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[Archonsg]

I feel that there are simply too many choices, possibilities not to mention at the different "Origins" part of Dragon age : Origins for Bioware to simply choose one origin story as canon and not make at least the other 75% of DA:O fans (you know..the people who will be buying DA:2 and future DLCs) ticked off and perhaps not buy the game at all.

If the game is going to have any cannon of any sort, which I suspect they will since it *is* the easiest thing to do, though, I personally would prefer the Mass Effect approach where our Origins choices carry over if Bioware can pull it off, but IF the do make a cannon version, they'd stick to things that cannot be changed from the story point of view.

Namely, Anora surived, Morrigan has a child, the wardens have a Keep on the Amaranthine lands and that while the blight itself is defeated, large bands of darkspawn still roam the lands. Not to mention what was included in the codex entries. These stuff that are static no matter which origin you play so in my opinion if there was to be a cannon they'll refer to our hero or heroine as the case might be as simply the "Grey Warden", mention Alistair by name and remain vague as to how or when either died. The cannon will lever on the fact that any grey warden has only about 30 years to live so that'll probably put the new game 40-50 years after DA:O's events and thus you'll be able to start anew with a new character and not have to worry about all the Origin details.
Starting point of the game would most logically be the Amaranthine Fort of the Wardens.

Just my opinon.

Modifié par Archonsg, 09 décembre 2009 - 03:05 .

[LordIxliam]

Just look at how Dragonlance developed into its own IP, that may be the path they are taking - least it appears that way to me. Have an initial buy-in with the game, then market the novels, pen/paper rpg, shirts/swords/merchandise, books, DLC's, etc. I kinda like they way they have portrayed the lore, as for now you only receive, for the most part, the Chanty's version of events. Flemeth being who she is, probably knows more than anyone the history of things, and in the same token I believe Morrigan does as well.



One option I've thought myself is that this Archdemon is the Old God that Flemeth and Morrigan follow. Perhaps it is who taught Flemeth much of her magic. My theory is that at some point this Old God was able to speak to Flemeth and warn her to save it using the ritual once it became an Archdemon. That would free it to come back into the world after being imprisoned my the Maker (whoever/whatever that is). Since Morrigan tells the players that this will free all the Grey Warden's, perhaps the Old God can release the other two Old God's before they get turned into Archdemons - thus creating a new story and a permanent end to any blights. Might even provide a true "cure" to all the Grey Warden's from their eventual death due to the taint.



So, what you may have happen is now a conflict between the Chantry religion and the Old God religion, which would provide plenty of backdrop for all kinds of new material for the IP. This idea about what the real purpose of the ritual makes the most sense to me. Maybe Flemeth anted it for her own ends, whereas Morrigan wants to bring the Old Gods back into the world, and this is the way to do it. Dragonlance did much the same thing with its false seeker religion and the return of the true gods, and the crazy spinoff later on of the one god and eventual return of the true gods.

[EricHVela]

The canon ending is:

The PC rose from destitute Elvish living to the rank of General of the Denerim army and Mentor to the Grey Wardens. They are allowed Arl Howe's lands for their stronghold. Alistair and Anora marry. They rule peacefully and with popularity. Morrigan carries the PC's child and wanders west past the montains. The PC also stays in Denerim as the King's advisor. Leliana returns to Orlais after Marjolaine's death. Wynne goes with Shale to Tevinter in an attempt to rediscover Shale's mortality. Zevran goes off and wanders. Sten returns home with his honor intact. Oghren marries Felsi and stays within the King's court causing scandal after scandal. ([Dog] lives out his days as a friendly fixture in the palace until his taint overcomes him and he dies.) The dwarves' King Bhelen rules with an iron fist and drags the dwarven society out of their old traditions, kicking and screaming. The dwarves are able to reclaim several nearby Thaigs from the darkspawn. They dabble in golem creation with terrible results after the loss of the Anvil. Eamon returns to Redcliffe and rebuilds, though his wife is dead and his son is taken to the Circle. The Dalish elves are given the Kolkari Wilds as additional refuge. They are able to maintain a level of peace with the Humans of the area. The Mage circle rebuilds with Irving still at the head. Lothering rebuilds. The city elves continue to isolate themselves, but the elder becomes a member of the advisory board and maintains a peace between the neighbors. Bands of darkspawn are encountered and defeated regularly at first, but in decreasing numbers over time.

Sten teaches his people how to make cookies. Many hundreds were executed in the revelry that ensued and cookies were banned. Sten was imprisoned for his crime.

Leliana finds that someone has taken over Marjolaine's businesses and Margolaine's vendettas. She finds this out when she is murdered in her home.

Oghren gets an STD, transmits it to Felsi and they both die in shame.

The Qunari invade Denerim in an attempt to destroy all cookies. The King and Queen are killed in the process. Denerim is razed to the ground.

A plague spreads through the Kolkari Wilds and the Dales, killing all flora and fauna. The Dalish that do not starve are murdered by starving Humans. Among the dead, Zevran is found.

An incident at the Circle causes the Templars to enact the Rite of Annulment. The Circle is destroyed and the Templars are decimated.

Wynne never reaches Tevinter as her enduring spirit gives out.

Shale, on her own, gets stuck in quicksand on the way to Tevinter and becomes imprisoned at the bottom of the quicksand. Only occasion deceased victims become her company as they eventually drift down to her.

Morrigan dies in childbirth. The child dies with her. A new blight develops in Orlais.

When Arl Eamon hears that his son was "annulled", he falls into a depression that eventually costs him his health and life. Redcliffe devolves into petty bickering regarding Teagan's right to rule. All out war breaks out when Teagan is assassinated during a speech. Redcliffe goes down in flames, its people scattered and destitute.

A movement forms among the Wardens and a revolt is led against the PC. The few that remain all oppose the PC. They leave him in a crow's cage and travel to Orlais.

Lothering has cake.



Seriously, I have no idea. I rather hope that Origins is but a prelude to the real series.

[Nialos]

I would think, with so many different possibilities, they would take the route Fable II did in regards to the first: Make the history a tad muddled. Chicken Chaser (I will not call him Hero, as... Chicken Chaser is just far more entertaining) was never truly elaborated on. Both sides of the coin were simply possibilities, his history lost in the annals of time. Most of the possible game choices were mentioned, with both outcomes told. It became rumor and hearsay.



And your character is given an official title, should he or she survive: The Hero of Fereldan. It's an ambiguous title, where any of the origins can be canon. That, however, works on the pretenses that you undertook the Dark Ritual. Is this going to be canon? More than likely so. Bioware seems to love their god babies.



Then again, it's all based on the amount of time that has passed. If it has only been a few years, they very well have to come up with a 'designated canon' tidbit. Or just let you keep playing as your first character. I would advise waiting to see just how far in the future the sequel takes place before debating the canon on this.

[FedericoV]

Count the number of possible endings for DA:O.

Multiply them for the number of Origins (roughly, since endings changes from origins to origins).

Add the number of important choices made about the various powergroup in Ferelden (I mean, at least those reported in the text epilogues).

Multiply to the previous number.

Add romances and the sex preferences of the charachter as possible variations.

I have not make such calculation since I'm lazy but I imagine that the possible permutations could be likely more than 500.

So, I think that everyone who do not think that there will be a canon of some sort or at least a great generalization (that at most consider the sex of the warden) are heading for a big disappointment.

For what belongs to me, I can only say that I would prefer to see Bioware putting all their efforts to bring me new material and new choices instead of loosing time to account for my past choices and those 500 hundreds possible variations.

Not to say that I think that the game would be worst if they try to please each player and each personal preference about the past game. DA:O is art and good art is not democratic .

Modifié par FedericoV, 09 décembre 2009 - 04:12 .

[Zem_]

Nialos wrote...

And your character is given an official title, should he or she survive: The Hero of Fereldan. It's an ambiguous title, where any of the origins can be canon. That, however, works on the pretenses that you undertook the Dark Ritual.

Uh.. no it doesn't.

[Nialos]

Zem_ wrote...

Nialos wrote...

And your character is given an official title, should he or she survive: The Hero of Fereldan. It's an ambiguous title, where any of the origins can be canon. That, however, works on the pretenses that you undertook the Dark Ritual.

Uh.. no it doesn't.

Hm. Really? I don't really recall getting the title otherwise.. then again, my memory is usually quite fuzzy. Still, it's a general title that can be applied to all of the origins and both sexes.

[Saurel]

The Angry One wrote...

So who cares about them; BioWare/Obsidian's intentions was for players to define their own canon.

I always wonder about this in particular when novels and such come up...Its obvious the writers have a story in mind.

Obviously with Obsidian thats less the case.

[Giltspur]

When I saw the amount of choices that carry over from Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2, it gave me hope that Bioware will be supporting more than just Dark Promise. Granted, A Dark Promise is probably my favorite ending. But it would be far cooler to see BioWare go out of their way to support as much they can. Otherwise, why create so many options in the first place?

[fanman72]

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