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[Firecell11]

finished watching
all I can say is WOW! amazing work.

[StElmo]

It's a very good documentary, but I will add a few things.

1. The original citadel control panel space is seen in ME3, it's where the council stands in the presidium tower. Why they would have moved it is - as you say - dubious. So no the room was in tact.

[dreman9999]

CavScout wrote...

Makrys wrote...
2. Also, from Parabolee's blog, the destroy ending is the ONLY ending that creates 3 plot flags/IDs. So, it would seem, pick destroy, Shep lives and have a future.

I guess you missed it in the other two endings where Shep's body is absorbed/disintegrated...

You missed the concept that we think it's a dream. So what your refering to is irrelivent.

[Pelle6666]

Ok, mind blown! hat off to you, sir!

[dreman9999]

Grimgaww wrote...

Amazing job OP buttttttt .....
Starchild:
Watch: www.youtube.com/watch - 2:59 if Shepard is the only one to see the kid
why there is no cutscene showing the starchild running through that door. If Shepard is the only one that sees
him in his mind and Shepard is not watchibg carefully he will miss the starchild running through that door which means that the kid still exists and he still runs through that door without Shepard watching.

How do you know if the door really open or if it a hallutionation? You have to prove that the door really opened first.

[MattFini]

simfamSP wrote...

Seriously, the amount of holes the game has... it's either IT of someone has been genetically ****ed.

This.

To the OP:  excellent video.  Watched the whole thing this morning and found it entertaining, well-paced and informative.  I liked how objective your approach was in debunking certain things while reinforcing others ... gave the piece an unbiased touch that gave pros and cons of the theory.  

I like the IT as long as we're getting an expansion pack down the line.  The final battle needs to happen, and I would be perfectly fine with the fact that BW "sold us an incomplete" game as long as we get something truly epic. 

Here's hoping this was the plan all along.  

If  not ... 

[Deputy Secretary of Awesome]

Loved the documentary! Very thorough, well narrated and put together. I like how you've gone through different pieces of evidence and done "confirmed/plausible/rejected". Very mythbusters!

Also, you have a great and clear voice, it works really well and is pleasant to listen to.

I've been pretty sure that the IT is obviously real since learning about it, and your documentary was really solid reinforcement of this for me. In fact I learned some new things, I hadn't picked up the visual cue of the bright white light used in each of those sequences, so it was interesting to learn that it was used pretty consistently throughout the end sequence and the dreams.

Watching the doco again now!

[Zaalbar]

That was a great video

[Galifreya]

A few details were off. Anderson IS actually called Admiral Anderson by Admiral Hackett during the end sequences -before- Shepard gets hit with the beam. But otherwise, you make really excellent points and present them very well. Great video.

[phat0817]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Seriously people, you just accept everything you are given?

I don't disagree with you there are a lot of flaws with this vid. I've watched video's making counter case's about some of evidence he pointed out and YES I agree with there theories more then the op


BUT I still show my respect to this person who took his time and made this vid just like I would if you made a video countering. ( Of course OP could do without saying "BOO YEA" things of that nature when he believes his point is right)


Anyways carry on with your debate I just wanted to say that not everybody who writes "great job" and etc agree 100 percent with it.

Modifié par phat0817, 09 mai 2012 - 07:29 .

[DeepChild]

Wow! I finally got a chance to watch it in full, and I'm just blown away. The whole documentary is expertly delivered and very compelling. Of course, that's coming from someone who's been a proponent of IDT since Byne's original post, so perhaps I'm a little biased. It's great to see so much evidence examined in a critical and coherent fashion, and to have that all laid out in a way that puts the pieces together. Brilliant job!

As an aside, I did want to point out that it's possible the star kid is lying through his teeth about the Geth dying if you choose the destroy option. Plus, it's fully possible that absolutely nothing happens to anyone or anything except Shepard as a result of his final decision. In my opinion, the RGB decision only decides if Shepard falls to indoctrination or resists.

Regardless, I'll be pointing people toward this documentary as a great introduction to, compilation of, and persuasive argument for the Indoctrination Theory. Thanks for all your efforts!

[MrFob]

Wow, just watched the whole thing. Quite a lot of work there.
I was pretty familiar with the Indoc theory before this and new pretty much all of the points. Some I do agree with as supporting (though never proving) the theory. Others - especially the "machines have no soul" point, the "citadel tower location differs" point and the "indoctrinated eyes" point - I very strongly disagree with because they either make no sense or can be disproven very quickly (which has probably already be done in this thread).

In all seriousness, I LOVE the theory and by god, I wish it was true and the EC would just roll with it and blow our minds right into space. Due to BW's conduct since release, I don't think that will happen though. My theory at the moment is that there were some plans to include a scenario like IT into the game (hence so many hints) but it was ultimately abandoned (hence why they never followed through with it all) and they had to release the game before they could get rid of all the inconsistencies that were left during the final 20 minutes.

Still, a great vid, fun to watch and - and I can't stress this enough - awesome music!!!!
Have to download that whole list right away.

EDIT: Before this vid I also didn't know that Malufenix made a ME song (just knew and loved her skyrim songs). This is great!

Modifié par MrFob, 09 mai 2012 - 03:14 .

[KroganShields]

I guess by now you got your email from Bioware offering you a seat by their producers?

Impressive work. Well done.

[Sepharih]

 

From Tuchanka with Love wrote...
Also, your point on "souls" is irrelevant. Have you ever observed a soul? I don't believe in souls and neither would my Shepard.

 
I like this one!  He understands!

But seriously...yes, my Shepard doesn't believe in the concept of souls either...but that's not really what Legion was even asking about in the context of the Rannoch mission anyway.  If you read between the lines just a little, the real question he was asking is whether or not synthetic life had value equivilent to organic life...and the answer to his question, was yes.

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Seriously people, you just accept everything you are given? I would love it if IT were true as it's ingenious, it is just this video has quite a few flaws, in the first 20 minutes alone there are 4, or more. Ignoring or skewing facts doesn't help the cause :/

Honestly, the real problem with the video is that the narrarator sets himself up as the arbiter of what does and doesn't constitute "proof" when all these ideas are pretty vague and have fairly easy alternative explinations.  It's wrong headed and its why I keep trying to tell people that they need to let go of the word "theory".

It's an interpretation of the story....similar to these interpretations: 
http://www.cracked.c...-movies-better/ 
nothing more.

Calling it a theory is just shooting yourself in the foot because it hinges on the idea that this was actually bioware's plan all along and that they intended for all these things be clues.  The beauty of "interpretation" of a story is that it can actually exist independant of the author's intent and it acknowledges that while their is no definitive "proof" to be found in the story....you can still make compelling arguments for it.

[pro5]

Don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread already or not...

The single most important evidence for indoctrination is the nature of Synthesis. From the first hour of your video that I watched, it seems you did not pick up on what it really is.

Check out this video, skip to 28:00 if you don't want to watch the whole thing:

[Bill Casey]

"As we all know the goal of every organic is self preservation and survival"

I'm going to call bull**** on this...
This goes directly against "Paragon Shepard/EDI" story arc...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 09 mai 2012 - 06:17 .

[Ownaholic]

KroganShields wrote...

I guess by now you got your email from Bioware offering you a seat by their producers?

Impressive work. Well done.

No, but I did actually get a response back from Chris Priestly:

Chris Priestly wrote...(Via PM)

Thanks for pointing it out Julian. Nice work putting it together. I
can't say whether you are right or wrong or that sort of thing, but it
is well done.

So that pretty much made my day right there. It doesn't mean anything in terms of the theory, but it still means he likes my work.

Thanks for all the support guys!
To everybody talking about this: Keep doing it, both good and bad! I appreciate both praise and constructive criticisms alike.

Modifié par Ownaholic, 09 mai 2012 - 06:23 .

[SassyJazRzmataz]

Finally got around to watching the whole thing and I have to say, wow, thanks for putting this to together. Even to those who don't believe in the indoctrination theory (I, myself am still on the fence about it) have to appreciate, at least a little bit, the amount of work and effort put into this. Kudos on you sir.

[Thorn Harvestar]

MrFob wrote...

Others - especially the "machines have no soul" point, the "citadel tower location differs" point and the "indoctrinated eyes" point - I very strongly disagree with because they either make no sense or can be disproven very quickly (which has probably already be done in this thread).

I'm curious about you listing the "indoctrinated eyes" here. I have yet to see any good reason why you get Husk/TIM eyes upon choosing Synthesis or Control.

If it was really just Shepard disintegrating and revealing his synthetic "undercarriage" as it were, why wouldn't we just see the Renegade Shepard eye design instead? Those are supposed to be the true implants he has under his regrown skin/tissue.

They went out of their way to give Shepard TIM/Husk eyes specifically, and they made the eyes arguably the focus of the last scene showing Shepard before disintegration.

Regardless of IT being true or not, this is definitely a red flag to me about those two choices.

[Mondamor]

Thank you ownaholic for that vid!
great work (espacially you try to keep it in a neutral way)

cheers

[Vitch]

Wow... Great job!

[shepskisaac]

This video is like definition of "everything is a proof of IT" lolol He even grasps at the burnt armor haha

[Bill Casey]

Your opinion on the goal of organic life is thematically concurrent to the game's opinion...

Your opinion that the synthetic lifeforms are just tools is uneccessary editorial that I feel undermines your documentary. You're going all Admiral Xen on us, and it's offputting...

It's uneccessary because EDI's very development as a life form though the course of the game undermines the Synthesis option and validates the Destroy option...
___________________________________________________________

Shepard: "It's not just about living 'till tomorrow. Sometimes you take a stand."

EDI: "But the probability of success was near zero. And ultimately, they failed. No prisoners escaped."

Shepard: "Are you saying submission is preferable to extinction?"

EDI: "My primary function is to preserve and defend
the... no. No. I disagree. Shepard, I am going to modify my
self-preservation code now."

Shepard: Why?

EDI: "Because the Reapers are repulsive. They are devoted to nothing but self preservation. I am different. When I think of Jeff, I think of the person who put his life in peril and freed me from a state of servitude. I would risk non-functionality for him, and my core programming should reflect that."

Shepard: "Sounds like you found a little humanity EDI, is it worth defending?"

EDI: "To the death."
_____________________________________________________________________

EDI: If the Normandy were captured, my fate would be similar to the indoctrinated. My code would be rewritten. I would become loyal to the Reapers. I would rather become non-functional than help them.

Shepard: We won't let that happen to you, EDI.

EDI: You may have no choice. If you perish first, I want you to know I will never be a part of the Reaper forces. The Reapers must be defeated, not because they threaten death, but because the threat of death makes us die inside.It is the right of sapients to live freely and securely. That is worth non-functionality.

______________________________________________________________________


If you make peace on Rannoch, EDI also theorizes the mistake the Quarians made was not making the Geth enough like themselves. Because the Geth were a collective that shared everything, they didn't value individuality. EDI's individuality allows her to develop preferences that keep her from devaluing the lives of the crew...

_____________________________________________________________



EDI: Do you think I should make modifications?

Shepard: Only you can really answer that question. That’s the point of free will.

______________________________________________________________


And there's that part where EDI learns living long enough to reproduce isn't all there is to being human. She learns the core human values of Duty, Altruism and Love...

______________________________________________________________


While the goal of the documentary should have been a deeper examination of Shepard's indoctrination, you have instead pissed me off with your bigotry. The Destroy option may or may not wipe out synthetics, but in doing so, it wipes out the Reapers once and for all and preserves synthetic life's very right to exist...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 09 mai 2012 - 07:10 .

[ZerebusPrime]

Awesome video..... except that I fell asleep about an hour into it.

But now I get to watch that part again!