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[dreman9999]

Yaos wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yaos wrote...

NO.
Just, no.
It wouldn't be creative nor clever.

1) incomplete game
2) invalidated closure scenes (anderson and TIM) (how stupid would it have been to see them again after such a scene.)
3) It reduces the already silly number of Starkid choices from 3 to 1.
4) It'd make any 66% people that chose the blue or green ending loose their shepard's story because "they didn't figure it out". Mass Effect is not about these kind of devices
5) "Gotya! All a dream!" scenes are not creative. They're cheap.

1.EC already shows that it is.
2.The concept is that it's a trick...
3.It would change it to 2....To be indoctrinated or not.
4....Or play the end of the game as an indoctrinated agent and having to do a Saren at the end of the game...http://www.youtube.c...pQDE0BcM#t=124s
5.No, it make the ending a "it's all a trick"...What is happening can ether be in Shepards head or a hallutionation of what Shep sees.

Come on. Stop trying so hard. You know your answers are desperate.

1. EC is adding more content to a complete game. What you should have understood is "IT implicates an incomplete storyline in ME3.
2. The trick wouldn't go into depths with the relationship you have with Anderson. You don't have a point, so stop trying.
3. Yeah, because people want to be indoctrinated. Seriously, where are you going with this ?
4. So tell me, who would want to play as a unintentionally character that have been tricked into being bad ? Especially when there's next to 0 clue of the tie between causes and consequences ? That's what I thought.
5. Lol. It's the same exact thing. 

The fact that there is in their theory support that "Red is the only good way to go, the other failed miserably and are indoctrinated" is really revelant of how you treat the non-believers. You think you are elitists of some sort. 
Well, that's not how the game work. There's no trick, no good way to go. In the end, all Shepard dies in a pile of horsecrap.

1. That still means ME3 is not finished...If it's not finish it has no ending.
2.Yes, it would. If the reaper can read you mind when your indoctrianted. They will know about everyone you know and how they act off your your memories.
3.Not want...Be tricked into it.
4.That dosen't matter. It all about how indoctrination works in the lore and in the lore...It.
 can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.
http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination
Also, their are clues...3 years wurth of on and off contact with reaper tech and the fact that through out ME3, Shepard goes throughall the symtoms of indoctriantion...
http://social.biowar...75/blog/212630/

5. Nope, not if you fall for it.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

He's good at comedies.

It's funny because millions of people get indoctrinated, but no one has ever controlled the reapers. Just by probabilty alone it sounds ridiculous.

That's funny because out of all the millions of people who get indoctrinated, none are known to have overcome it or fought it off... Unless they were hooked up to a super-plant which is now extinct. Just by probability alone it sounds ridiculous that Shepard would be able to.

Rana Thanoptis was able to resist it for years.

Shepard is only resisting it.

Nothing to imply that she was resisting indoctrination.

Maybe the reapers took their time to indoctrinate her so she could perform a lengthy task?

That's the same thing IT states is happening to Shepard.

[Gorkan86]

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

[PlumPaul93]

NoSpin wrote...

Saren was indoctrinated, but made the right choice in the end. If you chose Blue/Green, Shepard's story would continue. You would wake up and experience different dialog choices. And at the end of the game, just like Saren, it would still be possible to make the right choice.

Aah no not really, you can't "regain" control after being indoctrinated. All Shepard would be able to do is shoot himself like Saren and TIM did.

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

He's good at comedies.

It's funny because millions of people get indoctrinated, but no one has ever controlled the reapers. Just by probabilty alone it sounds ridiculous.

That's funny because out of all the millions of people who get indoctrinated, none are known to have overcome it or fought it off... Unless they were hooked up to a super-plant which is now extinct. Just by probability alone it sounds ridiculous that Shepard would be able to.

Rana Thanoptis was able to resist it for years.

Shepard is only resisting it.

Nothing to imply that she was resisting indoctrination.

Maybe the reapers took their time to indoctrinate her so she could perform a lengthy task?

She studied it in ME1, started hearing voices, distanced herself from reaper tech, then killed a bunch of Asari officials.

If that's not good enough then... TIM has been resisting it for even more years.

[balance5050]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Not breaking , resisting.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

He's good at comedies.

It's funny because millions of people get indoctrinated, but no one has ever controlled the reapers. Just by probabilty alone it sounds ridiculous.

That's funny because out of all the millions of people who get indoctrinated, none are known to have overcome it or fought it off... Unless they were hooked up to a super-plant which is now extinct. Just by probability alone it sounds ridiculous that Shepard would be able to.

Rana Thanoptis was able to resist it for years.

Shepard is only resisting it.

Nothing to imply that she was resisting indoctrination.

Maybe the reapers took their time to indoctrinate her so she could perform a lengthy task?

That's the same thing IT states is happening to Shepard.

Not really, because Rana becomes indoctrinated no matter what.

You can't fight indoctrination because you're not aware it's happening... Otherwise it wouldn't be an effective weapon because people would warn each other.

"Hey just a heads up guys, got a funny feeling i'm being indoctrinated... Just let me see if I can fend them off in my dreams, ok?"

[dreman9999]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Saren did and Benzia....Also, Shepard is not indoctrinated yet.

[FS3D]

We don't have to admit anything of the sort. The "it was all a dream or hallucination" idea has been done a lot, far better executed elsewhere, and wasn't spanned across a game that didn't get a proper ending until the EC came along (assuming this happened as the OP described).

And on the assumption that the indoctrination idea was included in the EC, and even assuming that the indoctrination idea was part of BW's plan from the start (and not picked up after fans suggested it), then their execution still left practically everything to be desired.

They could have written a far better conventional storyline ending than what they appear to have tried with a lot less backlash, still made it meaningful, without any of this nonsense about "artistic integrity".

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

He's good at comedies.

It's funny because millions of people get indoctrinated, but no one has ever controlled the reapers. Just by probabilty alone it sounds ridiculous.

That's funny because out of all the millions of people who get indoctrinated, none are known to have overcome it or fought it off... Unless they were hooked up to a super-plant which is now extinct. Just by probability alone it sounds ridiculous that Shepard would be able to.

Rana Thanoptis was able to resist it for years.

Shepard is only resisting it.

Nothing to imply that she was resisting indoctrination.

Maybe the reapers took their time to indoctrinate her so she could perform a lengthy task?

That's the same thing IT states is happening to Shepard.

Not really, because Rana becomes indoctrinated no matter what.

You can't fight indoctrination because you're not aware it's happening... Otherwise it wouldn't be an effective weapon because people would warn each other.

"Hey just a heads up guys, got a funny feeling i'm being indoctrinated... Just let me see if I can fend them off in my dreams, ok?"

Indoctrination is a thing that give time will happen eventully. It can be resisted, not stopped. If the reaper got more contactwith Shepard, it would happen faster, even if Shepard resisted. Shepard is inan example of slow indoctrination. The only difference is that Rana's process is finished alreay by the end of ME3, Shepardis still going through his...If the war was longer, he would eventully become indoctrinated even if he resists.

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

He's good at comedies.

It's funny because millions of people get indoctrinated, but no one has ever controlled the reapers. Just by probabilty alone it sounds ridiculous.

That's funny because out of all the millions of people who get indoctrinated, none are known to have overcome it or fought it off... Unless they were hooked up to a super-plant which is now extinct. Just by probability alone it sounds ridiculous that Shepard would be able to.

Rana Thanoptis was able to resist it for years.

Shepard is only resisting it.

Nothing to imply that she was resisting indoctrination.

Maybe the reapers took their time to indoctrinate her so she could perform a lengthy task?

She studied it in ME1, started hearing voices, distanced herself from reaper tech, then killed a bunch of Asari officials.

If that's not good enough then... TIM has been resisting it for even more years.

Well, by the time she knew what was happening it was obviously too late even though she distanced herself.

Proves that, even though my comment about being oblivious is wrong, you CAN'T escape indoctrination.

Under IT even if you choose destroy, it's only a matter of time.

[balance5050]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

Saren was indoctrinated, but made the right choice in the end. If you chose Blue/Green, Shepard's story would continue. You would wake up and experience different dialog choices. And at the end of the game, just like Saren, it would still be possible to make the right choice.

Aah no not really, you can't "regain" control after being indoctrinated. All Shepard would be able to do is shoot himself like Saren and TIM did.

That's why you probably WON'T regain control IF you choose control or synthesis, these are the same creeds that the reapers themself have.

Control - The reapers have been controling almost every aspect of galacitic life for a million years, they LOVE control.

Synthesis - The reapers already are a merging of flesh and technology, they think they already are the pinnacle of evolution. By agreeing with idea of that merging you are thinking like a reaper.

"Kill 'em all Shepard"

Modifié par balance5050, 09 mai 2012 - 10:43 .

[dreman9999]

FS3D wrote...

We don't have to admit anything of the sort. The "it was all a dream or hallucination" idea has been done a lot, far better executed elsewhere, and wasn't spanned across a game that didn't get a proper ending until the EC came along (assuming this happened as the OP described).

And on the assumption that the indoctrination idea was included in the EC, and even assuming that the indoctrination idea was part of BW's plan from the start (and not picked up after fans suggested it), then their execution still left practically everything to be desired.

They could have written a far better conventional storyline ending than what they appear to have tried with a lot less backlash, still made it meaningful, without any of this nonsense about "artistic integrity".

That fact that it happen with out anyone noticing shows that it was done well. The only miss step about it is that we have with wait for the rest of the results.

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

He's good at comedies.

It's funny because millions of people get indoctrinated, but no one has ever controlled the reapers. Just by probabilty alone it sounds ridiculous.

That's funny because out of all the millions of people who get indoctrinated, none are known to have overcome it or fought it off... Unless they were hooked up to a super-plant which is now extinct. Just by probability alone it sounds ridiculous that Shepard would be able to.

Rana Thanoptis was able to resist it for years.

Shepard is only resisting it.

Nothing to imply that she was resisting indoctrination.

Maybe the reapers took their time to indoctrinate her so she could perform a lengthy task?

She studied it in ME1, started hearing voices, distanced herself from reaper tech, then killed a bunch of Asari officials.

If that's not good enough then... TIM has been resisting it for even more years.

Well, by the time she knew what was happening it was obviously too late even though she distanced herself.

Proves that, even though my comment about being oblivious is wrong, you CAN'T escape indoctrination.

Under IT even if you choose destroy, it's only a matter of time.

He can resist long enough to make the final push, as shown by the Shep Alive scene.

[Lookout1390]

I would much rather there be a **** storm over who claimed the 'rights' to IT, rather than the ****storm over a terrible/lazy/rushed/poorly written ending that we got.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

He's good at comedies.

It's funny because millions of people get indoctrinated, but no one has ever controlled the reapers. Just by probabilty alone it sounds ridiculous.

That's funny because out of all the millions of people who get indoctrinated, none are known to have overcome it or fought it off... Unless they were hooked up to a super-plant which is now extinct. Just by probability alone it sounds ridiculous that Shepard would be able to.

Rana Thanoptis was able to resist it for years.

Shepard is only resisting it.

Nothing to imply that she was resisting indoctrination.

Maybe the reapers took their time to indoctrinate her so she could perform a lengthy task?

She studied it in ME1, started hearing voices, distanced herself from reaper tech, then killed a bunch of Asari officials.

If that's not good enough then... TIM has been resisting it for even more years.

Well, by the time she knew what was happening it was obviously too late even though she distanced herself.

Proves that, even though my comment about being oblivious is wrong, you CAN'T escape indoctrination.

Under IT even if you choose destroy, it's only a matter of time.

And Shepard knows he's being indoctrinated?

[eddieoctane]

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Two common misconceptions. Shepard has been brought back from the dead, had the collective racial knowledge of the entire Prothean spieces shoved into his head, and slayed more than one Reaper himself. Rather superhuman feats.

Nor is he necessarily even indoctrinated yet. IT argues that Harbigners attack was a final attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. If Shepard is as exceptional as the games imply, the case doesn't have to be the hero breakign free of indoctrination but rather not falling to the Reapers final attempt to take his mind.

[dreman9999]

eddieoctane wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Two common misconceptions. Shepard has been brought back from the dead, had the collective racial knowledge of the entire Prothean spieces shoved into his head, and slayed more than one Reaper himself. Rather superhuman feats.

Nor is he necessarily even indoctrinated yet. IT argues that Harbigners attack was a final attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. If Shepard is as exceptional as the games imply, the case doesn't have to be the hero breakign free of indoctrination but rather not falling to the Reapers final attempt to take his mind.

That doesn't mean he's super man. It just mean he's at the right place at the right time and has lots of support.

[eddieoctane]

Lookout1390 wrote...

I would much rather there be a **** storm over who claimed the 'rights' to IT, rather than the ****storm over a terrible/lazy/rushed/poorly written ending that we got.

No rights if you willingly post it on the forums. Read the ToS. You sign over rights to user-generated content when you submit it here. And since IT is a collaborative project, it would be nigh impossible for one person to claim ownership over IT.

[Gorkan86]

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Saren did and Benzia....Also, Shepard is not indoctrinated yet.

Guys from main IT thread thiks that Shepard is indoctrinated, because he see a boy in vent, for example.
So when Shepard will be indoctrinated, in your opinion?

[Zix13]

It would be, if it was the game.

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

He's good at comedies.

It's funny because millions of people get indoctrinated, but no one has ever controlled the reapers. Just by probabilty alone it sounds ridiculous.

That's funny because out of all the millions of people who get indoctrinated, none are known to have overcome it or fought it off... Unless they were hooked up to a super-plant which is now extinct. Just by probability alone it sounds ridiculous that Shepard would be able to.

Rana Thanoptis was able to resist it for years.

Shepard is only resisting it.

Nothing to imply that she was resisting indoctrination.

Maybe the reapers took their time to indoctrinate her so she could perform a lengthy task?

She studied it in ME1, started hearing voices, distanced herself from reaper tech, then killed a bunch of Asari officials.

If that's not good enough then... TIM has been resisting it for even more years.

Well, by the time she knew what was happening it was obviously too late even though she distanced herself.

Proves that, even though my comment about being oblivious is wrong, you CAN'T escape indoctrination.

Under IT even if you choose destroy, it's only a matter of time.

He can resist long enough to make the final push, as shown by the Shep Alive scene.

That scene shows nothing of the sort... And is no better than my control headcanon you dismissed.

It shows that Shepard is still alive, and gives no indication as to his current score on the indoctrin-o-meter, OR how long it would be before the reapers strike for round 2, or if he is able capable of movement at that point.

Theres also that lovely part where Harbinger is still standing right there... I don't fancy Sheps chances for this final push if i'm honest...

[eddieoctane]

dreman9999 wrote...

That doesn't mean he's super man. It just mean he's at the right place at the right time and has lots of support.

Well, tehnically, Superman isn't superman if he's not on Earth. Sol is the source of his powers. On a different planet, Kal'El is just a nerdy reporter.

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

He can resist long enough to make the final push, as shown by the Shep Alive scene.

That scene shows nothing of the sort... And is no better than my control headcanon you dismissed.

It shows that Shepard is still alive, and gives no indication as to his current score on the indoctrin-o-meter, OR how long it would be before the reapers strike for round 2, or if he is able capable of movement at that point.

Theres also that lovely part where Harbinger is still standing right there... I don't fancy Sheps chances for this final push if i'm honest...

Yep, that scene is a big bowl of WTF and we all see what we want to in it, I'm just a glass half full kind of guy. Not a "you will instantly die" kind of guy.

[dreman9999]

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Saren did and Benzia....Also, Shepard is not indoctrinated yet.

Guys from main IT thread thiks that Shepard is indoctrinated, because he see a boy in vent, for example.
So when Shepard will be indoctrinated, in your opinion?

1. The theory, that everyone that support IT understands, Is that Shepardis in the processes of indoctrination.
He is indoctrianted yet, the foundation of it is built in his mind already.
2. What started his process of indoctrianted is the 3 year worth of on and off contact with reaper tech. And He has been near reaper tech since the moment he land on Eden prine in ME1. Husk and reaper agents give off indoctrination waves,too.
Andthen the prosecc contious on throughout ME3. Thevent boy hallutionation happen because of all the reapers that were in the city.