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What do you believe is supposed to be "Canon"


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Here me out - Bioware does an excellent job in Dragon Age in catering to your choices, but when they had a main lead in mind, i doubt anyone was thinking about some bearded lesbian rogue dwarf.  Just my opinion.  I've noticed Bioware has a tendency to do this in the past.  Can anyone really envision a truly evil character going through Baldur's Gate, burning all bridges with people who have helped him out?  Does it really make sense that a dwarf beserker be raised in Candlekeep?  That's for another topic, but I do believe BG series do have intended choices ( Your character a male mage or sorcerer, romancing Jaheria, with Minsc, Imoen, and Sarevok in your party).
 

Here are the choices I believe which are intended for Dragon Age

Male - Sorry ladies.  I only say this because the characteristics of the main lead have a tendency to be the same as the typical person playing it (18-34 years old male).  I do see a lot of ladies on these forums, but overall with the exception of maybe KOTOR 2 I've noticed the structure of the game favors a male lead.

Human - See above.  People identify with humans moreso than they do with races which don't exist in our world.

Fighter - All of the other Gray Wardens were melee fighters.  Duncan, Allistar, Rioridan.  When people think Wardne, they don't envision a mage with special powers.  Also the trailer videos all had the main lead as a sword and shield fighter

Noble - As a human fighter the only option you can choose as an origin story is Noble.  Characters like Arl Howe have a far more significant impact in the main plot line then, let's say, Shianni from the alienage.  The other origin stories may have implications when you visit their towns again, but none are as relevant to the central plot line as the human noble one is.

White - Not being racist here (I'm asian), but all your relatives are white.  That's a dead give away.



Circle of Magi and generally doing good - Although you can go through the entire game being a ******, pissing off a lot of people, and generally doing bad things I still believe in general, main leads have a tendency to do good.  More likely than not, they'll save a cat from a burning house rather than tell the old lady who lives there "Just buy a new one!".  The mages were meant to be spared.  In both the elf and dwarf city the major choices you have to make towards the end are a bit more ambigious when it comes from a moral standpoint, so I don't know if there's any intended choice there.  You're more likely to save 20 people by risking 30 others and succeed just because when it comes to heros, they have a tendency to succeed, be badass, and not use cold logical cost benefit analysis when making decisions.

Allistar is king - Stories of a lost king seem to be common in Western RPG type roles.  Why concentrate on this part so much just to throw it all away?  In an ironic way, I believe Allistar's reluctance towards becoming a ruler actually foreshadows the fact he should become king.  Whether or not he rules with Anora I don't know.

Loghain - Dead.  He was built up as one of the main villians throughout the game, did some very questionable things, and I still think Allistar was meant to rule.  Since you can't have both Allistar and Loghain in the same

Morrigan - Morrigan was meant to be romanced as the main character I believe was intended to be male.  Leilana doesn't play as central of a role.  Morrigan, along with Allistar are supposed to be your two main party companions.  The choices they were meant to choose are the choices which are most likely Canon.

Dark Ritual - I believe your character was meant to get it on with Morrigan towards the end and create her god baby.  Sacrificing yourself may be the noble thing to do, but this is too big of an offer just to ignore.  It opens up plot lines for Dragon Age sequels which is I think what Bioware was planning to do. 


Ending - Your character chooses to search for Morrigan.  It isn't over yet.

Modifié par fanman72, 09 décembre 2009 - 12:01 .


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PsychoMunkys

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yes but if they just take the mass effect 2/(dot hack) route and take al your choise and transfer it to the next game it realy doesn't matter



but if not i think your spot on,(finding the god child and morrigan could be realy intresting)

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I really don't think you will be finding the "God Child" I think the next game you will be born as the god child. Thus changing and customizing your char that way. Much like fallout 3.

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I am deeply deeply disappointed to have to agree with you, but as a female player (who absolutely enjoyed every minute up till the offer from Morrigan) I also got a feeling from the game that I had chosen the wrong path from the very start, and was given an emotionally empty end sequence as punishment. 
I replayed in order to get the self sacrifice ending which at least had a better epilogue, but I still can't help but feel from everything I heard from other posters online that the Morrigan romance ending was the one paid the most attention, and certainly has the most interesting future repercussions.

That said - I sincerely doubt that BioWare would make any one ending cannon that would invalidate all the other possibilities.  It would simply anger too many fans.  Would you really want to play a sequel that says your first game meant nothing?  I'm not sure I would.

If we're going to pick just one, I'll go with hero refuses Morrigan, dies to kill the archdeamon, Loghain lives, Anora gets the throne, and Alistair a sodding drunk off somewhere moaning about missed opportunities.  That ought to ****** off the most people.

:lol:

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The Angry One

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I've noticed the structure of the game favors a male lead.




You're an idiot.

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Nah, all the decisions happened in different timestreams, separate yet simultaneous.

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The Angry One

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The more I read the OP the more I laugh. Morrigan was "intended" to be romanced by the PC was she?



It's funny then how Alistair's romance is so much better written than the shallow egotistical claptrap that is the Morrigan romance.. if you can even call it that.

I bet this guy has played through once, with one character and determined that this shall be canon. It's people like him that created the whole KotOR canon disaster.

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CronoDragoon

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And it's people like you that make the internet a cesspool. Quit it with the insults; it makes you sound like an immature child.

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The Angry One

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CronoDragoon wrote...

And it's people like you that make the internet a cesspool. Quit it with the insults; it makes you sound like an immature child.


Ah yes, no point but a mindless complaint about my demenour.
Suck it up. If you say something stupid, I'll damn well say so. If you can't handle that well then, who's really immature?

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Yeah the internet was great till you and your frinds showed up!

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The Angry One

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scrimex wrote...

Yeah the internet was great till you and your frinds showed up!


The internet is mine now, mine. MINE.

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I have been thinking the exact same thing as the OP about canon. I do however think that they haven't ruled out a female PC, since it will basically have the same effects on the world and the continuation of the story.

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LdyShayna

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I don't believe any particular Warden was intended to be canon. I suspect that the Old God baby will be born in some way, but whether it was the PC Warden, Alistair, or some other method is unlikely to be specified in future games, IMO.




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The Angry One

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The whole devil-child thing gives me a headache, and I really wish that wouldn't be canon.

But I know it will be.

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Darth_Trethon

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LdyShayna wrote...

I don't believe any particular Warden was intended to be canon. I suspect that the Old God baby will be born in some way, but whether it was the PC Warden, Alistair, or some other method is unlikely to be specified in future games, IMO.


I think the choices will be taken into account one way or another....either by reaidng saves a la ME2 style or by asking the player at the start of the next game....a la KotOR II style(yes, yes I know it wasn't made by BioWare but they can use the system to transfer choices).

As for canon....there is no canon....BioWare doesn't work that way. Our choices will likely be taken into account and the sequel will go from there.

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The Angry One

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I remember reading that the KotOR2 style choices were done on approval by BioWare or something like that.

In any case Obsidian and BioWare were close, at least on that game... why do you think both KotOR2 and Mass Effect have a large central quest hub space station called Citadel?

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Varenus Luckmann

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Can't we use one of the previous gazillion threads for this? I hate repeating myself.

I hope to god that the clichéd god-child nonsense doesn't make it, if there's any canon whatsoever.

Modifié par Varenus Luckmann, 09 décembre 2009 - 01:01 .


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My guess is if they take stuff from the end of DA:O and use it in a sequel/expansion then it'll probably use your little "note cards" so to speak to build a sort of background codex for the sequel/expansion. Anyways, I don't think a "canon" ending exists in this game cause there are so many different choices (who lives/dies, is there a god child, etc.). As for playing a male character being canon... I'd shoot that with a cannon. Maybe only Daveth and Jory would think that considering they're "surprised" if the PC is female, but then again, they die.

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Well, them and Murdock. "I didn't think they made WOMEN Grey Wardens.."

Yeah well I didn't think my fist could penetrate that gigantic mustache of yours either but that's life!

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CronoDragoon, The Angry One although the 2 of you might disagree to the latter I would say just because someone calls you a silly name doesn't mean you are what they call you, to the former I would say that your silly name makes you what you are....... a dope.

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I think that too few games have a female lead. It is usually if an RPG choice If action/shooter Male. It is a bit odd considering they can do anything a man can do...but with breasts.

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The Angry One

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Men have breasts, they're just a lot smaller and not as pretty.

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The Angry One wrote...

Men have breasts, they're just a lot smaller and not as pretty.

Post of the day!:lol:

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ChickenDownUnder

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While the desire to get together with The Angry One and create an army of cynical, opinionated posters is strong, past gaming experience makes me want to agree more with the fanman. Though truth be told, I want to be wrong.

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Fanman and his son fanboy are lovely people but cleaning cesspools is work they shouldn't attempt to be carrying out.