we like Mass Effect so much.

The main reason people like IT is because it removes the possibility that developers simply made mistakes and the ending is lackluster. It adds grand plan to the entire thing and makes it "a genious twist" rather than simply a luckluster ending. People want to believe in this.

So there's a problem how exactly?

I see nearly everyone, discussing this in an adult fashion, with both sides of the topic.

I say NEARLY everyone, could you possibly familiarize yourself with this concept, of being civil?

[shepskisaac]

I see you all over my posts ohupthis I think you missed some more on the previous pages

[Bill Casey]

Ownaholic wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I was really enjoying this video until the bigotry towards synthetic life...
Now it's completely ruined for me...

Oh, tut tut. That shouldn't affect your opinion about the video, since that was a completely irrelevant topic. =D

If it was completely irrelevent, why put it in the documentary?

[Ownaholic]

Bill Casey wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I was really enjoying this video until the bigotry towards synthetic life...
Now it's completely ruined for me...

Oh, tut tut. That shouldn't affect your opinion about the video, since that was a completely irrelevant topic. =D

If it was completely irrelevent, why put it in the documentary?

I just wanted to use that as potentially supporting evidence to the point I was making at the time, but since it's too subjective, I quickly changed over to the "Batarians being wiped out in ME2 at the risk of stopping the Reapers" argument to support the very same point just the same.
For those who agree with me, it's just a little smidgen extra of supporting theory.

Modifié par Ownaholic, 10 mai 2012 - 02:35 .

[balance5050]

Bill Casey wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I was really enjoying this video until the bigotry towards synthetic life...
Now it's completely ruined for me...

Oh, tut tut. That shouldn't affect your opinion about the video, since that was a completely irrelevant topic. =D

If it was completely irrelevent, why put it in the documentary?

Dude, just stop. A soul is such an objective thing that it's not worth it.

I personally believe that an organic brain is just a collection of chemicals and neural connections, just like a synthetic brain is a collection of wires and microchips.

It's your will and system of beliefes that make up your soul, the lives you touch and the memories you imprint on people are your soul. Not some abstarct thing that no one can even prove exists.

But I digress, the definition of a soul is so objective that it's not worth arguing over.

Modifié par balance5050, 10 mai 2012 - 02:47 .

[ShepnTali]

Bill Casey wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I was really enjoying this video until the bigotry towards synthetic life...
Now it's completely ruined for me...

Oh, tut tut. That shouldn't affect your opinion about the video, since that was a completely irrelevant topic. =D

If it was completely irrelevent, why put it in the documentary?

You were serious?

[CavScout]

Simon_Says wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

If odd graphical reflections are proof of Indocrination Theory, do these screenshots prove this game has IT going too?

Or are graphical glitches just glitches.

Different game, different team, unrelated.

Same issues, reflections of things not in the enviroment. It shows that reflections are not elements of IT but of sloppy game design. It is very, very important.

On it's own, it's doubtful. But if we assume that the magically appearing trees from the conduit run weren't also a mistake of some sort, then we can reason that the trees there and in the dreams had some sort of meaning, and ergo the tree reflections in the crucible chamber also have some sort of meaning.

These aren't just little decals we're talking about, but large, obvious portions of the cubemap.

It is utterly convient, and silly, to attribute to IT something found in other games by the same developer....