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[Joe1962]

Gallifreya wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Prove to me that what star brat said came true. Show me screenshots of the Geth in piles and EDI deactivated.

FYI: Why would Joker be smiling after when exiting the Normandy if EDI died?

This. And she can step out of the Normandy if you pick destroy. BioWare has confirmed that this is NOT a bug or an oversight. I refuse to believe the Geth are dead and gone until I see them fall to the ground like the Reapers did.

Catalyst lied.

^This^ the kid lied.

I've seen EDI get off the ship, and did not see any dead Geth.

The kid also hinted that Shep would die and my Shep always lives.

Shep said, "The illusive man seems to think controlling the Reapers is the way we win this."

You could also say Saren thought joining the Reapers (Synthesis) was how we win this.

I agree with Hacket who said, "He's wrong. Dead Reapers is how we win this."

If the EC confirms the Geth died I will still always choose destroy.

It's what Garrus called "the ruthless calculus of war" billions of Geth had to die so hundreds of billions could live.

Destroy for me. First, last and always. I've never even watched any of the other endings on youtube, as I have zero intrest in them.

[The Night Mammoth]

Shallyah wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...


It still seems that when some people talk about how the Geth and EDI are 'just machines' they missed quite a lot of dialogue. 

Didn't miss any dialogue myself. I just didn't buy it. I don't buy the Geth consensus which is a desperate attempt of Bioware to turn players into sympathyzing the Geth, only to make picking Destroy a harder moral choice. And definitely I don't buy any similar attempts for the writers of the game to make it seem like artificial spacejunk which is a joke, an imitation, can compare in any way to real life.

True AI hasn't even been discovered yet in reality, so the Geth are basically some humans at Bioware trying to imitate how true AI would imitate life. It's not even imitation of life. It's the imitation of an imitation. I don't care how expensive the Geth are trying to be sold, or how hard the game tries. Machines are machines, and sci-fi isn't going to buy them any more sympathy than that.

Feel sorry about the Geth? Probably, yes. Especially after I managed to get the quarians to get along with them and help each other. Feel bad about destroying them so that the Reapears can be destroyed? Hell no. I feel bad for the 300,000 batarians I killed in Arrival. But the Geth make me feel as bad as if I had to destroy all the televisions of the world to remove the Reapers. They will be missed, but we'll just build more, if we even decide they're worth building again.

So are the Geth sapient? Are they on the same intellectual and emotionally developed level as humans?

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 09 mai 2012 - 03:42 .

[Unschuld]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

I don't consider the Geth "people", so genocide. trololololol

[Fade9wayz]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Shallyah wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
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So are the Geth sapient? Are they on the same intellectual and emotionally developed level as humans?

 

Not the same, but something comparable at least. Intellectually, they are probably above human, analytical logic and all. Emotionally, probably on a lesser level, but on a fascinating learning curve. I'd easily rate them lightyears above Vorcha on both accounts.

Modifié par Fade9wayz, 09 mai 2012 - 03:58 .

[Galifreya]

wantedman dan wrote...

Gallifreya wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Prove to me that what star brat said came true. Show me screenshots of the Geth in piles and EDI deactivated.

FYI: Why would Joker be smiling after when exiting the Normandy if EDI died?

This. And she can step out of the Normandy if you pick destroy. BioWare has confirmed that this is NOT a bug or an oversight. I refuse to believe the Geth are dead and gone until I see them fall to the ground like the Reapers did.

Catalyst lied.

How the f*ck do you get this to happen?!

Take EDI everywhere, talk to her after every mission, and help her in every way possible. Take her on the final charge to the beam, and bam. You've got yourself a living EDI for the destroy ending. DO NOT pick up Javik, or he'll bug out and step off the Normandy no matter where you take him or how many times you talked to him.

[Galifreya]

Joe1962 wrote...

^This^ the kid lied.

I've seen EDI get off the ship, and did not see any dead Geth.

The kid also hinted that Shep would die and my Shep always lives.

Shep said, "The illusive man seems to think controlling the Reapers is the way we win this."

You could also say Saren thought joining the Reapers (Synthesis) was how we win this.

I agree with Hacket who said, "He's wrong. Dead Reapers is how we win this."

If the EC confirms the Geth died I will still always choose destroy.

It's what Garrus called "the ruthless calculus of war" billions of Geth had to die so hundreds of billions could live.

Destroy for me. First, last and always. I've never even watched any of the other endings on youtube, as I have zero intrest in them.

You should at least watch them. It's only further proof that both control and synthesis are just BAD. All around. Control is by far the worst. So many funky/fishy things happen. It's ridiculous.

[Warp92]

Tony77A wrote...

I didn't die when I chose destroy, and neither did the geth/edi.
Prove me wrong...

 I like this statement.

[wantedman dan]

Gallifreya wrote...

Take EDI everywhere, talk to her after every mission, and help her in every way possible. Take her on the final charge to the beam, and bam. You've got yourself a living EDI for the destroy ending. DO NOT pick up Javik, or he'll bug out and step off the Normandy no matter where you take him or how many times you talked to him.

Aha. That's why. That bastard prothean always stepped out.

I've got the first parts covered. Edi is my tech guru to Garrus' soldier guru to my biotic guru.

[G Kevin]

I picked red because I aimed to destroy the reapers. Control and Synthesis allow them to live which is problematic, especially if Shepard is not going to exist after that anymore.

[Hadeedak]

I like control personally, though I plan on choosing destroy on a few Shepards.

Control was for my favorite Shepard, total victory, canon playthrough.

I look forward to choosing destroy on some pragmatists and renegades, depending on what the EC says and does.

A few things: First off, he doesn't say EDI will die in destroy. He does say the geth will. And the relays totally explode, as does the Citadel. Destroy is also the only one where he doesn't say Shepard WILL die, and the easiest to get to.

Control doesn't particularly imply the cycle will continue, or that anything will be the same. What it actually means when you get a bunch of reapers upgraded with Shep2.0 is firmly in the realm of headcanon, which is probably working as intended.

I'd defend synthesis but I don't get it.

In all 3 cases, you win. You end the reaper threat! Yay, Shepard!

Modifié par Hadeedak, 09 mai 2012 - 05:47 .

[BigGuy28]

Committing genocide on the Reapers? Yeah I enjoyed it very much, felt really good. I was happy to bring a small measure of justice to the thousands of species the Reapers committed genocide on.

[ed87]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Wrex

[Jostle]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

No, but then I didn't enjoy much about the ending at all, let alone the game itself, sans Tuchunka and Rannoch.

[Grimwick]

David7204 wrote...

No.

But I enjoy not being united with Liara even less.

[Master Xanthan]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Nope, it was necessary to make the sure the Reaper threat no longer exists. In Control the Snythesis, the Reapers still remain, so both of those endings are more risky IMO.

[Verit]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I didn't kill the geth, BioWare did.

- They put that crap in there just to stop everyone from picking destroy and you know it. Thanks for reminding me of another reason I hated the endings.

This is my opinion as well.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 09 mai 2012 - 05:43 .

[k-stigus]

picked it since my geth were already killed off (i screwed up the part on saving them both). Seemed like the simplest and most logical choice

[Vox Draco]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Yes, it was a pleasure to eradicate the Reapers and make sure they will NEVER harm anyone again, avenge the countless of lives they took and pave the way to a galaxy that is absolutley free of the Reapers meddling...

Why did you ask this? Oh...I see, the living programs you are refering to...well...everything comes at a price, Legion knew that. Sacrifice a few to save many. And no, I do not consider control or synthesis an alternative. Too risky the Reapers might still be able to go back to their old habits, and synthesis, don't make me laugh...

Not to mention, that after all, it is the catalyst that is responsible for EVERY death,  including the Geth...after all, he could simply admit his idiocy and commit suicide together with the Reapers...It's not our fault, after all...

So yes, I am glad the Reapers are wiped out and will never come back, and Shep will shed a tear for all those programs that got deleted to achieve this...

[Sohlito]

I chose the first two out of confusion initially (Control, Synthesis). Destroy was then chosen out of frustration.

It played out like this: "Great, the first two were complete and utter nonsensical ****, red can't be THAT bad, right? I mean, Red is a nifty color, RED was a good movie with Morgan Freeman, everyone loves Morgan Freeman."

As soon as the initial sense of pure disbelief wore off, I began to think about each choice respectively. Mulling over each for hours, weighing them against the rest of the series in terms of narrative flow. And I have come to the conclusion that Destroy, is least jarring in terms of narrative cohesion. It fits Shepard's goal in my opinion, and isn't all that out of character for him. Arrival being a good example. But I do hold, that all three are thematically atrocious.

I also tend to look at it like this though, the Geth and EDI, as much as I may love them equally, are small (tiny) price to pay when weighed against the rest of the galaxy. Was the same with the Batarian colony I suspect.

Modifié par Sohlito, 09 mai 2012 - 07:09 .

[Hadeedak]

It depends on your Shepard, of course. I imagine most people will make different choices in different playthroughs. I know I will! And that's pretty much the part I actually LIKE about the endings. There's not a 'best' ending. There's 3 flavors of getting hit upside the head and then being offered a peanut butter cup!

[NGC1300]

I was selfish, I chose destroy because I wanted my Shep to live. I could bring up thousands of reasons to choose the other two(and I would say synthesis is the best) but at last it's heart not head that got better of me.

[Abreu Road]

Don't you destroy the relays in every ending?

You know, going supernova and that ****, everyone dies, including genophage cured krogans and everyone on Rannoch, Palaven, Earth.

No matter what you choose, you commit genocide. And let Garrus and Tali die of starvation too.

Modifié par Abreu Road, 09 mai 2012 - 06:58 .

[Vox Draco]

Hadeedak wrote...

It depends on your Shepard, of course. I imagine most people will make different choices in different playthroughs. I know I will! And that's pretty much the part I actually LIKE about the endings. There's not a 'best' ending. There's 3 flavors of getting hit upside the head and then being offered a peanut butter cup!

Lucky you! I finished the game some days after release, haven't played ever since and no intention to do so in the near future, though maybe the EC might change that, we'll see...

and I can hardly think of any of my Shepard's making another decision than choosing red. It is simply not...sensible to choose anything else aka committing suicide based on wishful thinking while you face the one enemy you need to stop...

Maybe if I'd play a slightly insane Shepard...hmmm...or one that is an addicted gambler and loves to play games of luck....or one that still has a death-wish after being dead once...or one with a god-complex? or...

[Hadeedak]

Deathwish Shepard is going with destroy... She's going to fail at dying, too, because I'm horribly mean on occasion. She can breath. And wake up. Alone. This is the pure paragon who crushed on Kaidan, virmire'd him, and then fell for Thane.

Control Shepard actually REALLY, REALLY hates Cerberus. So part of control feeling right for my canon may have been "HAH. Watch me do this. RIGHT." The other part was that she isn't willing to leave anyone behind, and fear doesn't compromise who she is. And yeah, heroic sacrifice. She'll meet Garrus at the bar!



I don't know who'll choose synthesis. >> Someday.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 09 mai 2012 - 07:06 .