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[Kuarinokuto]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

How can you kill something that doesn't, technically live?

[Elyiia]

Kuarinokuto wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

How can you kill something that doesn't, technically live?

The Geth, if you save/side with them, are most definately alive.

[Calamity]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I didn't commit genocide. I didn't kill anyone intentionally, which is what genocide is.

It's the difference between murder and manslaughter.

But you did do it on purpose. He told you "If you shoot this tube, the Geth will die."


It seems you knew what you were doing going into it.

That isnt what he said. He says: "You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want, including the geth. Even you are partly synthetic."

[Raiil]

The Geth are alive. They are sapient, sentient beings.

I get that most people didn't do it spitefully, but chances are people who chose red deliberately chose to space magic the s--t out of the Geth (and EDI) and destroy them all.

If you deliberately commit an action that ends an entire species- synthetic or organic- it's genocide. You can't 'rebuild' the Geth. They are the product of years of networked VI slowly evolving into an actual consciousness. There's isn't a single point in ME lore where an AI is handwritten to be an AI. And no, not even our own ship: EDI was not written by Cerberus, she was cobbled together from a pre-existing AI and some Reaper tech.

'Rebuilding' the Geth would be akin to cloning a human from tissue; you might have a copy but it's not an exact replica. You can never get that personality back again.

[Calamity]

Wording is everything.

[Gorkan86]

Troll has already collected six pages, good job I guess.

[NS Wizdum]

Akranadas wrote...

Genocide against what exactly? The Geth?

Sacrifices need to be made in War times, if the Geth had to be wiped out to ensure all other races did not receive the same treatment at the hands of the Reapers, then it was worth it.

They were machines, they only just obtained true AI intelligence; I did not know them personally. I knew Legion; who was dead. Legion was not an accurate representation of all Geth.

Sacrifices are a lot easier to make when someone else is doing the sacrificing, huh?

[Minimooo]

So tell me, did you enjoy taking away the basic right of every organic in the galaxy by re-writing their DNA, not knowing what you could do to them, and what part of them you were going to leave organic? Or did you enjoy controlling the Reapers by siding with the Catalyst in his desires? Because I mean, hey, it's logical that you'd do that even though the Reapers have quite clearly immense indoctrination powers and you don't really know at the end of the day when you upload yourself into them?

They other endings were equally as horrific, but destroy was the most logical - it was the only way to guarantee no repercussions from the Reapers.

Besides the Geth are software, and seeing as the lack of clalirity regarding Bioware, it's my headcanon that the Geth that uploaded into the Quarians suits would have survive - we don't know whether it was just the hardware platforms that were destroyed.

[Peranor]

I loved committing genocide!
The only thing I didn't like about it was that Shepard had to die in the process so I can't travel around the galaxy and defile all the geth "corpses" and mock and laugh at them.

[onchristieroad]

"Is submission not preferable to extinction?"

No: therefore Synthesis and Control are not preferable.
Control: you control the reapers: submission (of the bad guys, whoever goes against these controlled Reapers).
Synthesis: you force the entire galaxy into whatever synthesis is without asking: sideways submission.
Destroy: you wipe out synthetic life in hope of a clear future for all whatever that may entail (future AIs included): unshackled from submission to Reapers at the cost of partial extinction.

[NS Wizdum]

All 3 options involve genocide.
Destroy: kill all Geth and AI based on reaper tech.
Synthesis: remove all pure-organics and pure synthetics from existence.
Control: kill all advanced organic life every 50,000 years.

[Hadeedak]

dorktainian wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you enjoy commiting genocide, Shepard?

only a truly disturbed jellyfish could come up with a comment like that for what is the only correct choice of ending.

/facepalm.

I think Control's more of being a Shepardvirus. Maybe you make the reaper's screens get that annoying popup from Jurassic park, except instead of lauging, it's like "GENOCIDE IS BAD. GTFO." Over. And over. And over.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Semantics, you say genocide I say sacrifice. 

I bet Legion would of made the same sacrifice to his own people if he was in the position to make the call.  

Regardless it sure as hell beat the other two choices that either solved nothing (control) or made things inconceivably worse (synthasis)

[Hadeedak]

NS Wizdum wrote...

Control: kill all advanced organic life every 50,000 years.

...Where the bloody blue blazes are you getting that from? Because I'm pretty sure that's not in my Shepard's core values or personality or whatever she died to get uploaded onto the Reapers.

Nowhere does it say "Be a Spectre, yell at people, WIPE EVERYTHING OUT ON A REGULAR TIME TABLE, make out with Garrus now and again..."

[LTKerr]

Blue: Reapers alive, mass relays destroyed and Shepard dies. This ending only ends this cycle.

Green: Reapers alive, mass relays destroyed and Shepard dies. This ending turns everbody into a cyborg for no reason and ends this cycle.

Red: Reapers dead, mass relays destroyed and Shepard survives. Casper said she was going to die but she's not so EDI and Geth can survive as well. This ending ends this and all future cycles.

As you can see above, there's only ONE option where Shepard makes sure the Reapers will never come back, and that's the red one. Besides, all options suck but at least this one is the less worse one.

Modifié par LTKerr, 09 mai 2012 - 08:02 .

[Hadeedak]

onchristieroad wrote...

"Is submission not preferable to extinction?"

No: therefore Synthesis and Control are not preferable.
Control: you control the reapers: submission (of the bad guys, whoever goes against these controlled Reapers).

"I won't let fear compromise who I am."
Going for Control. I didn't agree with Starbrat. I didn't think organics and synthetics NEEDED to fight, and I wasn't going to wipe them out and prove him right on that Shepard. Besides, it's sort of like the computer version of paragon/renegade persuade. "I'm Shepard, I'm right, see it my way!"

What happens with the Reapers afterwards, unfortunately, is purely speculation.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 09 mai 2012 - 08:05 .

[linsanity]

Both Red and Blue Kill the Geth, taking free will and conciousness away from something is the same as killing. period.

Green forces everyone to become the borg, I WOULD RATHER DIE THEN THAT.
so yeah, **** ending, **** ending or.... **** ending.

Modifié par linsanity, 09 mai 2012 - 08:07 .

[Hadeedak]

Blue doesn't kill the geth. Or EDI. Or fully blow up the relays. Or wreck the Citadel.

And it never gets implied Shepard controls the geth, too. I mean, if you want to headcanon it that way, carry on... It does, however, kill Shepard. Emphatically. And takes the most time to do that out of the lot of the endings.

[wright1978]

Destroy is the best of a decidedly bad bunch of endings.

[ZIPO396]

Well as Shepard survives as he needs his synthetic bits and bobs it's possible to assume the Geth do as well. I'm just trying to figure out how you set up a wave to turn off synthetic stuff but not break all technology.

[M920CAIN]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Oh shut the **** up. I picked control and even that made me want to punch you for that post.

Calm yourself, young grasshopper.

Nope, 2nd post nailed it gud for m.e

[Hadeedak]

ZIPO396 wrote...

Well as Shepard survives as he needs his synthetic bits and bobs it's possible to assume the Geth do as well. I'm just trying to figure out how you set up a wave to turn off synthetic stuff but not break all technology.

Destroy is the only one where the kid lets you assume for ONE moment Shepard would live. And his implying you'll die is pretty weak. "Even you are partially synthetic."

Well, whether or not Shepard's implants blow up, if you assume Our Friend The Catalyst is telling the truth, the geth die. Period. End of story. If he's not, what little we understand about the ending goes out the window and we're back at "Stuff Happened and We Kind of Won Yay SHEPARD!"