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[poundoffleshaa]

It was necessary to destroy all Synthetics just in case they decided to breed super organics who might destroy them. 

Modifié par poundoffleshaa, 09 mai 2012 - 09:51 .

[Stump01]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Look, the Destroy leaves people with nothing. The Relays are destroyed, the Citadel is destroyed and there's good reason to believe that the Geth are destroyed. Everybody is screwed.

My interpretation of the Synthesis ending is that when species combine themselves with one another, their memories and knowledge are shared. Therefore, people would gain the knowledge to rebuild the relays and even if they didn't the creators of the relays would still be around. It's not too much of a stretch to say that rebuilding would be in the best interests for the Reapers. That same principle applies with the control ending, minus the shared knowledge part.

So not only do you not have to kill anybody but yourself, but you also give people a fighting chance to rebuild in Control and Synthesis.

So you're saying that you're a Reaper, right?

[Hadeedak]

ESPERANZA SHEPARD, QUEEN OF THE REAPERS.

[webhead921]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Look, the Destroy leaves people with nothing. The Relays are destroyed, the Citadel is destroyed and there's good reason to believe that the Geth are destroyed. Everybody is screwed.

My interpretation of the Synthesis ending is that when species combine themselves with one another, their memories and knowledge are shared. Therefore, people would gain the knowledge to rebuild the relays and even if they didn't the creators of the relays would still be around. It's not too much of a stretch to say that rebuilding would be in the best interests for the Reapers. That same principle applies with the control ending, minus the shared knowledge part.

So not only do you not have to kill anybody but yourself, but you also give people a fighting chance to rebuild in Control and Synthesis.

I think the ending builds on the idea that it might be better to advance on your own than by attempting to use/control technology that you do not fully understand.  In every previous cycle, the galaxy develops along a path that has been pre-determined by the reapers.  This path is designed to culminate in the harvest of intelligent organic life.  Also, Saren and the Illusive Man met their demise because they tried to synthesize with/control technology that they were not ready to use and did not fully understand.  Perhaps it is better to start with a clean slate.  Maybe being left with nothing is a good thing in the long term.  The galaxy can now develop and grow along its own path, instead of the reapers.  You might not agree with this, and that is why a different ending may make more sense to you.  However, I think destroy is consistent with what I have just stated.  I'll leave you with a quote from Legion: "Geth Build our own future. The heretics asked the Old Machines to give them the future. They are no longer part of us."

Modifié par webhead921, 09 mai 2012 - 10:02 .

[wook77]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Look, the Destroy leaves people with nothing. The Relays are destroyed, the Citadel is destroyed and there's good reason to believe that the Geth are destroyed. Everybody is screwed.

My interpretation of the Synthesis ending is that when species combine themselves with one another, their memories and knowledge are shared. Therefore, people would gain the knowledge to rebuild the relays and even if they didn't the creators of the relays would still be around. It's not too much of a stretch to say that rebuilding would be in the best interests for the Reapers. That same principle applies with the control ending, minus the shared knowledge part.

So not only do you not have to kill anybody but yourself, but you also give people a fighting chance to rebuild in Control and Synthesis.

Why should I care about what's in the best interests for the Reapers? No, seriously, why? They're even more genocidal than you're supposing the Red Shepard is and taking him/her to task for it.

Have you watched the comparison of the ending cutscenes by color and placed side by side.  - watch it and see. In rewatching that video - it looks like the exact same graphic for destroy as it is for synthesis for the destruction of the Citadel. (1:14 mark) Oh and gee, the mass relays DO get blown up in Synthesis and Destroy (1:34 mark)

And who says that the galaxy couldn't come up with something even better than the relays? Maybe even something that doesn't have a built-in auto-converter to genetically modify every single being in the entire galaxy to be partially Reaper? 

So, in conclusion, your virtuous Synthesis ending leaves people with the relays destroyed and the Citadel destroyed. Even the Geth are screwed in this ending because now they're stuck with the same limited food sources that every other being is stuck with, straining the resources even more (because if you can assume, oh I'm sorry, "interpret" shared knowledge from every freaking species out there without brains exploding from overload, I can assume, I mean, "interpret" that the Geth suddenly develop a digestion tract).

And Destroy leaves people with their genetic codes unaltered, FTL travel, the ability to come up with their own way of traveling about the galaxy without Reaper input and their genetic codes unaltered. Oh and did I mention the lack of genetic code merging with the genocidal Reapers? 

[SuperVulcan]

Why not ask the people who killed the quarians, geth or sabatoged the genophage cure?

[Zix13]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Did you enjoy failing to accomplish the one thing you were trying to do?

[Zix13]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Did you enjoy failing to accomplish the one thing you were trying to do?

Stopping the cycles? I believe that I did accomplish that.

With which? 

[Zix13]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Did you enjoy failing to accomplish the one thing you were trying to do?

Stopping the cycles? I believe that I did accomplish that.

With which? 

Control.

Really? What makes you think, when making that choice, that dead Shepard will somehow maintain control of the Reapers? Has there ever been a point in any of the three games that has suggested that controlling the reapers is possible? Is there any reason to believe the catalyst when he tells you "Here, take my throne"? Did you miss the encounter with TIM literally two minutes before meeting spacekid?

Modifié par Zix13, 09 mai 2012 - 10:56 .

[GDK]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Poorly done trolling. -10 internets for you.

Do you like turning on every single principle you've ever had? 

Or do you like Forcing unspeakable, horrible change on everyone in the galaxy?

[ShepnTali]

I'll take destroy for the win, Alex.

[wook77]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

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Wow, way to write that much WHILE ignoring every single point I made, you deserve a medal. Also, you say they can come up with a way to travel on their own. Is that before or after the Turians and Quarians starve to death because they have no food to eat? Why should you care about the Reapers? It's simple, and I already said it, they provide the best possibility to quickly rebuild the relays so that the Turians and Qurains don't starve. Or the Krogan become restless and kill everyone on Earth. People don't exactly have decades to wait on R&D to wait on a solution on how to get home. Simple as that.

LOLrly? I addressed your points, perhaps you didn't see that in the midst of the above tantrum? 

FTL gets people where they need to be. It might be slower but the galaxy still doesn't need to wait decades on R&D to solve the food issue. There could very well be a system that supports dextro-protein-based life within a reasonable FTL travel distance. The Krogan could get their own system, as long as we're all assuming lots and lots of stuff all over the place.

How is assumed merged intelligence going to solve the food issue in a fast enough period in the Synthesis ending? Only through assuming that the tools, equipment and raw materials are right there for use in rebuilding the relays across the galaxy and that that rebuilding is happening across the galaxy at the exact same time and pace. What proof do you have that the raw materials and tools are available even if your assumption of merged intelligence is correct? 

I appreciate your passion for the synthesis ending but that passion doesn't mean that the ending is infalliable. It has many issues, just like control and destroy do. They each have their moral quandries. Pretending that each of them isn't somehow repugnant and that synethsis is the only virtuous ending is naive at best.

[Zix13]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Zix13 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Did you enjoy failing to accomplish the one thing you were trying to do?

Stopping the cycles? I believe that I did accomplish that.

With which? 

Control.

Really? What makes you think, when making that choice, that dead Shepard will somehow maintain control of the Reapers? Has there ever been a point in any of the three games that has suggested that controlling the reapers is possible? Is there any reason to believe the catalyst when he tells you "Here, take my throne"? Did you miss the encounter with TIM literally two minutes before meeting spacekid?

It gives people the best possibility to rebuild before they all starve to death or go to war with each other. Yes, there was proof the Reapers could be controlled. Did you miss Horizon?

Reapers are not Reaper minions. Reapers are intelligent and independant, Reapers are sentient and Reapers are capable of controlling organics whereas Reaper minions are little more than zombies. Did you miss the "Well, we got their minions" "can you do this to the reapers?" "uhhhhh...... nope" on Horizon?

Regardless, the technology isn't the issue. All three games talked about the indoctrination and manipulation by the reapers. Even if the tech is in place, lasting control seems impossible, simply because they're better at it than Shep. 

[Skaldian]

The Geth didn't die because I picked the destroy ending. The Geth died because I picked the Quarians.

[anonymous137]

Lesser of three evils. I'd rather give the galaxy the freedom and opportunity to find peace and work together in the future (like the rest of the series emphasized) than force them to become like husks or allow the reapers to continue their own cycle of genocide.

[zambingo]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Control = Play God
Synthesis = Play God
Destroy = Kill the Villain who was Playing God

Destroy is the only option where Life gets a chance to continue. EDI and The Geth may or may not die in it. Our information on their fates is given to us from a Villain that was essentially begging not to be killed and to instead complete their plan.

With that said, during the games...

Legion/The Geth so very strongly preaches, for lack of a better term, about self-determination.

EDI restructures herself to prioritize the lives of others over her own.

Knowing those two characters it is an educated assumption that they would Destroy the Reapers instead of allowing the Reapers to continue their terror.

Genocide?

No. Not even close.

[SovereignX6]

Screw geth.

[hoodaticus]

Hadeedak wrote...

ESPERANZA SHEPARD, QUEEN OF THE REAPERS.

The best part of that is what the name Esperanza actually means...

[hoodaticus]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It gives people the best possibility to rebuild before they all starve to death or go to war with each other. Yes, there was proof the Reapers could be controlled. Did you miss Horizon?

Did you miss the part where the Reapers adapted and successfully invaded Horizon?  So much for that theory!

Modifié par hoodaticus, 10 mai 2012 - 01:26 .

[GHNR]

zambingo wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

Control = Play God
Synthesis = Play God
Destroy = Kill the Villain who was Playing God

Destroy is the only option where Life gets a chance to continue. EDI and The Geth may or may not die in it. Our information on their fates is given to us from a Villain that was essentially begging not to be killed and to instead complete their plan.

With that said, during the games...

Legion/The Geth so very strongly preaches, for lack of a better term, about self-determination.

EDI restructures herself to prioritize the lives of others over her own.

Knowing those two characters it is an educated assumption that they would Destroy the Reapers instead of allowing the Reapers to continue their terror.

Genocide?

No. Not even close.

And then play God.