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[NoSpin]

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Saren did and Benzia....Also, Shepard is not indoctrinated yet.

Guys from main IT thread thiks that Shepard is indoctrinated, because he see a boy in vent, for example.
So when Shepard will be indoctrinated, in your opinion?

No, nobody who seriously understands IT thinks he is indoctrinated when he sees the boy in the vent. He is undergoing the slow PROCESS OF INDOCTRINATION. He is only indoctrinated if you begin to follow the reaper way of thinking aka choose control or synthesis.

[dreman9999]

eddieoctane wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

That doesn't mean he's super man. It just mean he's at the right place at the right time and has lots of support.

Well, tehnically, Superman isn't superman if he's not on Earth. Sol is the source of his powers. On a different planet, Kal'El is just a nerdy reporter.

It's not sol...It's a yellow sun that give him is power.

[Lookout1390]

eddieoctane wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

I would much rather there be a **** storm over who claimed the 'rights' to IT, rather than the ****storm over a terrible/lazy/rushed/poorly written ending that we got.

No rights if you willingly post it on the forums. Read the ToS. You sign over rights to user-generated content when you submit it here. And since IT is a collaborative project, it would be nigh impossible for one person to claim ownership over IT.

Okay

That still doesn't change the fact that I would rather see a ****storm over that, than what is going on currently.

[balance5050]

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Saren did and Benzia....Also, Shepard is not indoctrinated yet.

Guys from main IT thread thiks that Shepard is indoctrinated, because he see a boy in vent, for example.
So when Shepard will be indoctrinated, in your opinion?

Indoctrination is a slow subtle process as stated in the codex, there is no telling "when". But Shepard was trying to kill the reapers untill the end of the game, so it basically happens the second you decide to not kill the reapers.

Modifié par balance5050, 09 mai 2012 - 10:59 .

[NoSpin]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

Saren was indoctrinated, but made the right choice in the end. If you chose Blue/Green, Shepard's story would continue. You would wake up and experience different dialog choices. And at the end of the game, just like Saren, it would still be possible to make the right choice.

Aah no not really, you can't "regain" control after being indoctrinated. All Shepard would be able to do is shoot himself like Saren and TIM did.

And you don't think the last decision will be choosing who to shoot or pushing a button or something? The ability to realize you are indoctrinated and have enough willpower to make a final choice on your own terms is possible.

[balance5050]

Lookout1390 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

I would much rather there be a **** storm over who claimed the 'rights' to IT, rather than the ****storm over a terrible/lazy/rushed/poorly written ending that we got.

No rights if you willingly post it on the forums. Read the ToS. You sign over rights to user-generated content when you submit it here. And since IT is a collaborative project, it would be nigh impossible for one person to claim ownership over IT.

Okay

That still doesn't change the fact that I would rather see a ****storm over that, than what is going on currently.

Sounds f***ing boring to me.

[balance5050]

dreman9999 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

That doesn't mean he's super man. It just mean he's at the right place at the right time and has lots of support.

Well, tehnically, Superman isn't superman if he's not on Earth. Sol is the source of his powers. On a different planet, Kal'El is just a nerdy reporter.

It's not sol...It's a yellow sun that give him is power.

Ouch! Sol is the name of our sun.

[Gorkan86]

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Saren did and Benzia....Also, Shepard is not indoctrinated yet.

Guys from main IT thread thiks that Shepard is indoctrinated, because he see a boy in vent, for example.
So when Shepard will be indoctrinated, in your opinion?

1. The theory, that everyone that support IT understands, Is that Shepardis in the processes of indoctrination.
He is indoctrianted yet, the foundation of it is built in his mind already.
2. What started his process of indoctrianted is the 3 year worth of on and off contact with reaper tech. And He has been near reaper tech since the moment he land on Eden prine in ME1. Husk and reaper agents give off indoctrination waves,too.
Andthen the prosecc contious on throughout ME3. Thevent boy hallutionation happen because of all the reapers that were in the city.

1. Ok, i got the point.
2. Shepard was dead for 2 years. This is considered?

[NoSpin]

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Saren did and Benzia....Also, Shepard is not indoctrinated yet.

Guys from main IT thread thiks that Shepard is indoctrinated, because he see a boy in vent, for example.
So when Shepard will be indoctrinated, in your opinion?

1. The theory, that everyone that support IT understands, Is that Shepardis in the processes of indoctrination.
He is indoctrianted yet, the foundation of it is built in his mind already.
2. What started his process of indoctrianted is the 3 year worth of on and off contact with reaper tech. And He has been near reaper tech since the moment he land on Eden prine in ME1. Husk and reaper agents give off indoctrination waves,too.
Andthen the prosecc contious on throughout ME3. Thevent boy hallutionation happen because of all the reapers that were in the city.

1. Ok, i got the point.
2. Shepard was dead for 2 years. This is considered?

2. Yes.

[dreman9999]

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Saren did and Benzia....Also, Shepard is not indoctrinated yet.

Guys from main IT thread thiks that Shepard is indoctrinated, because he see a boy in vent, for example.
So when Shepard will be indoctrinated, in your opinion?

1. The theory, that everyone that support IT understands, Is that Shepardis in the processes of indoctrination.
He is indoctrianted yet, the foundation of it is built in his mind already.
2. What started his process of indoctrianted is the 3 year worth of on and off contact with reaper tech. And He has been near reaper tech since the moment he land on Eden prine in ME1. Husk and reaper agents give off indoctrination waves,too.
Andthen the prosecc contious on throughout ME3. Thevent boy hallutionation happen because of all the reapers that were in the city.

1. Ok, i got the point.
2. Shepard was dead for 2 years. This is considered?

2. What was the tech used to bring him back?

[hoodaticus]

Gallifreya wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

This is what I predict:

If the IT is true, then BioWare will have another ****storm on their hands. People will activley claim that BioWare are lazy and took the idea away from fans.

Are you kidding me? I f*cking hate this argument. IT DOESN'T MATTER. It is THEIR IP. They can do whatever the f*ck they want with whatever fan fiction they want. THEY OWN IT.

You don't know much about the history of IP do you?  It's intended to be a short-term monopoly before it becomes PUBLIC DOMAIN.  That monopoly right exists solely for the purpose of promoting the arts and sciences.

At natural law, no one can own a story.  They can only own the media upon which it is printed.

[Gorkan86]

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Saren did and Benzia....Also, Shepard is not indoctrinated yet.

Guys from main IT thread thiks that Shepard is indoctrinated, because he see a boy in vent, for example.
So when Shepard will be indoctrinated, in your opinion?

1. The theory, that everyone that support IT understands, Is that Shepardis in the processes of indoctrination.
He is indoctrianted yet, the foundation of it is built in his mind already.
2. What started his process of indoctrianted is the 3 year worth of on and off contact with reaper tech. And He has been near reaper tech since the moment he land on Eden prine in ME1. Husk and reaper agents give off indoctrination waves,too.
Andthen the prosecc contious on throughout ME3. Thevent boy hallutionation happen because of all the reapers that were in the city.

1. Ok, i got the point.
2. Shepard was dead for 2 years. This is considered?

2. What was the tech used to bring him back?

Medical tech.

[jijeebo]

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Saren did and Benzia....Also, Shepard is not indoctrinated yet.

Guys from main IT thread thiks that Shepard is indoctrinated, because he see a boy in vent, for example.
So when Shepard will be indoctrinated, in your opinion?

1. The theory, that everyone that support IT understands, Is that Shepardis in the processes of indoctrination.
He is indoctrianted yet, the foundation of it is built in his mind already.
2. What started his process of indoctrianted is the 3 year worth of on and off contact with reaper tech. And He has been near reaper tech since the moment he land on Eden prine in ME1. Husk and reaper agents give off indoctrination waves,too.
Andthen the prosecc contious on throughout ME3. Thevent boy hallutionation happen because of all the reapers that were in the city.

1. Ok, i got the point.
2. Shepard was dead for 2 years. This is considered?

2. What was the tech used to bring him back?

Medical tech.

Don't be absurd, they obviously salvaged one of Sovereigns claws and just stuck Sheps brain onto the side of it.

[Gorkan86]

jijeebo wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gorkan86 wrote...

Shepard not a superman, he can't break indoctrination.

Saren did and Benzia....Also, Shepard is not indoctrinated yet.

Guys from main IT thread thiks that Shepard is indoctrinated, because he see a boy in vent, for example.
So when Shepard will be indoctrinated, in your opinion?

1. The theory, that everyone that support IT understands, Is that Shepardis in the processes of indoctrination.
He is indoctrianted yet, the foundation of it is built in his mind already.
2. What started his process of indoctrianted is the 3 year worth of on and off contact with reaper tech. And He has been near reaper tech since the moment he land on Eden prine in ME1. Husk and reaper agents give off indoctrination waves,too.
Andthen the prosecc contious on throughout ME3. Thevent boy hallutionation happen because of all the reapers that were in the city.

1. Ok, i got the point.
2. Shepard was dead for 2 years. This is considered?

2. What was the tech used to bring him back?

Medical tech.

Don't be absurd, they obviously salvaged one of Sovereigns claws and just stuck Sheps brain onto the side of it.

Damn! I knew it!

[Lookout1390]

balance5050 wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

I would much rather there be a **** storm over who claimed the 'rights' to IT, rather than the ****storm over a terrible/lazy/rushed/poorly written ending that we got.

No rights if you willingly post it on the forums. Read the ToS. You sign over rights to user-generated content when you submit it here. And since IT is a collaborative project, it would be nigh impossible for one person to claim ownership over IT.

Okay

That still doesn't change the fact that I would rather see a ****storm over that, than what is going on currently.

Sounds f***ing boring to me.

It was never a matter of excitement, I have yet to meet a person here who is 'excited' over this whole mess.

[hoodaticus]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...the ones where they don't die?

But are made peaceful and help rebuild the galaxy?

Yes, great idea.  Even dead reapers indoctrinate everyone around them, so by all means have them rebuild all your worlds.

You probably also believed Morinth when she said that Ardat Yakshi are the genetic destiny of the Asari.

[balance5050]

Lookout1390 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

I would much rather there be a **** storm over who claimed the 'rights' to IT, rather than the ****storm over a terrible/lazy/rushed/poorly written ending that we got.

No rights if you willingly post it on the forums. Read the ToS. You sign over rights to user-generated content when you submit it here. And since IT is a collaborative project, it would be nigh impossible for one person to claim ownership over IT.

Okay

That still doesn't change the fact that I would rather see a ****storm over that, than what is going on currently.

Sounds f***ing boring to me.

It was never a matter of excitement, I have yet to meet a person here who is 'excited' over this whole mess.

Consider me your first. I love speculation personally.

[irishScott3]

If true, it means the fans are better writers than the professionals.

This does not bode well for future Bioware games.

[bennyjammin79]

If true, it's brilliant... but more should've been done in game to clarify IT.

If not it's not true, congrats on the mess y'all made out of the ending.

[Lookout1390]

balance5050 wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

I would much rather there be a **** storm over who claimed the 'rights' to IT, rather than the ****storm over a terrible/lazy/rushed/poorly written ending that we got.

No rights if you willingly post it on the forums. Read the ToS. You sign over rights to user-generated content when you submit it here. And since IT is a collaborative project, it would be nigh impossible for one person to claim ownership over IT.

Okay

That still doesn't change the fact that I would rather see a ****storm over that, than what is going on currently.

Sounds f***ing boring to me.

It was never a matter of excitement, I have yet to meet a person here who is 'excited' over this whole mess.

Consider me your first. I love speculation personally.

Uh huh, right. 

Anyways...


I don't care who owns the IT, nor will I ever care. Just make it happen, rather than the same **** they've already given us.

[eddieoctane]

dreman9999 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

That doesn't mean he's super man. It just mean he's at the right place at the right time and has lots of support.

Well, tehnically, Superman isn't superman if he's not on Earth. Sol is the source of his powers. On a different planet, Kal'El is just a nerdy reporter.

It's not sol...It's a yellow sun that give him is power.

Still, on a different world Supe is powerless. Circumstances made him somethign mroe than ordinary. Same applies to most heroes.

[balance5050]

Lookout1390 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Consider me your first. I love speculation personally.

Uh huh, right. 

Anyways...


I don't care who owns the IT, nor will I ever care. Just make it happen, rather than the same **** they've already given us.

I'll agree with you there good buddy.

[thefallen2far]

It's not creative, it would be brilliant. It would literally be the greatest evidence of audience imersion of the story, ever, in any medium. All the praise to Hideo Kojima would pale in comparisson to what Mass Effect would have effectually done. Will people hate it or feel cheated? Yes. That's another subject of debate and perception. The actual implementation, though, would introduce a wole new area of defining the genre of videogames in a way that Alan Moore redefined comics or Kubrick redefined film. It would be evience of true interactive media.  Which is why I don't believe it was their intention.

Everyone who reacts badly to the introduction of IT, is the exact reaction already given for the ending. Only now, it's just a crap ending that's vapid, forgetable and pointless.

Modifié par thefallen2far, 10 mai 2012 - 12:23 .

[Yaos]

dreman9999 wrote...

Yaos wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yaos wrote...

NO.
Just, no.
It wouldn't be creative nor clever.

1) incomplete game
2) invalidated closure scenes (anderson and TIM) (how stupid would it have been to see them again after such a scene.)
3) It reduces the already silly number of Starkid choices from 3 to 1.
4) It'd make any 66% people that chose the blue or green ending loose their shepard's story because "they didn't figure it out". Mass Effect is not about these kind of devices
5) "Gotya! All a dream!" scenes are not creative. They're cheap.

1.EC already shows that it is.
2.The concept is that it's a trick...
3.It would change it to 2....To be indoctrinated or not.
4....Or play the end of the game as an indoctrinated agent and having to do a Saren at the end of the game...http://www.youtube.c...pQDE0BcM#t=124s
5.No, it make the ending a "it's all a trick"...What is happening can ether be in Shepards head or a hallutionation of what Shep sees.

Come on. Stop trying so hard. You know your answers are desperate.

1. EC is adding more content to a complete game. What you should have understood is "IT implicates an incomplete storyline in ME3.
2. The trick wouldn't go into depths with the relationship you have with Anderson. You don't have a point, so stop trying.
3. Yeah, because people want to be indoctrinated. Seriously, where are you going with this ?
4. So tell me, who would want to play as a unintentionally character that have been tricked into being bad ? Especially when there's next to 0 clue of the tie between causes and consequences ? That's what I thought.
5. Lol. It's the same exact thing. 

The fact that there is in their theory support that "Red is the only good way to go, the other failed miserably and are indoctrinated" is really revelant of how you treat the non-believers. You think you are elitists of some sort. 
Well, that's not how the game work. There's no trick, no good way to go. In the end, all Shepard dies in a pile of horsecrap.

1. That still means ME3 is not finished...If it's not finish it has no ending.
2.Yes, it would. If the reaper can read you mind when your indoctrianted. They will know about everyone you know and how they act off your your memories.
3.Not want...Be tricked into it.
4.That dosen't matter. It all about how indoctrination works in the lore and in the lore...It.
 can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.
http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination
Also, their are clues...3 years wurth of on and off contact with reaper tech and the fact that through out ME3, Shepard goes throughall the symtoms of indoctriantion...
http://social.biowar...75/blog/212630/

5. Nope, not if you fall for it.

I'll stop trying.
Story-wise, Lore-wise, everything you say has no value whatsoever.
It's like talking to a wall...

[dreman9999]

Yaos wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yaos wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yaos wrote...

NO.
Just, no.
It wouldn't be creative nor clever.

1) incomplete game
2) invalidated closure scenes (anderson and TIM) (how stupid would it have been to see them again after such a scene.)
3) It reduces the already silly number of Starkid choices from 3 to 1.
4) It'd make any 66% people that chose the blue or green ending loose their shepard's story because "they didn't figure it out". Mass Effect is not about these kind of devices
5) "Gotya! All a dream!" scenes are not creative. They're cheap.

1.EC already shows that it is.
2.The concept is that it's a trick...
3.It would change it to 2....To be indoctrinated or not.
4....Or play the end of the game as an indoctrinated agent and having to do a Saren at the end of the game...http://www.youtube.c...pQDE0BcM#t=124s
5.No, it make the ending a "it's all a trick"...What is happening can ether be in Shepards head or a hallutionation of what Shep sees.

Come on. Stop trying so hard. You know your answers are desperate.

1. EC is adding more content to a complete game. What you should have understood is "IT implicates an incomplete storyline in ME3.
2. The trick wouldn't go into depths with the relationship you have with Anderson. You don't have a point, so stop trying.
3. Yeah, because people want to be indoctrinated. Seriously, where are you going with this ?
4. So tell me, who would want to play as a unintentionally character that have been tricked into being bad ? Especially when there's next to 0 clue of the tie between causes and consequences ? That's what I thought.
5. Lol. It's the same exact thing. 

The fact that there is in their theory support that "Red is the only good way to go, the other failed miserably and are indoctrinated" is really revelant of how you treat the non-believers. You think you are elitists of some sort. 
Well, that's not how the game work. There's no trick, no good way to go. In the end, all Shepard dies in a pile of horsecrap.

1. That still means ME3 is not finished...If it's not finish it has no ending.
2.Yes, it would. If the reaper can read you mind when your indoctrianted. They will know about everyone you know and how they act off your your memories.
3.Not want...Be tricked into it.
4.That dosen't matter. It all about how indoctrination works in the lore and in the lore...It.
 can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe.
http://masseffect.wi...#Indoctrination
Also, their are clues...3 years wurth of on and off contact with reaper tech and the fact that through out ME3, Shepard goes throughall the symtoms of indoctriantion...
http://social.biowar...75/blog/212630/

5. Nope, not if you fall for it.

I'll stop trying.
Story-wise, Lore-wise, everything you say has no value whatsoever.
It's like talking to a wall...

AKA, I can't counter what was said....No I'm just going to insult...Durrrrr.