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[StElmo]

A lot of people don't believe IT, that's fine. I'm pretty skeptical myself.

This thread isn't about the theory itself, but the narrative genius of the concept.

If IT is not true and the ending is literal, it is "thematically revolting" as that Lit professor said, lol.

But if IT IS TRUE, it's actually extremely clever, because it plays with narrative devices in a very compelling fashion, simply put, the use of Red and Blue to trick the player in to believing which choice is "right" using preconcieved notions.

So according to IT, the left and center "blue blue/green" choices are bad (succumbing to reaper suggestions), despite having the paragon blue color.

As others have noted, this is an incredible piece of narrative creativity. It forces the audience into the role of shepard and creates a manipulative circumstance in which to trick less-savvy players into going along with the reaper suggestions.

To me, this is freaking genius. Even if you don't believe IT - I am a skeptic too - but not becasue I hate the idea, but because if true, it would be one of the greatest little narrative moves I have ever witnessed.

I guess a lot of belief in IT, is wether you believe BioWare would or could pull something that interesting off!

[crimzontearz]

arkham asylum did it before much more cleverly and without pissing people off

IF true Bioware by now should just say so and everything would be forgiven (almost)

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I would not find it clever since it means Bioware sold me a game without an actual ending. Even lying in the game with the DLC message about Shepard stopping the Reapers.

[Cyne]

Too bad it isn't true, and that the ending we got was meant to be taken as the real one. The IT would have been brilliant if bioware had intended it all along, would have brought the series full circle and filled in some major plot holes.

Modifié par Cyne, 09 mai 2012 - 12:16 .

[Naerivar]

It would have been brilliant. But the only way we fans could have been sure they made it up themselves was if they were already developing a DLC with it. If that was the case, it should be out any day, or already.

It ain't going to happen.

[Ytook]

If it is true, I think the ending is very clever, I'm almost certain the ending based dlc has been planned from the beginning and if IT is true they were probably hoping everyone would like and analyse the ending and the dlc would come out as a big and clever reveal, unfortunately they didn't realise that what is there is utter rubbish and if IT was intended then it is not hinted at clearly enough at all, do they've had to reprioritise the ending dlc and renamed it extended cut to keep all those journalists who seem to think changing an ending might lead to artistic extinction (idiots in other words). I hope beyond hope that this is the case, but it seems unlikely.

[Elyiia]

If IT were true, I feel as though they would have said something. They wouldn't have left it for a month.

[StElmo]

simfamSP wrote...

This is what I predict:

If the IT is true, then BioWare will have another ****storm on their hands. People will activley claim that BioWare are lazy and took the idea away from fans.

You can't make that argument. Because BioWare could just point to all the evidence and go "yup - we sure took it from fans with all those clues we left around - NOT"

[StElmo]

Lizardviking wrote...

I would not find it clever since it means Bioware sold me a game without an actual ending. Even lying in the game with the DLC message about Shepard stopping the Reapers.

"

he did stop the reapers, in his mind, lol.

It's no different from the false advertising we got with a literal interpretation - so the lesser of two evils is IT.

[Galifreya]

simfamSP wrote...

This is what I predict:

If the IT is true, then BioWare will have another ****storm on their hands. People will activley claim that BioWare are lazy and took the idea away from fans.

Are you kidding me? I f*cking hate this argument. IT DOESN'T MATTER. It is THEIR IP. They can do whatever the f*ck they want with whatever fan fiction they want. THEY OWN IT.

Modifié par Gallifreya, 09 mai 2012 - 12:26 .

[ZtalkerRM]

IT is the saddest thing I've seen in years.

It's hopelessly trying too fool yourselves that ME3 is still of the quality previous ME and Bioware games were. They aren't. Textures, lightning, the whole engine isn't good. ME3 is just a rushed, bad game, even without the ending. Who's fault it is doesn't matter. ME3 isn't an A+ product, just a B+, still worthy of buying.

Just accept it and wait with buying the next Bioware until neutral reviews (unlike IGN) are in.

[Kurokenshi]

Elyiia wrote...

If IT were true, I feel as though they would have said something. They wouldn't have left it for a month.

QFT

If Indoc Theory is false BioWare should say so.
BSN is a powder keg and EC is more than likely going to push it over the edge.

[Feanor_II]

I'm ITskeptical..... but yes, you have a point on that.... and I wouldn't deny that ending the same way I don't reject the current one.

[Kurokenshi]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

IT is the saddest thing I've seen in years.

It's hopelessly trying too fool yourselves that ME3 is still of the quality previous ME and Bioware games were. They aren't. Textures, lightning, the whole engine isn't good. ME3 is just a rushed, bad game, even without the ending. Who's fault it is doesn't matter. ME3 isn't an A+ product, just a B+, still worthy of buying.

Just accept it and wait with buying the next Bioware until neutral reviews (unlike IGN) are in.

How sad is it that fans would rather believe a Theory than what they actually got?

Not knocking Indoc people, I think it's awesome just not what we will be getting.

[Zeroth Angel]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

IT is the saddest thing I've seen in years.

It's hopelessly trying too fool yourselves that ME3 is still of the quality previous ME and Bioware games were. They aren't. Textures, lightning, the whole engine isn't good. ME3 is just a rushed, bad game, even without the ending. Who's fault it is doesn't matter. ME3 isn't an A+ product, just a B+, still worthy of buying.

Just accept it and wait with buying the next Bioware until neutral reviews (unlike IGN) are in.

THIS.

[lordofdogtown19]

If it's true I'll be like, "Haha nice one Bioware that was pretty cool. You got us. Don't ever pull that s*** again"

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

StElmo wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I would not find it clever since it means Bioware sold me a game without an actual ending. Even lying in the game with the DLC message about Shepard stopping the Reapers.

"

he did stop the reapers, in his mind, lol.

It's no different from the false advertising we got with a literal interpretation - so the lesser of two evils is IT.

The message is the game telling me (the player) that Shepard stopped the Reapers and became a legend, this is even enforced by the stargazer scene.

So yes, with IT Bioware lied to us.

[Bone_Mosaic]

Oh most definately, but only if it was actually in the vanilla game. If used in the EC there's no way of knowing it was BioWares intention. If it had happened that some people chose synthesis or control and showed up on the boards saying "what the funk?" whilst others said "Huh? I chose destroy, you should go back and check it out." Then brilliance would have been synonymous with Mass Effect 3.

I do secretly (not so much now that I'm posting this now!) hope that BioWare were rushed by the rEApers and hoped the fans would cry foul enough to allow an expansion on the ending.

But I find it highly unlikely. Unfortunately.

Modifié par Bone_Mosaic, 09 mai 2012 - 12:39 .

[Darth_Trethon]

simfamSP wrote...

This is what I predict:

If the IT is true, then BioWare will have another ****storm on their hands. People will activley claim that BioWare are lazy and took the idea away from fans.

Only idiots would say that because it's NOT a fan idea......the content is laid there in plain sight. TIM controlls shepard and forces him to shoot anderson but not one minute later Shepard accepts the startroll's logic that he can control the reapers because he's not under their control but TIM could not because they controlled him. The ONLY way to interpret that is that Shepard is under reaper control....if TIM who is just a tool can control Shep then so can the reapers.

[ediskrad327]

it is clever.....as a fan idea

[Elyiia]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

This is what I predict:

If the IT is true, then BioWare will have another ****storm on their hands. People will activley claim that BioWare are lazy and took the idea away from fans.

Only idiots would say that because it's NOT a fan idea......the content is laid there in plain sight. TIM controlls shepard and forces him to shoot anderson but not one minute later Shepard accepts the startroll's logic that he can control the reapers because he's not under their control but TIM could not because they controlled him. The ONLY way to interpret that is that Shepard is under reaper control....if TIM who is just a tool can control Shep then so can the reapers.

So your way is the only way to interpret a situation? This is why I dislike IT.

[Darth_Trethon]

ediskrad327 wrote...

it is clever.....as a fan idea

It's NOT a fan idea. We simply connected the dots created and laid in front of us by BioWare....in the app made by Geoff Kieghly with BioWare ME3 production material there is one piece that clearly states that they were planning a segment where the player lost control of Shepard who fell under reaper control but that it proved too difficult so they left it out.....that's where that falls appart they DIDN'T leave it out, they just never finished the ending after it.....and it's obviously all part of BioWare's original plan, though unfinished.

[dreman9999]

Elyiia wrote...

If IT were true, I feel as though they would have said something. They wouldn't have left it for a month.

So your saying if IT was true, they would give spoilers to everyone about EC?