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[Deputy Secretary of Awesome]

Ownaholic wrote...

Hey, I just met you.
And this is crazy.
But save the Reapers,
Just trust me maybe.

Catalyst poetry. I like.

[RedTail F22]

Gives just a little bit more hope that the EC could possibly redeem ME. For myself anyway.

[CavScout]

dreman9999 wrote...

CaFé87 wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

CaFé87 wrote...

Love the video, great work!

But there is one thing I still wonder about. The final part takes place on the Citadel - not the Crucible. So the "Destroy-Tube" and "Control-Control" are part of the Citadel, which was build by the reapers. What is their normal function on the Citadel?
This adds up to the theory, that the Crucible was created by the reapers as well...my head starts to hurt...

Thank you! =D
But, I believe the final scene in the decision chamber DOES take place on the Crucible. If you remember, the Crucible comes in and makes contact with the place that Shepard is standing. He goes up the little elevator platform thing, and into the Crucible.

But if you're right, that certainly would add to the theory!

You are definetly on the Citadel. You cann see the arms coming from the Crucible and the Catalyst tells you right in the beginning, that you are on the Citadel.

Head desk......
One ...You don't knoe what you see is real.

If you "don't know" what you see is real (or not) how can anything seen be attributed to IT? Or is this an IT way of saying anything against IT can't be against IT because it is proof of IT even if it's not?

[hoodaticus]

Ownaholic, that was awesome work, and... I'd let you have me if you wanted.

[balance5050]

Shepard's drive to destroy the reapers is the only thing that keeps him from becoming indoctrinated, the second you lose the will to destroy them you become indoctrinated.

[hoodaticus]

Haiku

The Catalyst Lied
Trying to Indoctrinate
Commander Shepard

[dreman9999]

CavScout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CaFé87 wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

CaFé87 wrote...

Love the video, great work!

But there is one thing I still wonder about. The final part takes place on the Citadel - not the Crucible. So the "Destroy-Tube" and "Control-Control" are part of the Citadel, which was build by the reapers. What is their normal function on the Citadel?
This adds up to the theory, that the Crucible was created by the reapers as well...my head starts to hurt...

Thank you! =D
But, I believe the final scene in the decision chamber DOES take place on the Crucible. If you remember, the Crucible comes in and makes contact with the place that Shepard is standing. He goes up the little elevator platform thing, and into the Crucible.

But if you're right, that certainly would add to the theory!

You are definetly on the Citadel. You cann see the arms coming from the Crucible and the Catalyst tells you right in the beginning, that you are on the Citadel.

Head desk......
One ...You don't knoe what you see is real.

If you "don't know" what you see is real (or not) how can anything seen be attributed to IT? Or is this an IT way of saying anything against IT can't be against IT because it is proof of IT even if it's not?

That fact that we have other perspective or altenate perperspective to us as ground. As well as statement in the lore that are sign of indoctrination. You may be asking how deep the rabbit whole goes, I'm saying we have measuring tap.

Modifié par dreman9999, 10 mai 2012 - 03:00 .

[balance5050]

hoodaticus wrote...

Haiku

The Catalyst Lied
Trying to Indoctrinate
Commander Shepard

*bongo drums*

[hoodaticus]

balance5050 wrote...

Shepard's drive to destroy the reapers is the only thing that keeps him from becoming indoctrinated, the second you lose the will to destroy them you become indoctrinated.

This x 1000.

The moral of such a story would be extremely deep and powerful.  Indeed, it is the only moral that has carried the human race to where we are today:

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than  unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is  almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The  slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race” - Coolidge

"Will is everything" - Ras al Ghul

"Maybe you're right: maybe we can't win this. But we'll fight you regardless. Just like I did with Sovereign, just like I'm doing now. No matter how insignificant we might be, we will fight. We will sacrifice, and we will find a way. That's what humans do." - Shepard

Making this the overriding theme of the series would make Mass Effect an even greater legend that I had hoped it would be.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 10 mai 2012 - 03:07 .

[ShepnTali]

"Maybe you're right: maybe we can't win this. But we'll fight you regardless. Just like I did with Sovereign, just like I'm doing now. No matter how insignificant we might be, we will fight. We will sacrifice, and we will find a way. That's what humans do." - Shepard


Either there's more to the story, or Shepard's a phoney.

[Ownaholic]

Deputy Secretary of Awesome wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

Hey, I just met you.
And this is crazy.
But save the Reapers,
Just trust me maybe.

Catalyst poetry. I like.

hoodaticus wrote...

Ownaholic, that was awesome work, and... I'd let you have me if you wanted.

I...might have to hit you up. But it has to be just two straight dudes relaxing, and nothing more. Got it? Nothing gay about it.

balance 5050 wrote...

Shepard's drive to destroy the reapers is the only thing that keeps him
from becoming indoctrinated, the second you lose the will to destroy
them you become indoctrinated.

Nailed it. That's what I meant about the "hope" thing during the video.

[StElmo]

RedTail F22 wrote...

Gives just a little bit more hope that the EC could possibly redeem ME. For myself anyway.

[ref]

This may have been mentioned earlier, but I noticed this replaying the opening part of ME3 to test out some textures, and noticed something. If the boy isn't real, why did they wait for him to get inside the shuttle before leaving, they could have left way earlier if he wasn't really there.

Kinda disheartening for me, since I really, REALLY like the IT.

Any suggestions on how the IT could counter argue this, I'm afraid I don't know the specifics on indoctrination so I don't know how to explain it.

Modifié par Refara, 10 mai 2012 - 03:35 .

[balance5050]

Refara wrote...

This may have been mentioned earlier, but I noticed this replaying the opening part of ME3 to test out some textures, and noticed something. If the boy isn't real, why did they wait for him to get inside the shuttle before leaving, they could have left way earlier if he wasn't really there.

Kinda disheartening for me, since I really, REALLY like the IT.

The boy COULD have been real, but that doesn't hurt IT at all cause he sure isn't real in your dreams or at the end.

That said, if I were a 10YO and there were giant scary robot everywhere, I would DEFINITLEY follow the adult with the cool armor.

Modifié par balance5050, 10 mai 2012 - 03:39 .

[Ownaholic]

Refara wrote...

This may have been mentioned earlier, but I noticed this replaying the opening part of ME3 to test out some textures, and noticed something. If the boy isn't real, why did they wait for him to get inside the shuttle before leaving, they could have left way earlier if he wasn't really there.

Kinda disheartening for me, since I really, REALLY like the IT.

Any suggestions on how the IT could counter argue this, I'm afraid I don't know the specifics on indoctrination so I don't know how to explain it.

Someone earlier mentioned that a soldier looks in the general direction of the boy as he's shooting with the two other soldiers on the ground.
HOWEVER. Because of this, my personal belief is that the shuttle was waiting for the three soldiers to get inside. The one soldier looked over to the shuttle and shouted "GO!", and they closed up and left without them. Since we can't hear this, I could be wrong. But his brief head motion is there, and that could be what he was insinuating. Which is also why the shuttle could have been waiting.

[Darth_Trethon]

The video is great and the IT is ever getting closer to being proven especially with BioWare's own words declaring intent from the final hours app but I am completely stunned and puzzled by the fact that he shuts down the 1M1 definition.....wait what? That thing perfectly describes the ending, why dismiss this as if it were nothing?

[Ownaholic]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The video is great and the IT is ever getting closer to being proven especially with BioWare's own words declaring intent from the final hours app but I am completely stunned and puzzled by the fact that he shuts down the 1M1 definition.....wait what? That thing perfectly describes the ending, why dismiss this as if it were nothing?

It syncs up perfectly, yes; but the bulk behind the theory is so incredibly complex, that it was like saying 9 + two 11's had a whole predicted date and stuff. I wish I still had the link to the original concept. But the 1M1 theory was primarily based upon a weird scientific equation that you had to REALLY look hard into.
I just broke it down into the simplest form after all the crazy was gone from finding it. You could use the same methods of analysis used in the 1M1 theory and apply it to a potatoe to say how that potatoe is the reason the world will end in 2012. It's the same line of reasoning, which is why I was very skeptical.

[Darth_Trethon]

Ownaholic wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The video is great and the IT is ever getting closer to being proven especially with BioWare's own words declaring intent from the final hours app but I am completely stunned and puzzled by the fact that he shuts down the 1M1 definition.....wait what? That thing perfectly describes the ending, why dismiss this as if it were nothing?

It syncs up perfectly, yes; but the bulk behind the theory is so incredibly complex, that it was like saying 9 + two 11's had a whole predicted date and stuff. I wish I still had the link to the original concept. But the 1M1 theory was primarily based upon a weird scientific equation that you had to REALLY look hard into.
I just broke it down into the simplest form after all the crazy was gone from finding it. You could use the same methods of analysis used in the 1M1 theory and apply it to a potatoe to say how that potatoe is the reason the world will end in 2012. It's the same line of reasoning, which is why I was very skeptical.

Ok....I can get that but the way all its three parts connect and ESPECIALLY the RGB bit are hard for me to get over as coincidence. It could be a wild thing used as would be proof for a great many things and tied into a great deal of false theories but to me that just makes it more likely they did it on purpose. Remember the SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE  bit they deffinitely intended?

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 10 mai 2012 - 04:12 .

[Ownaholic]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The video is great and the IT is ever getting closer to being proven especially with BioWare's own words declaring intent from the final hours app but I am completely stunned and puzzled by the fact that he shuts down the 1M1 definition.....wait what? That thing perfectly describes the ending, why dismiss this as if it were nothing?

It syncs up perfectly, yes; but the bulk behind the theory is so incredibly complex, that it was like saying 9 + two 11's had a whole predicted date and stuff. I wish I still had the link to the original concept. But the 1M1 theory was primarily based upon a weird scientific equation that you had to REALLY look hard into.
I just broke it down into the simplest form after all the crazy was gone from finding it. You could use the same methods of analysis used in the 1M1 theory and apply it to a potatoe to say how that potatoe is the reason the world will end in 2012. It's the same line of reasoning, which is why I was very skeptical.

Ok....I can get that but the way all its three parts connect and ESPECIALLY the RGB bit are hard for me to get over as coincidence. It could be a wild thing used as would be proof for a great many things and tied into a great deal of false theories but to me that just makes it more likely they did it on purpose. Remember the SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE  bit they deffinitely intended?

Whelp, that's part of the reason I left it as plausible.

[Darth_Trethon]

Ownaholic wrote...

Whelp, that's part of the reason I left it as plausible.

They also go out of their way to put that all over the place too....they spent too much time on the trilogy and its presence in ME1 just makes it more likely they developed some kind of meaning for it internally in the studio. They surely developed a lot more lore than ended up included in the games due to things they had to cut. After five years the 1M1 sure goes back to one of the first things you saw at the start of ME1 now making it one of the last you see in the trilogy and it's too frequent at the end for me not to be highly suspicious of.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 10 mai 2012 - 04:25 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Just a bit of trivia you missed....there actually is a biotic power for controlling organics and making them do as you wish. In Mass Effect 2 if you choose Morinth over Samara you unlock a possible bonus power for Shepard called Dominate which is also one of Morinth's powers that essentially works as AI hacking except on organics.

EDIT: forgot the link: http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 10 mai 2012 - 04:57 .

[Nauks]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Just a bit of trivia you missed....there actually is a biotic power for controlling organics and making them do as you wish. In Mass Effect 2 if you choose Morinth over Samara you unlock a possible bonus power for Shepard called Dominate which is also one of Morinth's powers that essentially works as AI hacking except on organics.

EDIT: forgot the link: http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

That reminds me about the infinite ammo gun at the end, and that it does have roots in reality (sortof.)

Remember Zaeed talking about his gun "Jesse" and how on one mission it just kept firing without having to eject a thermal clip? maybe this particular anomaly happened to Shepard's gun ?

I don't give this much credit really, but nitpicking ftw!

EDIT: Or maybe it's Anderson's gun which he kept from ME1 and never bothered to retrofit with the thermal clip mechanism! heh, but seriously, it is at least the same gun model Anderson is holding right before the Citadel beam run, it might have some other, yet unknown symbolic meaning? hmm? hmm? Skip to 03:25.

Modifié par Nauks, 10 mai 2012 - 05:12 .

[balance5050]

Nauks wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Just a bit of trivia you missed....there actually is a biotic power for controlling organics and making them do as you wish. In Mass Effect 2 if you choose Morinth over Samara you unlock a possible bonus power for Shepard called Dominate which is also one of Morinth's powers that essentially works as AI hacking except on organics.

EDIT: forgot the link: http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

That reminds me about the infinite ammo gun at the end, and that it does have roots in reality (sortof.)

Remember Zaeed talking about his gun "Jesse" and how on one mission it just kept firing without having to eject a thermal clip? maybe this particular anomaly happened to Shepard's gun ?

I don't give this much credit really, but nitpicking ftw!

EDIT: Or maybe it's Anderson's gun which he kept from ME1 and never bothered to retrofit with the thermal clip mechanism! heh, but seriously, it is at least the same gun model Anderson is holding right before the Citadel beam run, it might have some other, yet unknown symbolic meaning? hmm? hmm?

It's also the gun model that Mordin meaningfully gives you in ME 2, the same model that you shoot him with and throw away in disgust if you're one of those people.

[Nauks]

balance5050 wrote...

Nauks wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Just a bit of trivia you missed....there actually is a biotic power for controlling organics and making them do as you wish. In Mass Effect 2 if you choose Morinth over Samara you unlock a possible bonus power for Shepard called Dominate which is also one of Morinth's powers that essentially works as AI hacking except on organics.

EDIT: forgot the link: http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

That reminds me about the infinite ammo gun at the end, and that it does have roots in reality (sortof.)

Remember Zaeed talking about his gun "Jesse" and how on one mission it just kept firing without having to eject a thermal clip? maybe this particular anomaly happened to Shepard's gun ?

I don't give this much credit really, but nitpicking ftw!

EDIT: Or maybe it's Anderson's gun which he kept from ME1 and never bothered to retrofit with the thermal clip mechanism! heh, but seriously, it is at least the same gun model Anderson is holding right before the Citadel beam run, it might have some other, yet unknown symbolic meaning? hmm? hmm?

It's also the gun model that Mordin meaningfully gives you in ME 2, the same model that you shoot him with and throw away in disgust if you're one of those people.

In other words, if it isn't Avenger rifles or Predator pistols, you can bet Bioware had a damn good reason for it.

[balance5050]

Nauks wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Nauks wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Just a bit of trivia you missed....there actually is a biotic power for controlling organics and making them do as you wish. In Mass Effect 2 if you choose Morinth over Samara you unlock a possible bonus power for Shepard called Dominate which is also one of Morinth's powers that essentially works as AI hacking except on organics.

EDIT: forgot the link: http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Dominate

That reminds me about the infinite ammo gun at the end, and that it does have roots in reality (sortof.)

Remember Zaeed talking about his gun "Jesse" and how on one mission it just kept firing without having to eject a thermal clip? maybe this particular anomaly happened to Shepard's gun ?

I don't give this much credit really, but nitpicking ftw!

EDIT: Or maybe it's Anderson's gun which he kept from ME1 and never bothered to retrofit with the thermal clip mechanism! heh, but seriously, it is at least the same gun model Anderson is holding right before the Citadel beam run, it might have some other, yet unknown symbolic meaning? hmm? hmm?

It's also the gun model that Mordin meaningfully gives you in ME 2, the same model that you shoot him with and throw away in disgust if you're one of those people.

In other words, if it isn't Avenger rifles or Predator pistols, you can bet Bioware had a damn good reason for it.

Also, did you notice that TIM pulls a predetor off Anderson? The same gun model that Saren used kill himself.

Modifié par balance5050, 10 mai 2012 - 05:23 .