Considering the fact that I feel Destroy is the only true option here, I think it'd be pretty great if Shepard---straight-faced, groaning in pain, and delivered in the most un-campy way possible---emphatically stated: "I refuse to let anyone assume direct control of us".
Instead of "I don't know", what do you think Shepard's last ingame words should be?
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#152
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 10:35
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The Angry One wrote...
The Catalyst says synthesis is the final evolution of life.
The Catalyst is the leader of the Reapers.
Synthesis is a reaper ideal.
Association Fallacy.
How is it affecting them? Oh it changed their lights! Whoopdeedoo! That says nothing.
If it didn't do anything to them, why then have the artistic cue?
By your logic, Project Overlord didn't do anything to the Geth either. It changed their lights! Whoopdeedoo!
#153
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 10:36
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Optimystic_X wrote...
Association Fallacy.
Dude. The Catalyst is ACTIVELY PROMOTING SYNTHESIS.
That is not association fallacy.
If it didn't do anything to them, why then have the artistic cue?
To demonstrate that all life is now uniform. All are one with the Reapers.
One with the Reapers. BioWare's phrasing. Not mine.
By your logic, Project Overlord didn't do anything to the Geth either. It changed their lights! Whoopdeedoo!
We saw Overlord affect the Geth. We did not see synthesis "change" the Reapers.
Why would they change anyway? Synthesis vindicates their philosophy completely.
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#154
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 10:42
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The Angry One wrote...
Dude. The Catalyst is ACTIVELY PROMOTING SYNTHESIS.
That is not association fallacy.
It is not association fallacy to say that the Catalyst supports Synthesis.
It IS association fallacy to say that Synthesis is bad because the Catalyst supports it.
The Angry One wrote...
To demonstrate that all life is now uniform. All are one with the Reapers.
One with the Reapers. BioWare's phrasing. Not mine.
Life is clearly not uniform, as all the forms of life we see in Synthesis are still distinct.
The Angry One wrote...
We saw Overlord affect the Geth. We did not see synthesis "change" the Reapers.
They stopped attacking and left, without Shepard making them, while they clearly had the upper hand. How is that not a change?
The Angry One wrote...
Why would they change anyway? Synthesis vindicates their philosophy completely.
Ieldra has some very nice theories on that, have you read her threads?
#156
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 10:45
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#157
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 10:46
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#159
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 10:52
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Optimystic_X wrote...
It is not association fallacy to say that the Catalyst supports Synthesis.
It IS association fallacy to say that Synthesis is bad because the Catalyst supports it.
Actually I didn't say synthesis is bad here. I think synthesis is bad for various reasons.
I'm only pointing out that this is submission to the Catalyst's and the Reapers ideal. Whether you think that ideal is good or not in this form is up to you, but it *is* their ideal.
Life is clearly not uniform, as all the forms of life we see in Synthesis are still distinct.
Okay look even BioWare are saying there's now one "life". Variations exist, but all follow the same template in the image of the Reapers.
They stopped attacking and left, without Shepard making them, while they clearly had the upper hand. How is that not a change?
They stopped attacking because Reaper shall not kill Reaper.
Specifically, their targets are organics. Hybrids are not viable targets. It's that simple.
Ieldra has some very nice theories on that, have you read her threads?
I've seen a few theories. Some are good, some aren't. But it's all speculation. I'm just applying Occam's Razor to this.
#161
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 10:56
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#162
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 10:59
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At 4:00 "We'll take our chances" (as far as what's ingame goes, imo the best last words..)
#163
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 11:00
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The Angry One wrote...
Actually I didn't say synthesis is bad here. I think synthesis is bad for various reasons.
I'm only pointing out that this is submission to the Catalyst's and the Reapers ideal. Whether you think that ideal is good or not in this form is up to you, but it *is* their ideal.
There's a difference between submitting to someone and merely agreeing with them.
Saren wanted Synthesis under Reaper control; Shepard does not.
The Angry One wrote...
Okay look even BioWare are saying there's now one "life". Variations exist, but all follow the same template in the image of the Reapers.
Link to this statement?
The Angry One wrote...
They stopped attacking because Reaper shall not kill Reaper.
Specifically, their targets are organics. Hybrids are not viable targets. It's that simple.
That only explains why they stopped shooting, not why they left. If we submitted to them and they haven't changed, why didn't they stay to shepherd us in our new "Reaper enlightenment?"
Until I know more, I'm going to go with Ieldra's interpretation on this - that they are slaves of the Catalyst (being "his solution," despite being "each a nation" of "billions of organic minds" ) and that Synthesis is actually setting them free.
The Angry One wrote...
I've seen a few theories. Some are good, some aren't. But it's all speculation. I'm just applying Occam's Razor to this.
Your "razor" involves opening our own veins out of grimdark. I don't subscribe to it and never will.
#164
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 11:03
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I´ll throw you out of airlock, CATALYST!!!
#165
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 11:09
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#166
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 11:11
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"I will not... be... indoctrinated, Casey..." and then Shepard shoots himself in the head, just like Saren and TIM.
#168
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 11:14
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Or this happens when the Star Child tries to talk over you: www.youtube.com/watch
In this case: Shepard is The Rock and Kevin Kelly is the StarChild....Works perfectly!
In this case: Shepard is The Rock and Kevin Kelly is the StarChild....Works perfectly!
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#171
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 11:19
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Fingertrip wrote...
"I just wanted to bang you".
I'll come back when you're feeling better.
We'll bang ok?
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#173
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 11:35
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Optimystic_X wrote...
There's a difference between submitting to someone and merely agreeing with them.
Saren wanted Synthesis under Reaper control; Shepard does not.
What Shepard wants? 5 minutes ago Shepard didn't even know what synthesis was.
That's not long enough to make a valid opinion on a galaxy changing event. Shepard is swallowing the Catalyst's claims wholesale if they pick synthesis, thus it is submission. It's submission because Shepard isn't making an informed choice.
Link to this statement?
Twas a twitter post by Gamble which I can't currently dig up.
I hate twitter.
That only explains why they stopped shooting, not why they left. If we submitted to them and they haven't changed, why didn't they stay to shepherd us in our new "Reaper enlightenment?"
Because they don't care? They'll probably be off to terrorise Andromeda or something.
Actually we don't even know they leave. All we see is that they quit the battle.
Until I know more, I'm going to go with Ieldra's interpretation on this - that they are slaves of the Catalyst (being "his solution," despite being "each a nation" of "billions of organic minds" ) and that Synthesis is actually setting them free.
You can do so, but that's pure conjecture.
Your "razor" involves opening our own veins out of grimdark. I don't subscribe to it and never will.
If you say so. I'm not even arguing the darker points of synthesis here. Just pointing out that Shepard is placing their total trust in the leader of the Reapers for no reason. That is basically submission, Shepard is not gaining anything out of the Catalyst, the Catalyst is stating "this is so, now do this", and Shepard does so.
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#174
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 11:38
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#175
Posté 09 mai 2012 - 11:40
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I'm gonna go with 'steak.
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