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[Draining Dragon]

Everybody who chose endings other than destroy seems to have forgotten the multiple nonsensical genocides that the Reapers carried out.

[The Mercenary55]

lol i have one thing to say

starbrat said you would die if you chose destroy, yet theres a scene where shepard takes a breathe, now if he was false about that, whos to say he isnt false about edi and the geth dying.

think about it

[Draining Dragon]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

Everybody who chose endings other than destroy seems to have forgotten the multiple nonsensical genocides that the Reapers carried out.

Justifying a crime with a crime is not a good argument.


Besides, if we do what they do how are we any better than them?

It's not a crime to execute a murderer.

[Brother Takka]

I guess OP, you missed the part where you proved him wrong with the Geth making peace and EDI falling in love with Joker. If he's wrong about that, then he could be wrong about the Geth. If the EC tells us other wise. Then so be it. But untill then, I didn't kill anyone I didn't have to.

[wook77]

The Mercenary55 wrote...

lol i have one thing to say

starbrat said you would die if you chose destroy, yet theres a scene where shepard takes a breathe, now if he was false about that, whos to say he isnt false about edi and the geth dying.

think about it

But... but... that requires thinking! The Starkid said it so it has to be true because the Starkid totally wouldn't lie to save his own hide, right? He's like the Stephen Colbert of the Mass Effect World - he's a warrior for Truthiness and Veritasiness!

(in other words, I agree with you, good sir. Starbrat is a lying Liar McLiarton.)

[Fox In The Box]

Hadeedak wrote...

Pick the least annoying/most fitting for your Shepard one, headcanon, and wait for the Extended cut! >>

Hooray! My headcanon is the best. All the cool synthetics survived Destroy, and Legion is still alive somewhere.

/in denial

[webhead921]

The Mad Hanar wrote...


Still, 300,00 Batarians =/= to millions of Geth.

Yes, but the stakes are much higher in the ending.  Shepard kills 300,000 batarians just to slow down the reapers.  It makes sense that a bigger reward (finishing the reapers once and for all) warrants a bigger sacrifice.  It would be pretty anti climactic if the sacrifice to slow down the reapers was greater than the sacrifice to kill the reapers.  

Also, we do not know for sure if destruction will kil all sythetics.  The catalyst says that even you are partly sythetic, yet shepard lives if her EMS is high enough.  We also do not know what destruction entails.  Perhaps it will just destroy the geth's physical bodies.  Maybe they can be rebuilt, and their memories/consciousness can be uploaded to new physical bodies.  We just do not know.  Is it still genocide if we can rebuild geth bodies and upload their memories?  

[Draining Dragon]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

Everybody who chose endings other than destroy seems to have forgotten the multiple nonsensical genocides that the Reapers carried out.

Justifying a crime with a crime is not a good argument.


Besides, if we do what they do how are we any better than them?

It's not a crime to execute a murderer.

Destroying innocent people, such as the Geth, is a crime though.

Genetic violation of the entire galaxy is a crime as well.

[Auztin]

 It's not genocide.It's sacrifice.They knew the cost of this war.They gave thier lives to save us.I will have a statue about how synthetics sacrificed thierselves for organics.

[webhead921]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

Everybody who chose endings other than destroy seems to have forgotten the multiple nonsensical genocides that the Reapers carried out.

Justifying a crime with a crime is not a good argument.


Besides, if we do what they do how are we any better than them?

We are better than them because we are not wiping out all intelligent life in the milky way galaxy.  If you really think it is better to risk the fate of the galaxy by assuming direct control, then that's the ending for you.  However, that goes against Shepard's character (paragon or renegade or in between) and it goes against the themes of the series.  It sucks that the Geth are going to die in destroy, but it is consistent with Shepard's character to make huge sacrifices to stop the reapers once and for all.

Modifié par webhead921, 09 mai 2012 - 09:29 .

[Obeded the 2nd]

Depends on the species, turian.

Love that line

[wook77]

The Mad Hanar wrote...
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Not necessairly, if it's an improvement and people retain their free will.

You mean my free will to say that i do not want to be partially synethetic, even if you think it's an improvement? 

[An English Gamer]

 Seeing how EDI survived then the Geth probably survived, causing the Genocide of the Reapers is fine by me.

[malakim2099]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

As much as you enjoy trolling, apparently.

[Warod]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Depends on the species, Hanar...


+1 Internet to those who get the ME1 reference.

Modifié par Warod, 09 mai 2012 - 09:33 .

[Stump01]

I only picked the other options to see what they looked like. Anytime I'm taking it seriously, I pick Destroy. Control and Synthesis just don't make any sense to me, when taken as a whole. How can you control the reapers if you're dead?

How could the Crucible+Catalyst, something that was designed piecemeal and improved over eons by people who didn't know what it did, possibly change the genetic material of every organic being in the galaxy, when many of the species hadn't even evolved yet when it was designed?!?!?! Don't try to tell me that the Catalyst was still active up to the point when the Crucible was attached, how would the Catalyst possibly know how to do that EVERY organic being in the galaxy without killing them? How could you give genetic material to existing synthetics, and where would the magic green light stop? Would toasters and microwave ovens get "a whole new DNA"? Finally, how would the synthesis of existing organic and synthetic life prevent the creation of new artificial life, which could then destroy us all? Synthesis is just plain stupid, they REALLY need to take that option out of the game. At least Control and Destroy make some sense.

[webhead921]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

wook77 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...
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Not necessairly, if it's an improvement and people retain their free will.

You mean my free will to say that i do not want to be partially synethetic, even if you think it's an improvement? 

So if someone walked up to you and said, "Would you rather gain an immense amount of intellgence and understanding or kill a whole race of people so you don't get it?", what would your choice be?

You are mischaracterizing the situation.  It's more like if someone walked up to you and said "would you rather kill millions to save trillions, or fundamentally change the building blocks of life"?  I do think that some of the synthesis haters are just overanalyzing things, but synthesis does have some very serious negative implications.  

It's important to note that in synthesis, the soldiers do not cheer when the reapers leave.  They just stand there.  The soldiers are cheering in both destroy and control.

[wook77]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

wook77 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...
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Not necessairly, if it's an improvement and people retain their free will.

You mean my free will to say that i do not want to be partially synethetic, even if you think it's an improvement? 

So if someone walked up to you and said, "Would you rather gain an immense amount of intellgence and understanding or kill a whole race of people so you don't get it?", what would your choice be?

You have a decision here based on a false premise. Not surprising considering how you seem so willing to take Starkid at his word.

More appropriate: 

Someone walks up to me and says "you can believe me when I say you're going to kill an entire race of people to stop me from destroying the planet or you can believe me when I say you're going to gain an immense amount of intelligence but you're going to change everyone on the planet, as well and maybe I won't destroy the planet. Oh and ignore the fact that I'm totally just trying to save my own bum here because I'm actually the genocidal maniac jerkface".

Simply put, I don't believe Starkid. I don't believe that I'm going to become synthetic and merge Reapers with people. I also don't believe Starkid that I'm going to kill a bunch of people, including myself, when he says so. This is based on the fact that when I decided to kill off the Reapers, Shepard still lived.

Taking that to the side... your premise is equally as false because I'm not making the decision that only affects myself. I'm making a decision that affects the entire galaxy. So a better example would be "so would you like to force everyone on the planet to possibly gain a bunch of knowledge while fundamentally changing who and what they are at their core or would you like to kill me and, possibly, a small segment of society to stop me from killing everything and everyone anyway".

In that case, I would still choose to sacrifice the minority to benefit the majority because I cannot choose to fundamentally alter the entire freaking galaxy by merging them with the freaking Reapers. There will always be losses in a war, no matter its size and scope. I will always choose to sacrifice myself and the smallest segment of society so as to allow society to continue on its path.

Also - who says that becoming partially synthetic would grant me a boatload of intelligence and understanding? Where did you see that in the Synethesis cutscene? Cause what I saw was that Joker, in the Synthesis ending, still continues to limp, even though he's partially synethetic now and should be fixed because Starkid told me that disease would go away. Guess it didn't actually go away completely, huh?