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[Chromie]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Everytime someone gripes about something being "breaking immersion" I want to punch a baby in the face.

Same here. Immersion is not a core quality when designing a game. It's great when developers do a goob at immersion but I don't want immersion at the sake of gameplay or story. 

Frankly when I see someone say "it breaks my immersion" I have a hard time telling it apart from "I don't like this".

[Tirigon]

Skelter192 wrote...

Same here. Immersion is not a core quality when designing a game. It's great when developers do a goob at immersion but I don't want immersion at the sake of gameplay or story.

Well lucky for you, that is not a problem - a great story with good gameplay is automatically immersive, if one of these or even both sucks, it is not.

Frankly when I see someone say "it breaks my immersion" I have a hard time telling it apart from "I don't like this".

Because, unless you are a weird person who enjoys crap, the two are pretty much the same.

Modifié par Tirigon, 09 mai 2012 - 10:05 .

[Chromie]

Tirigon wrote...


Because, unless you are a weird person who enjoys crap, the two are pretty much the same.

No they aren't and I'm not going to try and discuss.

I'll let Ralph Koster explain it a little better. 

http://www.raphkoste...rtue/#more-3942 

[Lokiwithrope]

My games would include Dragon Age: Origins, Knights of the Old Republic I, Knights of the Old Republic II, Jade Empire, Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3.

[Morroian]

Skyrim
Kotor 1
and............ DA2 

Modifié par Morroian, 09 mai 2012 - 11:05 .

[bussinrounds]

Sick of hearing the word IMMERSHUN from gamers. WTF does it even mean ?

Different ppl can get immersed in different things, so it really means nothing. Just like the word FUN.

Just ask, 'what's your favorite rpgs' and stop trying to be so cutesy with these dumb ass buzz words.

[OCD Skifer 2]

 KOTOR

[PaulSX]

I seriously do not know how to define the immersion in a game, but to me immersion means if the game can keep your interests for a long time, so I would say the most immersive role playing games I played are:
- Baldur's Gate 2 SoA/ToB
- Dragon Age Origins/Awakening
- Dungeon Siege II/Broken World

Modifié par suntzuxi, 10 mai 2012 - 01:06 .

[xHarrison23]

The Witcher 2, Mass Effect Series, Fallout 3, and Skyrim

[Kahlmulandr]

Some good ones on this list Kotor 1 &2 and both the Witcher's and ALL the Fallouts(Yes I still have all my CD's).But the one that still stands out in my memory most is a old DOS game I loved called Betrayal at Krondor. When it was released for free download I went crazy trying to get ti to run on my computer till I discovered DosBox.

[Sajji]

Dragon Age 2.

'Nuff said...

[Jozape]

CrustyBot wrote...

Immersion is weird, because it's not that well defined and is a easily spun into a buzzword, but Morrowind, Arcanum and Planescape: Torment are the most engrossing games I've played from a setting, gameworld or narrative perspective. Funnily enough, their greatest strengths are in that order.

"Just 15 more minutes" and it turns into 2 hours.

Using Wikipedia's definitions and what not, spatial immersion is the closest to what I(and I suspect most people) want in a role-playing game.

Wikipedia wrote...

Spatial immersion occurs when a player feels the simulated world is perceptually convincing. The player feels that he or she is really "there" and that a simulated world looks and feels "real".

It's not my goal to feel like I'm actually there(though maybe that is a result). But I want my character to be spatially immersed. If my character isn't spatially immersed in his/her world as much as I am spatially immersed in my world, than the role-playing experience is greatly diminished(if not shattered completely).

Of course I want the game world to make sense to me too. I don't like the continuous world design in Bethesda
games, as the game worlds are way too small to be credible to me(plus they take way too much of my time to get around). I much prefer Ultima 4/Fallout/Baldur's Gate/Planescape/Mass Effect style abstracted world exploration, even though the latter two are based on fantasy principles. I also dislike the incredibly short day/night cycles in games, but I understand why it's done from a design perspective. Still annoys me.

As a feeling, I'll go with Planescape: Torment as the most spatially immersive RPG I've ever played, but I really have to think about it.  More recently, the Fallout: New Vegas add-ons Dead Money and Old World Blues impressed me. Bomb collars were ingenius. Need more in-game justifications for party-based stuff.

EDIT: I hate how this message board always screws up the formatting of my posts beyond one or two lines.

Modifié par Jozape, 10 mai 2012 - 02:57 .

[Sajji]

Most immersive RPG ever for me was The Elder Scrolls V.

[Tirigon]

Skelter192 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...


Because, unless you are a weird person who enjoys crap, the two are pretty much the same.

No they aren't and I'm not going to try and discuss.

I'll let Ralph Koster explain it a little better. 

http://www.raphkoste...rtue/#more-3942 

I have a habit of not taking people seriously, if they post a long essay by some guy I neither know nor care about, rather than giving their own point.

[Urk]

Neverwinter Nights, hands down. NWN or NWN2 it doesn't matter. If you get a good group of players together and a good DM (or, better yet, DM team) nothing can touch it.

For SP I have to say my affections are split. It's either BG2 or DA:O.

[bussinrounds]

Wikipedia wrote...

Spatial immersion occurs when a player feels the simulated world is perceptually convincing. The player feels that he or she is really "there" and that a simulated world looks and feels "real".


You know, I always thought that's what it really meant, but then I'm seeing all these ppl using it in instances where that shouldn't apply.

If your going by that definition, then Beth's more sim like approach SHOULD be the most immersive then. 1st person view, completely open 3D seamless worlds, full on real time action combat, only control your own character.. They try and make you feel like your actually the one running around out there. Too bad it all falls apart when the action starts.

[fchopin]

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines
Final Fantasy XII
The Witcher 1
DA:O
Mass Effect 1

[Mercannis]

DA 2, I was drowning in my tears by the end of it.

[Vez04]

Mercannis wrote...

DA 2, I was drowning in my tears by the end of it.

:huh::huh::huh:

[Mercannis]

Vez04 wrote...

Mercannis wrote...

DA 2, I was drowning in my tears by the end of it.

:huh::huh::huh:

I meant every word...

[eroeru]

Tirigon wrote...

Might have been the Witcher 2, but sadly then I came to the Karyan, and the godforsaken Quicktime Event absolutely ruined the immersion and (because I had a not uncommon problem that made it nigh-impossible to fill the bar) almost the entire game for me. (On a side note, whoever thought implementing quicktime events and not even an option to turn them off was a good idea shoule be fired).

So, with that out of the question, it comes down to the Witcher 1, Dragon Age and, curiously, a little text-based hentai game I know........


And I guess VtM: Bloodlines is pretty high as well, though it cant reach Witcher's heights because it is too dated imo.

I would love to know the name of the title. 

Anyway, I agree with you on everything else.

But on another matter, anyone and everyone who thinks DA ][ or the ME series immersive are weird and d... I mean, very different from me.

[Vez04]

Mercannis wrote...

Vez04 wrote...

Mercannis wrote...

DA 2, I was drowning in my tears by the end of it.

:huh::huh::huh:

I meant every word...

Fair enough, but i disagree.

[Mercannis]

Vez04 wrote...

Mercannis wrote...

Vez04 wrote...

Mercannis wrote...

DA 2, I was drowning in my tears by the end of it.

:huh::huh::huh:

I meant every word...

Fair enough, but i disagree.

Yeah tears of frustration, disappointment ending finally with tears of joy when i uninstalled from my HD.