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[NRieh]

The Spacekid is an unreliable narrator who, at its base core, wants to survive. He'll tell you anything that he thinks will keep you from killing him. In fact, Spacekid says that since Shepard is also partially synthetic, he would die as well and, yet, I got the breathing Shepard scene where he clearly didn't die, disproving Spacekid.

So here comes the other point. If he said Shep dies, but Shep lives....Where the hell is a proof that all reapers\\relays\\anything at all are gone??? Simple logic makes everything he sais about red possibly false, since one of statements was false 100%.

Hohestly, I picked up red because I followed same logic. Can't control this - it can control you, can't "synthesise" this - can't change people I know(and everyone as well) into some cyberthings...Destroy? And my Shep survived?...Wow, sounds good...untill you think of it one more time. So, I don't like other choices a lot, and I'm very likely to pick same red on my replay. But still...

[Deemz]

Genocide WTF? You talking about the toasters? Sorry, I destroy the Geth units without pause earlier in the game. I could not care less about them. The two or three missions I did with legion did not make me think Me think they were alive.

The only real crime of the ending was the green ending. Altering the DNA of all the living beings in the galaxy? Not only is that stupid, you just violated evEry single being by altering who they once were.

[Tom Lehrer]

The Geth and EDI are alive but I picked destroy and will pick destroy every time. Green is galactic rape and Blue is so egotistical its hard to even explain.

Both EDI and the Geth went into the fight knowing it they might not make it out alive but were still willing to fight to the death. Even assuming ghostboy told the truth and they are killed in Red it does not matter. They died to save everyone else.

[Hadeedak]

In your Red, Edi and the geth died to save everyone else. In my Blue, Shepard died to save EVERYONE else.

[shodiswe]

Killing the Geth is horrible, but the catalyst might be lying about that, IT'S NOT the most trustworthy entity in the galaxy...

Synthesis is at the very least technology trap 2.0.

Controll.... How do I know I will have controll and for how long? maybe the creators of the reapers suddenly takes control? how do I know I can kill of the reapers once I have control? how do I know the galaxy wont need the reapers as peace keepers? How do I know the power and change of physical form if shepard is still allive won't corrupt shepards personality?

All in all it's one really bad and unknow option or another, I realy can't trust the catalyst and I can't see how shepard can trust the catalyst... Blowing the tubes coudl have been a trap to kill shepard and sabotage the crucible before it's reached full power or callibrated itself or whatelse it might be doign for all I know... Maybe all that was needed was time, not even the scientists working on it fully understood the fuction.
The only feed back Shepard has in that hopeless situation is the enemy trying ot flatter shepard and "urges" shepard to take action... The whole desing of this ending upset me, the least I would have wanted was to put the reaper in their place before picking a possibly fatal misstake!

Modifié par shodiswe, 09 mai 2012 - 08:06 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Hadeedak wrote...

In your Red, Edi and the geth died to save everyone else. In my Blue, Shepard died to save EVERYONE else.

What I don't understand is that if you die.....how do you control them. 

They try and work around this with "You'll lose everything you have."

WTF is that suppose to mean?

[KingZayd]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Of the Reapers? Yes. And i'd do it again.
Of the Geth? No. Although nothing shows it happened, if it did it was a necessary sacrifice. I'm sure the Geth felt the same way when they sided with the reapers for their own survival. And yes, I do like the Geth. If it came to it, I'd choose them over the Quarians.

Modifié par KingZayd, 09 mai 2012 - 08:23 .

[Belisarius09]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

You big stupid jellyfish.  GTFO. 

It is implied the Geth/Edi perish if this one chooses destroy, but not proven to be true.  Even if that is the case, we knew sacrifices and casualties would occur going in.  The sacrifice of the Geth/EDI is not in vain.  The red ending is the only ending which ends the Reaper threat and gives future generations the ability to create their own future w/o violation of free will. 

[cyrslash1974]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

What is your choice ? Control ? Synthesis ?
Do you love the ending ?

[Hadeedak]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Hadeedak wrote...

In your Red, Edi and the geth died to save everyone else. In my Blue, Shepard died to save EVERYONE else.

What I don't understand is that if you die.....how do you control them. 

They try and work around this with "You'll lose everything you have."

WTF is that suppose to mean?

Well, at a guess...

Either Shepard becomes an AI/VI similar to the one driving President Huetra or the new Catalyst...

Or Shepard is gone, but his/her values are what's uploaded to the reapers.

Yeah, you get a dead Shepard. But Shepard is no stranger to being dead. Exactly how it works is in the realm of speculation, but... clearly, it does.

[Master_Smurf]

It doesnt matter, you could be a Shep who hates the Reapers, distrust the Geth and only see them as smart machines. Even EDI that saved your ship you could see as a means to and end and destroy her once the mission is over. I wished their was an option to reshackle EDI, that would fit in better for the renegade ME Shep.

I chose control, havent finished my 2nd playthrough yet as their is no real desire with the ending fiasco. Will probably play both Sheps once the DLC comes out and then re-visit the sites so I dont spoil it for myself.

[TheWerdna]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

But you did do it on purpose. He told you "If you shoot this tube, the Geth will die."


It seems you knew what you were doing going into it.

I don't think you understand. Well, actually, I think you're trolling, but I'll explain it anyway.

On purpose: for that deliberate reason.

I didn't pick destroy just so I could kill the geth. I picked destroy because it was the lesser of three evils.

That's what Mordin said about the Genophage...

Ya,but all the alternatives were even less moral in my opinion. If I had a better choice, I would have taken it. Sadly I did not, thus choose destroy.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

I broke my indoctrination and defied the star child/harbinger.

Now good day sir!

[webhead921]

The genocide argument is stupid. Seriously. Go replay Arrival. Shepard already killed thousands of batarians to slow down the reapers in The Arrival DLC. No matter what type of character your Shepard is, Shepard destroyed a system JUST TO SLOW DOWN the reapers. Would Shepard kill an entire race to STOP THE REAPERS ONCE AND FOR ALL? Yes. Destroy is consistent with Shepard's behavior in Arrival. Control goes against all of Shepard's prior characterization.

[dmonorato]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I didn't commit genocide. I didn't kill anyone intentionally, which is what genocide is.

It's the difference between murder and manslaughter.

But you did do it on purpose. He told you "If you shoot this tube, the Geth will die."


It seems you knew what you were doing going into it.

Yeah and you believe that stupid Space Kid....go troll the  WoW forums or something I hear they have Panda's

[Fox In The Box]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Yes.


On a more serious note; if Shepard is stuck with the options of being either morally repugnant or being an idiot and morally repugnant, what's a girl to do?

Modifié par Fox In The Box, 10 mai 2012 - 09:05 .

[gmboy902]

It's my Shepard's Renegade mindset.

They're synthetics. Not real people. Why should I care? Besides, it gets rid of the problem in the simplest manner possible, ensuring that the Reapers will never return, and at the same time middle-fingers the Catalyst by allowing Synthetics to be re-created.

[Hadeedak]

Fox In The Box wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Yes.


On a more serious note; if Shepard is stuck with the options of being either morally repugnant or a being an idiot and morally repugnant, what's a girl to do?

Pick the least annoying/most fitting for your Shepard one, headcanon, and wait for the Extended cut! >>

[Calibrations Expert]

xsdob wrote...

Oh shut the **** up. I picked control and even that made me want to punch you for that post.

Fellow Control Freak, I am surprised. I find Destruction to be the worst ending unless you kill the Geth. Which I would have if I didn't unite them with the Quarians.

Modifié par Calibrations Expert, 09 mai 2012 - 09:05 .

[webhead921]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Many people are bringing up Arrival, I never played it because I didn't have room on my Xbox. Based on what my friends told me though, Shepard wasn't the one who crashed that asteroid into the relay. It was somebody else and he couldn't stop it. Also, many Batarians died, but not on the scale that the Geth would in the Destroy ending.

Shepard hits the switch that sends the asteroid into the realy.  Shepard specifically says in a conversation that she is willing to destroy an ENTIRE SYSTEM to just to slow down the reapers (this is not a paragon/renegade choice, this is pre-set dialogue if I'm not mistaken).  The scale of destruction is pretty huge.  300,000 Batarians die.  And remember, this happens regardless of whether your shepard is a paragon or renegade.  The destroy ending is the only ending that is consistent with these events.

[cyrslash1974]

[quote]The Mad Hanar wrote...

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Why wouldn't I believe the StarChild? Just because other people don't? Sorry, I have a mind of my own.

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Because his logic is wrong.

[Flubberlub]

Synthesis for the win
Creepy robot sex for the win
Reaper-Human babies for the win... Oh wait... Ew
At least with synthesis its not all destroy, you create (he he) stuff as well

[Draining Dragon]

Do you enjoy genetically violating the entire galaxy and doing exactly what the reapers want? (synthesis)

Do you enjoy crapping on Anderson's grave? (control)

[The fool you should have eaten]

Good Hanar sir,
I believe that our favorite turian termed such actions "ruthless calculus"
We chose the path needed to ensure that the Reapers failed in harvesting galactic society (how is that any different than synthesis), and we also ensured that they would not come back. Ever. This is not guarenteed if you chose control.