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[Progman Omega]

You sir are a gentlemen and a scholar. I salute you and any future work you may produce.

[Ownaholic]

Progman Omega wrote...

You sir are a gentlemen and a scholar. I salute you and any future work you may produce.

No no, I concur. YOU, sir, are the gentleman. Thank you for your time and kind words! 
Future Mass Effect stuff sure to come, including the rest of our Insanity Mode walkthrough.

We take requests, too!

Modifié par Ownaholic, 09 mai 2012 - 02:57 .

[N7L4D]

Ownaholic wrote...

SirCroft wrote...

Well, I made this, inspired by the video.



Feel free to use it if you want!

Wow, that's awesome! Thank you! =D

Sweet:D

[balance5050]

 F***ing BRILLIANT!!! Watching it right now.

However,

You shouldn't be so quick to disregard those trees on the conduit run.


Before Harbinger's beam:




After Harbinger's beam

  

[alec1898]

balance5050 wrote...

 F***ing BRILLIANT!!! Watching it right now.

However,

You shouldn't be so quick to disregard those trees on the conduit run.


Before Harbinger's beam:




After Harbinger's beam

  

Wait, this means the blood was there before shepard had bled there? O.o

[Ownaholic]

balance5050 wrote...

 F***ing BRILLIANT!!! Watching it right now.

However,

You shouldn't be so quick to disregard those trees on the conduit run.


Before Harbinger's beam:




After Harbinger's beam

  

Someone else posted about that in the last page, so I'll just quote myself here:
"That could definitely be a new piece of evidence. But I honestly feel
like that was done for the effect. Maybe it was a continuity
problem: The trees were on the right earlier, maybe they got mixed up
and put one on the left . Maybe they just wanted to enhance the "getting
up" scene a bit.
As many people know, the ending was rushed. It would be cause for a lot of mistakes just like that."

Still, very possible. It would be nice if the trees aspect turns out to be true.

Modifié par Ownaholic, 09 mai 2012 - 03:10 .

[Sepharih]

Ownaholic wrote...

I actually agree with you. The fact that there is no 100%, solid, absolute piece of evidence means that this could all be mere coincidence. However, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but an official iPhone app from Bioware states that the Indoctrination Theory was originally on the table. It never openly stated that it was completely given up on, either.

Wasn't that talking about a specific gameplay mechanic that was dropped though?  This is just an inference, but Iassumed that the mechanic they were talking about related to when the Illusive man takes control of you.  I'm not so sure what they had in mind was the same thing as Indoctrination Theory/Interpretation.

SirCroft wrote...

Well, I made this, inspired by the video.



Feel free to use it if you want!

 
Damnit....and I just put Marauder Shields in my sig....now I must choose.

[balance5050]

Ownaholic wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

 F***ing BRILLIANT!!! Watching it right now.

However,

You shouldn't be so quick to disregard those trees on the conduit run.


Before Harbinger's beam:

snip


After Harbinger's beam

snip  

Someone else posted about that in the last page, so I'll just quote myself here:
"That could definitely be a new piece of evidence. But I honestly feel
like that was done for the effect. Maybe it was a continuity
problem: The trees were on the right earlier, maybe they got mixed up
and put one on the left . Maybe they just wanted to enhance the "getting
up" scene a bit.
As many people know, the ending was rushed. It would be cause for a lot of mistakes just like that."

Gotcha....

[dream3873]

Great vid. Ive believed in the indoctination theory since day one.

[Untold]

Ownaholic wrote...

It's finally finished and ready for your viewing pleasure!

Over an hour and twenty minutes of straight up analysis surrounding the indoctrination theory. I just want to say thank you SO MUCH to everybody who has patiently awaited this documentary, and to everybody who takes the time to watch it.

Don't forget to watch in HD, and as always, enjoy! 

The Indoctrination Theory - A Documentary

Please hold all discussions in this topic, on the video itself, or in our designated topic for the discussion on our homepage at CleverNoob.com

If any of you are interested in promoting the video, feel free to use this image in your signature. Or just talk about the video. =D. It was a terrible 2-minute job; you have my sincerest apologies for how horrible it is.

Here's another one made by N7L4D here on the forums:

Nicely done man. Good job arguing your points.

[Simon_Says]

Ownaholic wrote...

I've actually seen all of these before EXCEPT for the magical tree appearing. That could definitely be a new piece of evidence. But I honestly feel like that was done for the effect. Maybe it was a continuity problem: The trees were on the right earlier, maybe they got mixed up and put one on the left . Maybe they just wanted to enhance the "getting up" scene a bit.
As many people know, the ending was rushed. It would be cause for a lot of mistakes just like that.

That'd be a very odd rush if they had time to add/delete trees from one version of the map and not remember to do the same for the other. Also, remember there's a great honking reaper on top of you at that point, presumably broadcasting The Indoctrination Show on all frequencies and channels. It's known to cause waking hallucinations.

Ownaholic wrote...

As for the tree reflections in the decision chamber: I don't personally buy it. The map-viewer is required to see them, which means it shouldn't be considered a valid piece of evidence IMO. It wasn't meant to be seen by the players, which means that it was a previous idea that got scrapped.

Actually, check the shots during the Catalyst conversation where the camera pans over the Destroy/Control options. The reflections are clearly visible. They are also visible when you regain control of Shepard, but it's much harder to see. But for whatever reason, the trees were there for some reason at some point.

Ownaholic wrote...

I definitely appreciate your thoughts on this and your effort to contribute to this! Keep nit-picking for me! =D

Thanks for reading. Without nitpicking we'd never have gotten a theory in the first place.

Ji99saw wrote...

You do realise that the reapers are not
taken care of in the IT right? And the EC is not changing ending or
adding anything new. Which means the reapers were never stopped and the
game was never concluded. So that means that they took your money for an
incomplete game, and they are trying to make a sequel or DLC

Yeah I can see your point. But still, they are bringing in the VAs to do more work. So stuff is being added. And nothing needs to be changed, just added upon.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 09 mai 2012 - 03:20 .

[Aaleel]

I've never understood three things people use a proof.

1) Vega saying do you hear that humming. Shepard is the one who is being indoctrinated, he/she and he/she only would hear the humming. Vega hearing humming would make sense if Vega were the one being indoctrinated.

2) Trees that weren't there. If you're trying to trick someone into thinking they're still in reality, why would you add things that would make them question where they are. You would want to make it exactly like it was.

3) Different armor. See #2, and multiply times 100.

Modifié par Aaleel, 09 mai 2012 - 03:17 .

[Sepharih]

Also, one thing I would like to point out,

the texture called "dream_leaves" or "Dream_bushes" (can't remember the full name) when Shepard sees his crew on the alien planet is a red herring. I was initially a little excited when I found them in the game files, but upon further inspection I found that they're actually the same plants from Shepard's dream sequence...they just have color grading on them to change how they look from each shot.

Now some will likely jump in and go "HAH, why would they use the same plants from his dreams on the alien world unless they're both in his dreams"....but as someone who has actually worked in game development I can tell you now that you are always looking for a way to save time and resources and reuse things where you can. Unfortunatley...no proof to be found there.

[balance5050]

Aaleel wrote...


1) Vega saying do you hear that humming. Shepard is the one who is being indoctrinated, he/she and he/she only would hear the humming. Vega hearing humming would make sense if Vega were the one being indoctrinated.
 

Hearing strange humming is mentioned in the indoctrination codex.

Modifié par balance5050, 09 mai 2012 - 03:19 .

[Erield]

Parabolee77 wrote...

I compiled all the evidence into a document (referenced in this documentary). See my sig. The dream foliage is new to me though, will add tomorrow.

Ah, sweet.  Checking it out now.  Also still watching OP's vid--even if I disagree, it's intriguing and well done.

[Aaleel]

balance5050 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...


1) Vega saying do you hear that humming. Shepard is the one who is being indoctrinated, he/she and he/she only would hear the humming. Vega hearing humming would make sense if Vega were the one being indoctrinated.
 

Hearing strange humming is mentioned in the indoctrination codex.

Yeah by the person being indcotrinated.  Vega is not being slowly indoctrinated, Shepard is.  Shepard would be the one hearing the humming.

Modifié par Aaleel, 09 mai 2012 - 03:22 .

[N7L4D]

Untold wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

It's finally finished and ready for your viewing pleasure!

Over an hour and twenty minutes of straight up analysis surrounding the indoctrination theory. I just want to say thank you SO MUCH to everybody who has patiently awaited this documentary, and to everybody who takes the time to watch it.

Don't forget to watch in HD, and as always, enjoy! 

The Indoctrination Theory - A Documentary

Please hold all discussions in this topic, on the video itself, or in our designated topic for the discussion on our homepage at CleverNoob.com

If any of you are interested in promoting the video, feel free to use this image in your signature. Or just talk about the video. =D. It was a terrible 2-minute job; you have my sincerest apologies for how horrible it is.

Here's another one made by N7L4D here on the forums:

Nicely done man. Good job arguing your points.

actually sircroft made it:D

[balance5050]

Aaleel wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...


1) Vega saying do you hear that humming. Shepard is the one who is being indoctrinated, he/she and he/she only would hear the humming. Vega hearing humming would make sense if Vega were the one being indoctrinated.
 

Hearing strange humming is mentioned in the indoctrination codex.

Yeah by the person being indcotrinated.  Vega is not being slowly indoctrinated, Shepard is.  Shepard would be the one hearing the humming.

Sigh... then there is no reason, it's random, no meaning whatsoever..... unless, you know, the Normandy has reaper tech in it, like the reaper IFF.

[Sepharih]

Aaleel wrote...

I've never understood three things people use a proof.

1) Vega saying do you hear that humming. Shepard is the one who is being indoctrinated, he/she and he/she only would hear the humming. Vega hearing humming would make sense if Vega were the one being indoctrinated.

2) Trees that weren't there. If you're trying to trick someone into thinking they're still in reality, why would you add things that would make them question where they are. You would want to make it exactly like it was.

3) Different armor. See #2, and multiply times 100.

1) I've never really thought much of Vega hearing "humming" personally.  Always though it was reaching too much.  Shepard hearing humming though....that's more intersting.

2 & 3)As usually, I'll state that I think the more likely explination is being rushed for release and conserving resources.  The run to the beam and the walk towards it are treated as two seperate maps so the chance of some continuity errors appearing is completely understandable, and it was probably judged to be a poor use of resources to create a seperate "burned" version of each shepard armor permutation.

That said, within the context of indoctrination theory, it makes sense if you think about it in the context of being a dream.  Shepard only saw the surrounding area arround him briefly before he was hit by the beam...so it makes sense his projected version of the world has slight discrepencies, and that it would overlap with his nightmares in some respects.
His armor....it's a bit more of a stretch...but it's still the same principle.

Modifié par Sepharih, 09 mai 2012 - 03:27 .

[Ownaholic]

N7L4D wrote...

Untold wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

It's finally finished and ready for your viewing pleasure!

Over an hour and twenty minutes of straight up analysis surrounding the indoctrination theory. I just want to say thank you SO MUCH to everybody who has patiently awaited this documentary, and to everybody who takes the time to watch it.

Don't forget to watch in HD, and as always, enjoy! 

The Indoctrination Theory - A Documentary

Please hold all discussions in this topic, on the video itself, or in our designated topic for the discussion on our homepage at CleverNoob.com

If any of you are interested in promoting the video, feel free to use this image in your signature. Or just talk about the video. =D. It was a terrible 2-minute job; you have my sincerest apologies for how horrible it is.

Here's another one made by N7L4D here on the forums:

Nicely done man. Good job arguing your points.

actually sircroft made it:D

Crap. Fixing. Thanks for telling me haha. You could've had fame and glory, but no, your Paragon status kicked in.

[balance5050]

Hey dude, The "1M1" is a texture from ending sequence in Mass Effect 1.

Edit, NM I see you noticed it.

Modifié par balance5050, 09 mai 2012 - 03:29 .

[Ownaholic]

balance5050 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Aaleel wrote...


1) Vega saying do you hear that humming. Shepard is the one who is being indoctrinated, he/she and he/she only would hear the humming. Vega hearing humming would make sense if Vega were the one being indoctrinated.
 

Hearing strange humming is mentioned in the indoctrination codex.

Yeah by the person being indcotrinated.  Vega is not being slowly indoctrinated, Shepard is.  Shepard would be the one hearing the humming.

Sigh... then there is no reason, it's random, no meaning whatsoever..... unless, you know, the Normandy has reaper tech in it, like the reaper IFF.

I cannot for the life of me come up with where I am getting this next statement from, but I recall hearing/reading that Vega has been in close contact with Reaper tech before.
Besides, even fighting Reaper forces is enough to jump start the indoctrination process.
Not to mention, there's no reason the indoctrination attempts can't have a "splash" effect; in that because Shepard is standing RIGHT THERE, Vega would begin to hear humming. Remember how every Salarian soldier on the Virmire base became indoctrinated in a matter of hours? Same reasoning.

Modifié par Ownaholic, 09 mai 2012 - 03:30 .

[N7L4D]

Ownaholic wrote...

N7L4D wrote...

Untold wrote...

Ownaholic wrote...

It's finally finished and ready for your viewing pleasure!

Over an hour and twenty minutes of straight up analysis surrounding the indoctrination theory. I just want to say thank you SO MUCH to everybody who has patiently awaited this documentary, and to everybody who takes the time to watch it.

Don't forget to watch in HD, and as always, enjoy! 

The Indoctrination Theory - A Documentary

Please hold all discussions in this topic, on the video itself, or in our designated topic for the discussion on our homepage at CleverNoob.com

If any of you are interested in promoting the video, feel free to use this image in your signature. Or just talk about the video. =D. It was a terrible 2-minute job; you have my sincerest apologies for how horrible it is.

Here's another one made by N7L4D here on the forums:

Nicely done man. Good job arguing your points.

actually sircroft made it:D

Crap. Fixing. Thanks for telling me haha. You could've had fame and glory, but no, your Paragon status kicked in.

yeah i totally saw a paragon interupt lmao, oh well once a paragon always a paragon:innocent:....unless the renegade interupt is hilarious:devil:

[Aaleel]

Sepharih wrote...

That said, within the context of indoctrination theory, it makes sense if you think about it in the context of being a dream.  Shepard only saw the surrounding area arround him briefly before he was hit by the beam...so it makes sense his projected version of the world has slight discrepencies.  His armor....it's a bit more of a stretch...but it's still the same principle.

Subtle changes I can see.  But I don't care who you are, if you fall asleep in one set of clothes and wake up in another, that will be something that makes any person say WTF lol.

Same thing with adding all the bodies.

Which make sense being there in general because the reapers were using the Conduit to transport humans up to the Citadel for processing.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

NYG1991 wrote...

Just watched it. Great job. Nice touch ending with "reignite" for the credits

+1 Could I add my Kudos to the author?

Very well presented, and very much how I visioned the theory, thank you.